People who don't charge their phone at night... Why?

3 years ago by BreakNeckJim to c/asklemmy

My wife's phone dies every. single. day. and I don't know why she doesn't just charge it at night.

I'm just wondering how people live like this ๐Ÿ˜…

Dirk 15 points 3 years ago

I charge my phone at work ...

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6pick6el6 1 point 3 years ago

Me too, they gotta pay for the battery juice

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LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points 3 years ago

While I know your joking, I still find it amazing how much it costs to charge a phone. Likely around $2 of electricity a year now if what U remember is accurate

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synapse1278 13 points 3 years ago

Because I try to charge my phone when I am in the office, as much as possible. There are no small savings in my book :D

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pingveno 2 points 3 years ago

Not necessarily. Many phones will charge more slowly during the night if you set a morning alarm. You could be wearing down you battery when you charge at work.

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synapse1278 1 point 3 years ago

The charger I have there is very slow, so I should be safe (it's a Samsung charger and the only phone it will charge fast is the one it came with, my work phone). Also I try my best to do 30-80% cycles.

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HouseWolf 12 points 3 years ago
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tetris11 5 points 3 years ago

You just described my entire life. We're probably best friends now.

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vis4valentine 11 points 3 years ago

I just fall asleep while watching a yt video of something and the phone is still in my hand.

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shapesandstuff 9 points 3 years ago

I genuinely don't understand how this works for so many people. When i watch something, I watch it and wont sleep until i make the concious decision to stop paying attention and close my eyes. Same with books or anything really. Maybe music works

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dragnucs 2 points 3 years ago

Depends on the subject and how much interested you put in it. If the video is just random dumb shit with music, then you fall asleep. If it is a nice interesting movie you may stay awake. Even so, if the movie is boring, you may fall asleep.

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Lumidaub 2 points 3 years ago

I WISH I could make the conscious decision to sleep. How does THAT work?

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shapesandstuff 3 points 3 years ago

Thats not how I meant it. The concious decision to stop engaging with stuff and close my eyes. No human can just decide to sleep and pass out.

Yeah yeah someone's gonna akshewally me but nah.

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vis4valentine 1 point 3 years ago

ehhhhh, its a heavy sleeper thing for me I think. I usually don't make the conscious decision of falling asleep, I just lay in bed until I just pass out. My brain just gives up and disconnects. I'm a heavy sleeper, and I need like 30 minutes minimum between opening my eyes in the morning and actually getting out of bed.

I'm also watching streaming services too and it happens a lot to me that I'm watching a series in bed, I fall sleep, and wake up to realize I watched many chapters of the series so I gotta watch them again later, this time for real.

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shapesandstuff 2 points 3 years ago

decision of falling asleep Thats not how i wrote it, why do people read it that way xD

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CaptainBlagbird 11 points 3 years ago

Fire hazard.

I charge it at work while I'm (mostly) conscious. xD

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rattymeantime 4 points 3 years ago

This. I'm surprised Fire Hazard is not the top answer in this thread...

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Dekkia 11 points 3 years ago

I charge it during the day at work.

Boss makes a dollar I make a dime...

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janonymous 10 points 3 years ago

... that's why I charge on company time

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memphis 10 points 3 years ago

Keeping Lithium-ion batteries at 100% charge will reduce their lifespan. They want to live in the 40-80% range. I use an app that notifies me when my phone has charged to 80%, so that I can unplug it. It may be overkill, but I plan to use this phone for 9 more years or so.

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GlenTheFrog 4 points 3 years ago

9 more years?? I've gotten almost 6 years out of my Oneplus 5T and I've been ecstatic about it. It's literally lasted 3 times longer than any phone I've had before it

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memphis 1 point 3 years ago

I have a Fairphone, and repairability is one of their main selling points! 9 years is optimistic but shoot for the stars right?

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RomanRoy 4 points 3 years ago

Me too. Samsung has a feature to "protect battery life", so it only charges until 85%. You can keep it on power, but it won't surpass 85%.

