US adds web and gaming giant Tencent to list of Chinese military companies
a year ago by Alphane Moon to c/technology
Psychological Warfare for sure
I mean it installs a rootkit on your computer that gives them full control over everything including what you type, hear, and see as well as the ability to record what you've previously typed and said. It could at any moment also fully disable your computer (as well as millions of other computers) rendering them useless.
Just because they haven't used it that way, don't assume they can't or won't.
They can do whatever they want. Operating systems are effectively divided into two partitions, privileged kernel space and user space.
When you run a kernel level anticheat what you're really doing is running a custom program in the kernel space. It effectively becomes part of Windows.
This means that anything that an operating system can instruct hardware to do, that program can do. It can read your files, check your email, print letter you wrote to your crush in Word but "deleted" because it was embarrassing, log every key you type, turn on your webcam, listen to the microphone, download explicit or illegal imagery, upload your hard drive to the NSA, disable your computer fans, etc
You really only want to run this stuff if it's from a trustworthy vendor and even then it's completely defensible to object to running one of these programs.
Currently these things have yet to be caught doing any of these things, but that's because they haven't been instructed to, not because they can't.
Microsoft are going to significantly limit what can run in the kernel (including anti cheat) after the Crowdstrike issue. A side-effect of that should (hopefully) be better Linux compatibility.
Don't get me wrong, Vanguard is BS, and I quit playing riot games because of it. However, simply having low level access isn't sufficient to classify it as spyware, otherwise drivers would be spyware. I still haven't seen any evidence that it currently does anything nefarious with that access, which means it's quite unlikely it's being used for mass surveillance.
To me, there are 2 problems: 1) It could be used for targeted attacks, and the likelihood anyone would find out is much lower than in a widespread surveillance scenario. 2) It could be used to deploy a massive bot-net.
I think the US reclassification here is precautionary in nature.
Exactly. I avoid kernel-level anti-cheat not because of any known spying they do (and honestly, anything w/ user-level privileges can read all your personal data), but that they add yet another attack vector for a bad actor. I highly doubt Vanguard gets as much security scrutiny as drivers, for example.
Except drivers are designed to interact with hardware and to make it usable, kernel-level anticheats are designed to specifically scan/block/etc software. They are pretty different with their intended purposes, even though they offer the same/similar invasiveness.
Chemical weapon, maybe.
Gosh I feel like I've heard Tencent has a stake in some other company that isn't mentioned here yet.
what was it . . . hmmmmm
Tik Tok is what they're referring to
I was thinking of reddit
Tik Tok is the only tencent company I know if that's been labeled a national security risk.
They gonna force a sale of League of Legends now?
Do Fortnite next.
Tencent owns 11% of Reddit...
And? 11% isn't full ownership like the thing I said.
And what DOES Tencent have full ownership of? They dip into almost everything as rich as they need to carry China's water.
RIOT Games. The thing I started this thread saying...
More likely they would leave the market. That game isn’t really popular in NA but it’s the most popular non-mobile game in Asia
...Are you kidding? LoL has been huge for years in NA. RIOT is an American company that was bought by Tencent. Leaving the market means they lose their entire dev team.
RIOT is an American company that was bought by Tencent.
Sure but it ignores that Tencent gave $20 million to create LoL (first 10 then another 10 to buy out the other investors)
Investing 2 years after the game was first playable by the public counts as "giving money to create it", now? That's at least 6 years after they'd have started development.
You've ignored reality.
Never was that popular
COD and Fortnite are much bigger with the latter even making sports radio talk
The popularity spike was when MLG needed to fill in the Halo Reach spot due to that game’s lack of appeal
What? League is consistently the top result of twitch. Even accounting for other regions, league is by far one of the largest games people watch in na. Big na streamers pull in thousands of viewers (doublelift, tyler1 for example)
There's not way you can say that game wasn't ever popular. Maybe it's never been the literal most popular, but it's definitely had a life as a majorly popular game. Large streaming views, tons of players, etc. I have no idea how it's doing now, but it definitely had a number of years of major popularity.
Calling Tencent a "web and gaming giant" is really deceiving here.
It's one of the biggest tech conglomerates in the world. Tencent invest into literally everything: games, social networks, entertainments, cloud computing, finance, AI, other investments... Tencent owns WeChat, Tencent Cloud, Tencent Healthcare just to name a few and helps CCP with surveilance and censorship through these ownings (tbf they don't really have a choice, they're based in China)
100% they are involved in military too so this classification is very much justified.
Yeah that's what the comment said
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Why is the list not just every Chinese company? do they not know how state capitalism works?
Yeah they do. Fascism is state capitalism. They plan to replicate China.
It's been state capitalism forever.
A US social media giant owns the president. I don't think there going to allow the competition. Muskrat and Fuckerburg have a lot more sway and money.
Trump has already asked for action on TikTok to be delayed so that he has authority to "address" the situation. Trump doesn't have to choose between the bribes offered, he'll gladly take them all at the same time.
As opposed to all of our previous presidents, who refused to be bought by corporate corruption? LoL.
I don't think they're making that claim, just that Trump is easy to manipulate and buy off for anyone with the means. Everything is negotiable with him.
My own thought is that the wealthy corpos absolutely can and do purchase US politicians, but some of them have some philosophical guardrails that preclude stepping over certain issues. That number, however, seems to be shrinking the longer we have politicians who are allowed to get fat off of the people.
K. Which president does that not equally apply to? Could probably count on one or two hands the number congresspeople that can’t be bought.
Equally? None of them to Trump's degree, by my assessment.
