After Trudeau's resignation, Trump doubles down on the 51st state idea.

2 years ago by Cyborganism to c/canada

Happy new year 2025...

Showroom7561 115 points 2 years ago

It was a subtle declaration of war the first time he brought it up. After repeating it a dozen more times, we really shouldn't be ignoring this as a country.

The United States under Trump is a foreign threat with hostile intentions.

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cyborganism 30 points 2 years ago

I better hit the gym and get back in shape just in case...

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hume_lemmy 1 point 2 years ago

Hit the ripper and upgrade your chrome, choom.

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Sixtyforce 1 point 2 years ago

I've been losing weight all winter so far by fasting. Built a home gym out of used stuff off locals. Next is navigating that whole gun ownership thing I ignored my whole adult life thus far, and signing up for training. My mom's friend teaches at a Canadian Tire that has a gun range.

I'm getting prepared for hard times, whatever they bring. Hopefully not the USA invades Canada scenario. We'd get rolled.

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cyborganism 3 points 2 years ago

Canadian Tires have gun ranges???

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Sixtyforce 0 points 2 years ago

At least one does haha

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CalPal 2 points 2 years ago

They once said that Ukraine would get absolutely rolled by Russia within 3 days, 2 weeks tops.

Never underestimate a pissed off underdog, especially when fealty to the US President is nowhere near as "strong" / co-opted as in the Russian Federation.

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DicJacobus 3 points 2 years ago

Conventionally Canada wouldn't last more than a week. Unconventionally, the insurgency and resistance would tear America to peices. for the same reason Russia's plan for Ukraine was braindead and unfeasible.

When the cultures and appearance of two peoples who are each others neighbors are virtually indistinguishable, the resistance will tear the occupying apart from within. Ukraine has the benefit of having Europe on its border to flood them with Arms, Canada wouldn't have that luxury, the Government would surrender quite quickly, and be replaced with a Quisling government, However resistance against the occupation, the Americans wouldn't know what to do as they'd spend just as much time accidentally hunting their own people, (and lets be real, if something like this happened, America would de-facto already be in a state of civil war as large population centers revolt against a Fascist autocracy that's attacking its own people and America's historical allies and friends for no other reason than plain old fascism)

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cyborganism 1 point 2 years ago

Sure, but Canada doesn't have the budget to match the mega trillion dollar army the U.S. has.

However, I doubt they would find enough recruits willing to go kill Canadians. They'd probably conscientiously object, except for a handful of bozos. Not to mention they'd probably get sanctioned by every fucking country around the world.

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

You dont train to fight in a war against america, you train to fight in an insurgency.

Americans have no stomach for occupation, they pissed and moaned and ultimately surrendered to the Taliban, and that was on the other side of the world. and the cultures and appearances were so different they might as well have been Aliens.

They'd cry "terrorism" every day of the week, but the Americans would be torn to shreds by Insurgent activity on both sides of the border if they betrayed us. Much like how the Russians marched into the land of their "brothers" with assault rifles, and then wondered why people speaking their language who looked like them, were suddenly killing them all over Russia.

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wise_pancake 11 points 2 years ago

He literally just said he wants to take over Canada by "economic force", I wish any articles included the full quote/context though.

At this point anyone advocating for or supporting Trump in Canada is guilty of high treason against Canada.

https://www.thecanadianpressnews.ca/...

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

minor ancedote, high treason is a term reserved for people already within the government or positions of authority. *

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Sixtyforce 0 points 2 years ago

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cyborganism 64 points 2 years ago

Trump can get fucked. I'll fight tooth and nail before we become a 51st state.

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HikingVet 41 points 2 years ago

Start learning how to resist his nonsense now. With Trudeau's resignation lil pp has adopted an election stance.

The fuckery is about to ramp up.

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swordgeek 21 points 2 years ago

With Trudeau’s resignation lil pp has adopted an election stance.

Oh, it's been going on for a while.

I can't find it right now, but there was a graph posted a few weeks ago showing how much the CPC outspent the other parties on campaign advertising in 2024. It was astounding.

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cyborganism 2 points 2 years ago

I think all parties have at this point...

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christopher 11 points 2 years ago

Me too. I don't want to be a part of the U.S.

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Atropos 6 points 2 years ago

I'll do what I can to help from the US side!

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skeezix -2 points 2 years ago

I think it’s time you accept your orange overlord

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cyborganism 4 points 2 years ago

No. I won't. Fight me. 💪

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swordgeek 37 points 2 years ago

That stupid Nazi fuck may discover just how vicious Canadians can get when defending their country.