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bitsplease 3 points 3 years ago

Both iphone and androids have an OS option to stop charging at 85 though - I keep it on all the time unless I'm going to need that extra bit of juice

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bjwest 3 points 3 years ago

My Samsung S22 did, but the Pixel I traded it in for does not.

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ribboo 1 point 3 years ago

Not just that, at least iPhone charges very slow during night. It learns when you need it to be full, and make sure itโ€™s ready at that point.

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rm_dash_r_star 2 points 3 years ago

They want to live in the 40-80% range.

Yes, that's correct but with some extra consideration. There's two kinds of wear for Li-Ion batteries, shelf life and cycle life. To maximize shelf life you want to store at 40% to %50% charge in a cool environment. To maximize cycle life you want to avoid charging and discharging fully.

There's two curves where cycle life and shelf life cross for maximum longevity. For example if you shut off your Li-Ion powered device or remove the battery for long periods, shelf life becomes more significant. Storing at 40% charge in a cool environment will maximize battery life. If you discharge frequently, then keeping the charge cycle shallow will maximize longevity since that's going to be most significant.

Honestly it's complicated to deal with and squeezing all the life you can out of a battery is typically not worth the trouble. Though it's definitely nice when chargers give you options, most don't.

In general Li-Ion batteries are highly desirable for their top tier energy density and that's why they're so ubiquitous, but the wear and safety considerations are big disadvantages. The holy grail of battery technology is to eliminate those issues.

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tmpod 10 points 3 years ago

I used to never charge my phone at night, because of my battery health pedantry. I the found the AccA app which enables me to limit the maximum charging, so now I sometimes leave it changing during the night.

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c0mbatbag3l 16 points 3 years ago

If you're still convinced you need to run your battery down to zero you're operating on outdated knowledge of NiCad batteries and ruining your lithium ion batteries.

My Android phone has a built in functionality to charge so that it hits 100% when your alarm is rigged to go off. Idk about iphone though.

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tmpod 10 points 3 years ago

I was not talking about running the battery down to 0, that's no good for li-ion batteries either. I was talking about the exact, opposite, reaching 100% and staying there for hours on end (which happens during the night). With AccA I can set an upper limit.

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Nugget_in_biscuit 12 points 3 years ago

Hi Tmpod! This is actually a common misconception among the general device-using public!

You are absolutely correct that a lithium battery will degrade if you maintain a state of charge (โ€œSOCโ€) for long periods of time that is either above 90% or below 10%. Of course, phone manufacturers know this too, and they have set the charging software to block off the top of the pack, which allows the user to safely leave their phone on the charger indefinitely.

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Ataraxia 2 points 3 years ago

Why did samsung implement a 85% limit that can be activated by the user? Is it just placebo?

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raubarno 0 points 3 years ago

Why can't it be as easy as a relay (or transistor) switch that cuts off the power?

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Viper_NZ 2 points 3 years ago

iPhone will charge to 80% then wait until just before you wake up to charge the rest.

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c0mbatbag3l 1 point 3 years ago

It might do something similar, I'm not sure.

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Ataraxia 7 points 3 years ago

I use Samsung built in feature to limit to 85% and I'm so glad they implemented it because I was about to either try to look for an app again or stop charging at night...

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Facelikeapotato 1 point 3 years ago

How do I find that?

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cma3246 2 points 3 years ago

Settings > battery > more battery settings > protect battery

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ChosenUndead15 1 point 3 years ago

Bro, I didn't know that, you are a godsend.

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Distributed 0 points 3 years ago

Requires root? I'd rather degrade my battery than run an out-of-date, more vulnerable operating system..

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bjwest 2 points 3 years ago

I use a chargie. It's a physical Bluetooth connected device that connects between the phone and charger and lets you set your own charge limit. Works great with my wireless charger at night. I also have one for my tablet.

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TheAnonymouseJoker 1 point 3 years ago
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kcvis 9 points 3 years ago

I wfh and charge during work

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SillyJester 9 points 3 years ago
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Veedems 6 points 3 years ago

Lol I was going to say something similar. Justโ€ฆask her?