But then, we're quibbling over degree of terribleness here. I'm not exactly a fan of most politicians or how they have been governing for the last 30 years, so I'm not at all saying things are rosy on the other side.
Could probably count on one or two hands the number congresspeople that can’t be bought.
Absolutely.
Which ones would say it does? Is Biden in your view as corrupt as Trump in that he can and has been bought for practically anyone that appeals to his ego and wallet?
And one of them just retired (Mitt Romney).
But we beat big pharma...
Oh yeah? Hahaha. When was this? Didn’t hear the news about free insulin.
Can't win capitalism? Fret not, everything is national security and we can throw the rules of capitalism out the window :)
And then the west is surprised at the confused look of the global south when Ursula and Biden mention "Rules based order"...
I mean it's not like China was open and allowed competition from western companies.
But it us kind of insulting when America did incredible violence to the global south to get them to open their markets only throw it all out the window.
Americans are blind. They think their capitalism is also not state funded. The only difference is that in China corporations are owned by the state, and in the USA the state is owned by corporations. "It's not fair" yeah, obviously it isn't, the USA has been imperialistic and monopolistic over the entire global south for the past 7 decades, nobody wants to be playing with your bullshit rules anymore. The "free market" is heavily stacked in their favor, and always will be. Case in point? BRICS are about to move away from the dollar, and the USA immediately goes ballistic saying it will impose tariffs and sanctions and whatnot if we dare challenge their authority. Where's the free market in that? Where's the free market when your 2nd in command has said before that the USA will invade and coup whatever country they feel like it in order to get resources? Yeah, we're not playing your stupid free market game anymore, it's rigged. And yes, China is part of the global south, they have been so since they were oppressed and enslaved and explored by the global north for decades, they just did a good job of turning around. I wish my country had done as good of a job...
While China is considered part of the global south, its economy is so massive and it is so influential globally it really shouldn't be.
Edit: Also in China's case, that was the UK, not the US.
China is state capitalism. Capitalism isn't losing. The West is losing because China is using state funds to buy up successful Western companies, and as their new owner, has the ability to force them to do China's bidding.
Meanwhile the West is completely barred from buying a majority stake in any successful Chinese company and even if it could would not be taking it over on behalf of serving the state.
The problem is China plays by its own rules and those rules are heavily stacked against every other nation. That was fine when they were making junk for Walmart; it's not so fine when it's highly sophisticated electronics and software (that can do whatever China wants it to in the West) ... and to add insult to injury it's often based on stolen Western technology (since us idiots decided to put the factories that manufacturer the designs there).
Nobody really cares about the rules. While I don't like capitalism, unfortunately it also starts a new era of imperialism, where the strong ruthlessly conquers the weak, see Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, and China-Taiwan.
I wonder what this means for 50 Cent?

He's five times better, or worse.
Tencent is an investor there too
Aint we got tea companies that make war machines here?
One famous example is Corning which mostly does kitchenware and then also huge military contracts for military equipment. But then of course every single US company takes on military contracts from Ford making engines to Singer making sewing machines and guidance systems during cold war lol
So OP is absolutely right. American companies will dip into everything that makes money which is really not a problem tbh and that's how capitalism is intended to function just a bit funny given that one company makes kitchenware and bullet proof glass for mil vehicles.
Well, looking at the Corning company, they specialize in glass wares/technology in general of which heat-resistant kitchenware is a sector as well as bulletproof glass but also mirrors for astronomy. So this seems more like a parallel than sequential development.
There are some interesting cases of companies who have never before even dealt with large scale production suddenly getting awarded military contracts. But tasking some of the largest machine manufacturers of the country such as Ford and Singer with production of military gear during wartime seems hardly surprising.
And I don't even question the overall narrative of companies doing whatever makes a quick buck. I was more interested in the specific example of a tea company of all places production military goods.
I think OP might have meant Corning as the "tea company" as there was viral tiktok on this subject of user exploring what their tea cup/glass maker is up to. Though I can't recall the exact details so take my word with a grain of salt.
I don't know which company you're referring to, but I think it's pretty damn likely that China also classifies them as a military company too. Shit, most western companies are banned in China.
I fail to see the hypocrisy that you appear to be implying.
I only meant to say that it is quite normal for private interprises to dabble in military application
hence why this article is not a big deal or dig at China in any way lmao
Why does everything need to be whataboutism’d to America. Yes we also have companies that work with our military, who gives a fuck? This article is simply pointing out that a big Chinese company with ties to lots of social media (Reddit for example) is also mil adjacent.
It’s just a fact, not commentary on China that then makes the US hypocritical.
Why are you making whataboutist comments unrelated to the article? Every fucking country has companies that work with their military, that’s not what the article is about.
Cool whataboutism, this article is about a Chinese company and China, not about America or its mil companies.
It’s not like it’s an insult to say Tencent is involved with the Chinese military, why are you so defensive? Do you think you’re sharing unknown info? I think we’re all quite aware of the US MIC.
Do you seriously believe China and every other country doesn’t keep similar lists already? This is basic ass shit.
Every time anything about China is posted someone like you comes running to tell us all “b-b-but America too!!!!” as if that changes a damn thing in regards to the discussion topic at hand.
Pointing out hypocrisy is not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you bring up a separate topic as a criticism to distract from the original topic. For example, if you make fun of my cooking and I bring up your drawing skills in response, that's whataboutism. If you suck at cooking and yet bring up me sucking at cooking, that's just pointing fingers and trying to paint that as a negative for someone else when you possess the same deficiency.
Imo whataboutism is not even a real thing.
That's just a dumb label made up for use against ussr it was just never intended to be used against US lol.
But pointing out that ur opponent has ulterior motives is properly legal
it's whataboutism
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