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HikingVet 17 points 2 years ago

It's not a war crime the first time...

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AFallingAnvil 5 points 2 years ago

And damn if we aren't ready to be great authors of the next Geneva convention update

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cyborganism 11 points 2 years ago

I just hope we don't get to that point.

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Jamablaya -2 points 2 years ago

If that were true, it wouldn't be the mess it is today.

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zante 26 points 2 years ago
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Auli 15 points 2 years ago

Canada Mexico Panama Greenland now president Musk is talking about freeing the UK. America is on the war path it seems. I think the world is going to be blind sided by this. Europe should get off of US tech. Everything the US says about China is something they can do also.

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Canadian_anarchist 3 points 2 years ago

Manifest Destiny has been America's plan since it won the war for independence from Britain.

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theacharnian 24 points 2 years ago

If the US is willing to adopt a Westminster parliamentary system, the Canadian charter of Rights, official bilingualism (or, well, trilingualism, because Spanish) and give up silly ideas like the 2nd Amendment and life tenure of SC justices, something could be worked out. What do you mean no?

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OutlierBlue 9 points 2 years ago

Don't forget health care.

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Jamablaya -4 points 2 years ago

(Charter of rights is a sham, nothing in it but removable privileges, it's very obvious the person who wrote it wasn't much for actual rights, and legal scholars back then decried this)

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masterspace 21 points 2 years ago

I will say that I think a lot of people are about to get a taste for how much worse we can do than Trudeau.

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Pyr_Pressure 21 points 2 years ago

It might happen if pollievre gets elected. Conservatives are little America worshippers.

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cyborganism 22 points 2 years ago

The Bloc Québécois might start getting elected outside Québec to form its own country... with other provinces.

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CanadaPlus 1 point 2 years ago

You know, I would consider them if they ran outside of Quebec. Francophone issues make no difference either way to me.

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theacharnian 4 points 2 years ago

Quebec nationalists spent all this time thinking about Quebec independence from Canada, when they could have been talking about the Quebecization of Canada instead. I'm here for it.

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CanadaPlus 2 points 2 years ago

Tabarnak, in a good way!

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

actual conservatives aren't, the problem is moderate conservatism has been taken over to use as a vehicle to normalize ultranationalism and fascism.

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yardy_sardley 21 points 2 years ago

It's getting to the point where I don't think dicking around on internet forums is good enough. Every time trump repeat the phrase "51st state" it gets a little more serious. We need to start organizing irl like, yesterday.

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adam_y 3 points 2 years ago
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cyborganism 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah. We have to start having discussions with our family and relatives. We can't keep politics out of conversations anymore. Anyone who plans to vote conservative needs to be convinced otherwise.

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CanadaPlus 1 point 2 years ago

I hate how vague that always is. Specific ideas: Join the military, annoy your MP, volunteer for a political party. If it's America that we're worried about none of the edgelord stuff applies anyway.

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yardy_sardley 0 points 2 years ago

I'm thinking more along the lines of we might not be able to trust our government (and therefore military) to do the right thing, independent of who wins the election.

It would be wise to put together some type of organization (reserve militia?) to be prepared for that contingency.

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CanadaPlus 2 points 2 years ago

Riiight, because that's easier, and can be trusted more than the democratically controlled military we already have. I'm sorry, that's one of the edgelord things I was talking about.

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

In that scenario, the CIA controlled Quisling CSIS says hello

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Jamablaya -3 points 2 years ago

What military?

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Jamablaya -1 points 2 years ago

If only anyone had access to guns actually useful in an invasion. I wouldn't even face off against a herd of feral pigs with a legal gun. Have fun with a five shot pinned SKS or an old bolt action 308 facing off a military

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AllNewTypeFace 20 points 2 years ago

He obviously hasn’t thought it through. As one state, with a proportionate number of congressmen and electoral college votes, Canada would end up as the anti-Texas, dragging the political centre of gravity well into a Democratic majority. A Trumpist annexation would have to split Canada into two states, Alberta and the rest, as to gerrymander the outcome.

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yardy_sardley 16 points 2 years ago

Assuming they have the grace to make us all citizens and allow us to vote. I'm not holding my breath.

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AFallingAnvil 8 points 2 years ago

At least we'd be a state unlike poor Puerto Rico

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Sweetpeaches69 2 points 2 years ago

Gotta love checks notes taxation without representation?