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sneakyninjapants 9 points 3 years ago

I feel this pain. Wife's battery-powered devices are always in a constant state of dying. Something has convinced her that it's better to let the battery almost! die, then charge it to full, but not leave it plugged in because that will degrade the battery; meaning it never gets charged overnight. I'm sure there's a small kernel of truth in where she learned that, but it's almost a joke at this point when she goes scrambling for her charger when using her phone, tablet, etc. It's painful, but also adorable? I guess. Anyway, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on, so I just let it be and laugh almost everytime it happens.

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killall-q 8 points 3 years ago

She needn't worry about manually optimizing battery wear, and, in fact, the most harmful thing you can do to a battery is to fully deplete it frequently.

Educate her about built-in optimized battery charging. iPhones and some Androids have it.

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entropicdrift 1 point 3 years ago

This. My wife and I have that setting turned on on our Samsung phones. Mine is 3 years old and I still get all-day battery

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Zamboniman 7 points 3 years ago

Something has convinced her that itโ€™s better to let the battery almost! die, then charge it to full, but not leave it plugged in because that will degrade the battery

That was true a long time ago when NiCad batteries were around. But, since they had the problems you described, they're not around any more, and phones generally all use lithium-ion batteries which don't have this issue.

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SilentStorms 6 points 3 years ago

I think that was true like.. 10+ years ago, but battery and power management tech have advanced so that's no longer necessesary. I think running full cycles on your battery is actually bad for it now, I set mine to stop charging when it hits 85% to preserve battery health.

Sounds stressful constantly worrying about battery life, plopping it on a wireless charger before bed is the way to go.

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Captain_Shoe 2 points 3 years ago

I would love if iOS had a "stop charging at 85% option" like that. What I currently do is a shortcut routine with a wireless charger connected to a smart plug that turns off the plug when the phone reaches 85%. It works, but I would love to be able to have it work without a smart plug routine.

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BreakNeckJim 2 points 3 years ago

Haha right? It's not worth it! But yeah, I feel like it's just a stressful way to live when the other option is to just grab a cord and plug in before falling asleep...

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sneakyninjapants 1 point 3 years ago

Oh I know for sure. I've told her it's perfectly fine to do before; even offered to replace the battery if it degrades faster, but she won't budge. It's not worth making a big deal out of, so I just let it be

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LifeInMultipleChoice 1 point 3 years ago

I'm lazier than that. I got a 3rd party wireless charger (12watts) when I got my old phone. I still use that with ny Galaxy S9 Plus now. Never have to reach for a cord or worry about it falling behind a nightstand. Just set it down, and pick it up when I want it. I wanted to dremel out the bottom of the nightstand and put the charger there so it wouldnt take up any space and would essentially be spill proof when my phone isnt there... but I got lazy and haven't started that project yet. I'll probably upgrade the charger if I ever do that.

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BrooklynMan 7 points 3 years ago

when i see people's phones constantly at, like, 12%, it drives me crazy.

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BreakNeckJim 6 points 3 years ago

Haha it's always funny with screenshots posted on social media, like 4% I'm sweating ๐Ÿ˜…

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End0fLine 1 point 3 years ago
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mcc 6 points 3 years ago

Like, you went through your day exhausted and want to finally make a decision to go to bed for yourself, but no you have to remember to connect the USB cable.

Get her a wireless charger stand.

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outer_spec 6 points 3 years ago

they forgor

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Digital_Eclipse 6 points 3 years ago

I forgor ๐Ÿ’€

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rm_dash_r_star 5 points 3 years ago

There's actually a safety factor there. When Li-Ion (lithium-ion) batteries fail and suffer thermal runaway (fire), it's most commonly during charging. It's rare, but it does still happen. The rule is to avoid charging Li-Ion powered devices unattended. I do that at times myself, but I realize the risk and actually put things in a "charging pot" if unattended.

You don't need anything fancy to use as a charging pot, a ceramic casserole dish will do. If you're going to charge while asleep or out of the house it's not a bad idea to use some kind of containment.

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BrownNote 3 points 3 years ago

Bringing back chamber pots one person at a time

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Brad 2 points 3 years ago

I didn't know about that, now I'm scared.

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rm_dash_r_star 6 points 3 years ago

Don't be scared, it's actually a pretty rare occurrence. Just be aware it can happen. Same thing with driving, accidents are rare, but wear your seatbelt.

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Steinsprut 5 points 3 years ago

I have a wireless charger on my desk, pretty much almost every day I already have 100% when going to bed

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iridaniotter 5 points 3 years ago

I thought you're not supposed to keep things charging after they reach full battery. Also I don't have a plug near my bed lol

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tiwenty 16 points 3 years ago

Recent smartphones learn your patterns and don't fill up until the morning. For instance my phone currently is stuck at 80% and says it'll be fully charged at 7AM

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iridaniotter 2 points 3 years ago

Hm maybe I need to find that in my settings, or my phone is too old. That's pretty cool though.

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tiwenty 1 point 3 years ago

I myself use an iPhone 11 on iOS 16, but I know Android has a similar feature :)

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tal 1 point 3 years ago

For Android, the feature name is "Adaptive Charging".

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saltysel 1 point 3 years ago

That's...weird. Patterns change and maybe I need my phone charged earlier than that. Never heard of this.

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Dustmuffins 2 points 3 years ago

My Pixel has the option to only do it when I have an alarm set, and it reaches full charge about 15 minutes before my alarm goes off.

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jaykay 1 point 3 years ago

Works If you have the same routine everyday

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russjr08 1 point 3 years ago

I really wish this worked for times other than the mornings. I work in the late evenings most of the time, so thus its pretty normal for me to wake up at 9PM (like today) - however, the only time it ever seems to do the trickle charge is for when I set an alarm for say 10AM and plug my phone in at 3AM.

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Alue42 0 points 3 years ago

It's not about the phones learning the patterns, which as you've said recent phones have corrected that, but due to energy sustainability and trickle charging (once it's fully charged, it will keep energy flowing in order to keep itself fully charged, or to keep itself at 85% as other comments have indicated) - you should unplug once it's fully charged in order to conserve electricity. A phone may not seem like much, but every bit counts and it permeates throughout the rest of your personality/devices and adds up, especially when everyone does it.

I charge my phone when it needs it and unplug it when it's done. Sometimes that lasts two days, sometimes it's half a day, sometimes I plug it in first thing in the morning, sometimes I plug it in while I'm driving home at night.

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gamebuster 5 points 3 years ago

I don't want an exploding phone in my bedroom. I charge it at my desk while working

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twei 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, and once you've got a phone with wireless charging support and a couple of those charging pads you'll never go back

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nigh7y 5 points 3 years ago

Because i charge it before i go to sleep?

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WorldieBoi 4 points 3 years ago

I got a Oneplus that charges at 65w so I don't have to leave it plugged in overnight. I just charge it 15min while shaving or whatever.

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onepinksheep 4 points 3 years ago

I do generally charge my phone at night, but I do it while awake and unplug it before I go to sleep. It's increasingly rare these days, but I just don't want to risk the potential fire hazard of leaving a phone plugged in.

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httpjames 4 points 3 years ago

Some people are just extremely lazy. I used to be the same, but I decided to spend a few dollars on a wireless charging stand that I can just throw my phone onto while I'm dozing off.

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wakamo 4 points 3 years ago

It doesn't matter when you got a fast-charge phone.

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JuxtaposedJaguar 2 points 3 years ago

Fast charging decreases the lifetime of your battery compared to traditional charging. It's not a huge difference anymore (maybe 3% or something), but traditional charging isn't that inconvenient considering you're not using your phone while you sleep, anyway.