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glitch1985 2 points 2 years ago

Don't worry I think that pesky voting process is a thing of the past.

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adarza 11 points 2 years ago

canada as a state and voting left, all else the same wrt u.s. presidential election process...

canada would have two senators, increasing the senate to 102 members. and in a reapportioned house, receive 44 seats, 'taking' 5 from california; 4 from tx; 3 from fl; 2 ea from il, ny, nc, pa; 1 ea from al, az, co, ct, ga, in, ks, ky, md, ma, mi, mn, mo, mt, ne, nj, oh, or, ri, sc, tn, va, wa, wi.

using 2024 state results (note: figuring ne and me would basically cancel each other out anyway and to keep my 2-minute spreadsheet simple, i just left those two states all-or-nothing), and assuming the great commonwealth of canada, now a u.s. state, would vote left....

looks like it woulda been 287 for r, 253 for d; with 271 needed to win.

just adding a state doesn't change how electoral college votes are distributed, it's still heavily skewed in favor of low-pop states because states get equal representation in the senate regardless of population. remember each member of congress.. that's house + senate.. gives their state one ec vote. that's why the hypothetical here doesn't change the overall outcome.

if each province became a state instead.. things might get 'interesting', then.

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HikingVet 2 points 2 years ago

Don't forget the territories

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adarza 1 point 2 years ago

oh, i didn't..

the territories are so small a population, taking them out (to be 'left out' like dc or puerto rico, or other u.s. territory--any of which is larger than any canadian territory by population) wouldn't have changed anything.

but as states, they'd be, by far, the 'best represented' populations in congress and the electoral college. even nl and pei would be 'over represented' compared to wyoming (the lowest-pop state).

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

90% of the coutnry would be reorganized into "territories" with no representation, be given the Nestle/American Fruit Company treatment, turned into resource extraction zones ruled by Quisling Governors, and a few select urban areas might be granted something akin to early statehood, but it wouldnt get full rights for decades, after the population has been sufficiently assimilated and dissidents are killed.

, they can dress it up any way they want, but any scenario where two countries join and there is signifigant opposition and discontent within the population. it always ends up with death camps. See Russia's "Filtration camps" in Ukraine.

Make no mistake, America taking over Canada in any way, is something to kill over. because they're certainly gonna kill you or someone you love.

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atro_city 4 points 2 years ago

If Canada agreed to become the 51rst state, by that time it'd be Texas.

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Jamablaya -1 points 2 years ago

You mean that country that regularly elects Conservative majorities, with a lower overall population than California?

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Greg 18 points 2 years ago

Don’t feed the trolls! He’s only repeating this because it got attention the last time he spewed this bs.

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humanspiral 15 points 2 years ago

US deficits/debt are too high to be sustainable. Low taxes come with high health insurance costs. The threat of Russia/China has always been complete BS, but they are not "surrounding us constantly"

The best reply to this asshole would be to openly talk of US states joining Canada as a province. Or to have a constitutional convention with 50 states to decide which 2 countries to form.

We can also offer to trade with China/Russia/others more to lower any trade surpluses we have with US.

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cyborganism 8 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't trade with Russia since they are involved in the invasion of the Ukraine. And China would simply flood our market with their stuff and ruin us.

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humanspiral -21 points 2 years ago

I wouldn’t trade with Russia since they are involved in the invasion of the Ukraine.

Believing Russia instigated war is a lie that make Canadians worse than a 51st state. We are a NATO colony. Canadian media discussion of responses to this is that "we need to desperately buy more (3% of gdp) broken F35s to defend the Arctic, and be the front line on war on China" and futher acts of pure sycophancy.

Canadians trusting our CIA allegiant colonial figurehead politicians and media is core to our subservience. Defense pacts with other nuclear powers is best way to have US focus on US-Canada mutual prosperity instead of their destruction and collapse. 51st state, even with the minimal democratic representation that exists in a corrupt US, while less subservient than our current role, also condemns Canada to a worse collapse than US's destiny. We need to be a brake on US empire instead of the willing sacrifice to the last Canadian that the CIA wants us to accept.

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foggenbooty 2 points 2 years ago

So far I've been flagging this guy and others as Tankies so I can quickly ignore them. My reasoning originally was that maybe they'd have something useful to say in other topics so it was better than blocking and not seeing anything at all. At least I would know they're here and not get out of touch.

I'm really questioning this stance now though. They never have anything good to say and are so obviously propagandists. What are you guys doing?