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LifeInMultipleChoice 1 point 3 years ago

This mindset is so frustrating. My fiancee and I will have a discussion like do you want to go do _______. We decide to go, and now ensues the I need to let my phone charge some before we go. Waiting ~30 minutes before leaving to go somewhere is very disadvantages.

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cma3246 3 points 3 years ago

Charge your phone in your vehicle on the way

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NotSpez 1 point 3 years ago

I simply charge it while I get ready in the morning. I can charge in the car or via a powerbank if I really don't have time.

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Atemu 1 point 3 years ago

30 min is not really "fast" charging. Assuming 0%-100% on a 4Ah battery, that's just 30W.

Also, you don't fast charge to 100%. The idea is to get more like +50% in a few minutes. Assuming 4Ah battery again, that's +2Ah which is 7.4 Wh at 3.7V.

You won't charge from 0% though. You're probably still well over 25% before you start charging but let's say you're at 25%. With 60W, you'd be at 75% in 7.5 min.

That's fast charging and why it's useful: Those 75% will last you through the day and it took you <10 minutes to reach it.

What's frustrating is not fast charging, it's that your charging speed simply isn't very fast.

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Fake4000 4 points 3 years ago

One of my phone's puffed up while being on the charger at night. Woke up next to a spicy pillow.

I work from home on a desk job. I charge my phone once a day so now I do it at 4pm everyday and follow that cycle.

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CaptainBlagbird 1 point 3 years ago
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dwindling7373 4 points 3 years ago

I don't know you married one, ask her and let us know?

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BreakNeckJim 2 points 3 years ago

Oh I have, I've heard every excuse haha, mostly just that she doesn't think of it? Seems weird to me

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danie10 4 points 3 years ago

We are the same, I put my phone and charge (set to stop charging at 85%) overnight, my wife does not, and then her phone dies at odd times like when she is out shopping. I suppose it is about having a scheduled routine or not. I have alarms set for 10:30 every evening to check if a charge is needed for my watch that day. Some people just don't like the routine and prefer to live a bit more on the edge.

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BrownNote 3 points 3 years ago

Some people just don't give a f*ck, even when they complain about it all the time...

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AskThinkingTim 3 points 3 years ago

If I don't charge at night it is because I forgot to charge it.

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zephyr 3 points 3 years ago

Because it's already 100% when I go to sleep

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DrFuggles 3 points 3 years ago

Same thing with my girlfriend. I even got a charger and a cable just for her exclusive use but she keeps unplugging my phone because "it has more charge than mine". Which, fair, but like??? It didn't have to be this way??

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exododo 3 points 3 years ago

Sometimes I fall sleep while scrolling or watching something in bed, so no overnight charge

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BrownNote 2 points 3 years ago

No good for your health my guy

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moosetwin 2 points 3 years ago

I'm worried there'll be an electrical fault and it'll start a fire.

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IMongoose 2 points 3 years ago

Sometimes my bed is too full of dependents and I don't have a charger near the couch :(

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BreakNeckJim 2 points 3 years ago

I've got two dogs and a baby so I understand that haha

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clarksonianpause 2 points 3 years ago

I have a wireless charging stand at work, so my phone is nearly 70% charged when I go to bed. No real point to me in having extra clutter on my nightstand.

On the weekends, Iโ€™ll charge my phone on the kitchen counter while making breakfast for the kids.

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Fallstar 2 points 3 years ago

Because I can charge it in my car, at my desk in the office or with my battery pack when I am out.

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sashka 2 points 3 years ago

I am too lazy to plug the charger into the wall. It's a sort of thing get it done once, and reap the benefits always, but I have executive function issues, so that could explain it.

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sephi 2 points 3 years ago

I charge in the morning.

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raubarno 2 points 3 years ago

Because my smartphone with Li-Ion 3140 mAh battery lives 48-72 hours. No google apps (LineageOS), LTE is off (I use only WiFi), Bluetooth is off. Well, I use my phone mostly for texting and calling, rarely for surfing the web, showing my PDF tickets and for offline location-guided maps (a.k.a. Trekarta). That's it.