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eronth 0 points 2 years ago

It's what actual left wing extremism looks like, as opposed to whatever the US is pretending it is.

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humanspiral 0 points 2 years ago

You need to think for a bit: What does a war on Russia and then China gain for you? If you want to know propaganda, consider what makes you so devoted to that future.

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Arkouda 2 points 2 years ago

Homie touch some grass.

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humanspiral -4 points 2 years ago

If you submit to US empire on its warmongering projects and genoicde, you are doomed to a worse fate than being their 51st state.

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CileTheSane 15 points 2 years ago

This, Greenland... What is Trump's obsession with trying to get more territory? Is he trying to start a war with someone? Does he think if the country is at war he can postpone the next election?

Or is he just copying daddy Putin? Insisting Ukraine Canada wants to be part of Russia the US and that makes it okay to go "Liberate" Canada...

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i_stole_ur_taco 20 points 2 years ago

They’re physically large territories so the map looks very impressive, especially with the Mercator projection.

This is the man who redirected a hurricane with a sharpie. I don’t think there’s any more to it.

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bitwise 9 points 2 years ago

Putin's his master and handler. If the United States throws the high ground away and starts gobbling up neighbouring nations, it becomes that much easier to say "the West does it too".

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lamp 3 points 2 years ago

@cyborganism@lemmy.ca

Maybe Canada will give the bankers and stock traders more thievingsraum?

In essence Trump is trolling, and people are falling for it. The distraction campaign is working.

This 'outrage' trolling is being used as a starting point for constant recycling of political and economic talking points.

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cyborganism 10 points 2 years ago

Even if he's trolling, when you're THE world military and economic superpower and you're making such statements about a country's sovereignty, you have to take this shit seriously. In addition, he's clearly making fun of Canada for not being a military and economic superpower like them. And that's a clear display of his psychopathic personality. Not sociopathic, but psychopathic. He seeks control over others. He thrives for it. He loves to make people run around and sit and beg. And when he can't get what he wants, he lashes out at you.

Psychopath.

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

Trolling and Joking about sovereignty became as funny as a heart attack after Feb 2022. Now when you do it, people are liable to give you Murder Eyes. for good reason. Sovereignty is non negotiable, Sovereignty, you kill to keep.

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

It's quite simple. Resource extraction, and coloring more of the map in his country's color.

Russia's reasons for invading Ukraine mostly boil down to the same, although their country is so fucked, they actually need to forcefully graft 40 million people onto their population against their will, just so Russia can survive another generation, Russia is a doomed country demographically, America isn't, America is doing it just because. That's Ultranationalism and Fascism for you. Making enemies to distract yourself from internal strife

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HiddenLayer555 1 point 2 years ago
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roserose56 13 points 2 years ago

I like how he says "Many people in Canada LOVE being the 51st state", where did he get that? any polls he did recently?

Let him talk as much he want, nothing he can do IMO.

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HK65 12 points 2 years ago

He is manufacturing your consent for the takeover.

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CanadaPlus 4 points 2 years ago

Anglo FLQ is going to be interesting.

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Badland9085 12 points 2 years ago

Those are meaningless questions to ask someone like Trump. It doesn’t matter and never will matter where he gets the statement. He just needs to never admit that he pulled that out of his ass, and accuse every fact checker of political bias or lying. Those are the rules in his playbook.

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Breve 7 points 2 years ago
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phoenixz 9 points 2 years ago

This.

Dictators love to pretend they are a saviour and use that pretext to invade and mutder

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kat_angstrom 4 points 2 years ago

"Many" equals literally thousands

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DicJacobus 3 points 2 years ago

Thousands of idiots who would sell out their family for a red hat. all because they're mad about bathroom signs.

if push came to shove, those people would be taken care of pretty violently.

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Perhapsjustsniffit 9 points 2 years ago
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villasv 21 points 2 years ago

Because he is taking the helm of the most dangerous country of the West

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Perhapsjustsniffit 3 points 2 years ago
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villasv 4 points 2 years ago

If I was a CBC editor, I would tone it down, yes. If that's what you meant, then I agree that we don't have to platform every little media bait he tweets. But here's Lemmy, there's no editorial.

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DicJacobus 1 point 2 years ago

the world in 2025 is multitudes more dangerous and volatile than the world the last time he was here. thats the issue.