EDIT: that depends on the use case, though...

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BrownNote 2 points 3 years ago

This is not a normal use case. I listen to music via wifi and have to charge my phone like twice a day or more.

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NikoFoX 2 points 3 years ago

Today's phones don't need to be charged every day because of big battery. For me, that was a problem years ago, but since the last phone I had - the problem doesn't exist. Even if I have 10% battery before sleep, it will still be 8-10% battery when I get up, which is enough for morning walk with dog with music and come back home.

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JuxtaposedJaguar 2 points 3 years ago

Laziness. The cord is always on the floor, and I don't want to have to reach down there.

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Racchio 2 points 3 years ago

I just turn it off, and it generally need to recharge in the next day afternoon.

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Jode 2 points 3 years ago

My partner and I both have wireless chargers so we essentially start charging at the same time every night. He has a nicer phone than me even. However he also has Twitter Instagram Facebook etc etc etc on his phone so it lasts about half the time mine does with none of that garbage.

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coffeekomrade 2 points 3 years ago

I read to fall asleep, so my phone usually stays with me in bed. Pro-Tip, if she has an iPhone, set the Sleep focus to turn on at a specific time and enable low power mode.

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zettajon 1 point 3 years ago

For many years I always did this for my own android phone in Tasker, and more recently Samsung Modes&Routines, but thank you for this as I just realized I never did the same for my wife's iPhone

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solstice 2 points 3 years ago

I suck at sleeping so when I feel like I could conk out I seize the opportunity and go for it. Plugging in my phone is part of my bedtime ritual, so I trick my brain into not going into high gear to resist shutting down by not charging at night. You think I'm kidding, it's a battle every day.

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BrewJajaja 1 point 3 years ago

Try melatonin.

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RemorniaLivingBlade -1 points 3 years ago

Melatonin is not just great for falling but also for staying asleep. I'm so happy I found this...

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BrownNote 1 point 3 years ago

It helps me fall asleep, but I always wake up a few hours later. I've tried different doses too to no avail. :(

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axe 1 point 3 years ago

My phone's battery is usually full before I go to sleep.

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Lewistrick 1 point 3 years ago

On days I don't WFH, I charge my phone in the car. My commute is 2 hours per day which is sufficient.

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Catch42 1 point 3 years ago

I charge my phone during the day while at my desk. The grid mix during the day is mostly solar where I live so it's green, and when I'm not working from home, it's free electricity.

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JWBananas 1 point 3 years ago

She has different priorities than you.

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84615_on_resu 1 point 3 years ago

In the evening i charge it a little. Overnight, my phone loses 4-6%. In the morning i finish the charging.

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tal 1 point 3 years ago

If she carries a purse, or otherwise can carry one extra item, a USB battery (looks like Amazon calls them "portable chargers") might deal with the issue. If the phone's running low in the day, just start it charging off the battery.

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Captain_Shoe 3 points 3 years ago

Then the problem just transfers to a new device that you have to remember to charge up instead.

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BreakNeckJim 1 point 3 years ago

Yep, she uses a wallet and can't find that half the time haha

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Captain_Shoe 1 point 3 years ago

If it makes you feel any better, my nightly routine with my girlfriend includes saying "Don't forget to plug your phone in." right before saying "I love you, have a wonderful sleep!"

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MeowKittyWow 1 point 3 years ago

I usually do, but sometimes I forget ๐Ÿ˜…

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Fringetheory999 1 point 3 years ago

Eh. I only use the thing once or twice a month. Itโ€™s dead most of the time, really. Unless I plan to use it I usually donโ€™t charge it at all.

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BreakNeckJim 1 point 3 years ago

Oh really? I wish I could do that sometimes, but then I get bored of reading and go back to YouTube haha

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tox_solid 1 point 3 years ago

I'm a stay at home dad and my phone is on and off the charger all day. I typically won't plug my phone in at night unless I think the battery is too low to make it thru the night. But by the time bedtime rolls around I'm usually good.

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