We've seen an outbreak of inter-state war unlike anything since the 40s and 50s. With Russia and Ukraine And the rest of Europe, its the biggest state vs state conflict since Iran-Iraq in the 80s. and there are conflicts flaring up all over the world. Israel is going on a spree of settling every grudge they ever had, Syria as fallen, China is making final preparations for Taiwan, Azerbaijan looks like its going to invade Armenia, War is the hot topic of the 2020s.

Trump is an isolationist, if the world is going down in flames, he thinks it's not unreasonable to suggest consolidating control over North America, just cuz.

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cyborganism 13 points 2 years ago

Because, believe it or not, we can't just toss these statements like they don't matter. The leader of a world superpower, both military and economically, is threatening our sovereignty.

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Perhapsjustsniffit 0 points 2 years ago
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DicJacobus 2 points 2 years ago

internet and tv rotted peoples brains, been that way for about 10-15 years now. people cant help themselves

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Arkouda 8 points 2 years ago

I hope you realize that by posting this ignoramus' nonsense you are actively a part of the problem.

If you don't, this is me telling you to stop being an active part of the problem by posting this ignoramus' nonsense.

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Cephalotrocity 6 points 2 years ago

Trudeau resigned from the most powerful position in the country solely to not have to deal with that orange buffoon's BS one second more than he has to.

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corsicanguppy 17 points 2 years ago

Bullshit. I firmly believe that no one in Trudeau's organization cares one whit about that troll, nor would feed it if given a chance.

Trudeau bailed because of internal trolling from the same 'mean girl' opposition which has focused more on his appearance than anything else this entire time, which has been building the misinformation campaign that WILL influence voting.

Essentially, he bailed so the scumbag cons had less to distract us from the issues, like the horribly American platform the cons are offering, as usual. Only by focusing the message on that can we convince the facebook-addicted hillbillies to actually vote IN their own best interests instead of electing conservatives.

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OminousOrange 5 points 2 years ago

I still have little hope for Saskatchewan.

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Auli -1 points 2 years ago

Sorry there is no way the liberals or ndp win the next election.

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yardy_sardley 4 points 2 years ago

There is still the bloc. Érable-flavoured national socialism is infinitely more tolerable than submitting to american imperialism.

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DicJacobus 2 points 2 years ago

A Polish proverb, referring to Russia, that came back into relevance during the invasion of Ukraine.

"The Rubble is preferable to your dominion"

it's transferable here, too

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cyborganism 3 points 2 years ago

That could have played a big part in his decision. But he's also very unpopular across Canada. He's hoping they might choose a new face that the people will love, but I doubt it would solve anything at this point.

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DrPop 5 points 2 years ago

I'm 2020 52% of Puerto Ricans who voted said yes to joining the United States as a full fledged state. What about them, they actually want to be a part of this shithole country.

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cyborganism 6 points 2 years ago

They already are, technically. They just don't have a voice on who their leader can be.

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Hobbes_Dent 4 points 2 years ago

Funny, when he recently was announced to be changing political roles I drug out of storage and doubled down on a Never Buy or Vacation in USA idea.

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Supervisor194 2 points 2 years ago

You know, I never thought I would be praising Fallout for its prescience in predicting the future.

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Soup 2 points 2 years ago

Remember, folks, those “subsidies” he’s talking are simply the result of an idiot looking at his country relying so much on importing our oil and other resources that they spend more to buy our stuff than they get from selling their own shit. He thinks that the U.S. is so perfect and awesome that there’s no way they could possibly be beholden to another country like this so obviously it means that they’re giving away money.

Canada has the control here, not those losers.

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spujb 2 points 2 years ago
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Rubanski 2 points 2 years ago

Le Anschluss?

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OceanSoap 2 points 2 years ago

I feel like Canada would be too big as a singular state, we should break it up and have many new states based on provinces. We'll call Quebec New France.

Greenland can be just one state though, we won't have to divy the land up until all the ice melts and that.

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cyborganism 2 points 2 years ago

Québec will remain Québec, thank you.

It already has a name. No need to give it some colony sounding name.

Québec would probably break off, taking the Maritimes and big parts of Ontario with it. Maybe even Vermont.

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OceanSoap 1 point 2 years ago

Depends on what fills the void now that Trudeau has stepped down.

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fourish 0 points 2 years ago

He’s a turd. That is all.

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Jamablaya -8 points 2 years ago

Who cares anymore? Federal government destroyed any idea of patriotism west of Ontario and east of the lower mainland a long time ago. Pursuing "post national state" wankery has consequences.

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