[rant] Too many liberals these days.

3 years ago by Rania Rudhan 🇩🇿🏳️‍⚧️ to c/comradeship

When I first joined Lemmygrad, I had the peace of knowing that everyone here is participating in good faith, unlike on reddit, which is full of liberals who will comment on everything just to get a reaction or a chauvinistic boner. The good faith here was a very welcoming thing, that even when I made a mistake users corrected me and gave me a second chance to rethink what I said, because they knew I wasn't here to troll and perhaps I was misguided or uneducated on a subject.

After the reddit refugee thing, you'd usually see them on communities that used to be popular on reddit that exist on Lemmygrad's instance (latestagecapitalism) or posts that got too popular, but now they shove themselves on every community here, even if its name was "LENINFANGIRLSCLUB1917" and had a picture of Lenin on every inch of it.

But now, since there's so many clueless liberals that came from reddit and don't know how to act, devaluate constructive discussions on for example if a theocratic force like Hamas should be supported against the Zionist entity or not, into arguments about whether the Zionist entity is a colony or not. nowadays if someone comments some shit like "communism doesn't work because of human nature." I legit wouldn't know if it's sarcastic or actual believers of that.

I feel this has a major negative impact on us and the community, it is harder for anyone old or new to participate here without being downvoted (idgaf about downvotes) or argue on whether Jeff Bezos eats children or not, and any new participants is instantly greeted with a death stare if they can't recite Das Kapital backwards in Hausi.

Anyhow, that was my rant, I personally believe that what we're seeing right now is just a wave caused by reddit, and liberals will either learn how to use Lemmy properly, or leave the site all together because they can't give comments gold awards. With all that I've said, I'm looking forward to the Hexbear federation horizon where we'll hopefully be dunking on losers together. <3

DankZedong 47 points 3 years ago

Don't let them go to your head and destroy our communities. There's a lot of action going on against places like this to wreck them and it shouldn't be this easy. If you see a fly in your house, you're probably not going to burn your entire house down. Rather, you'd think: 'Hmmm , that's annoying', and move on. If the fly becomes to annoying, you kindly show them the way out or slap them to death.

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frippa 40 points 3 years ago

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letranger 37 points 3 years ago

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bennieandthez 36 points 3 years ago

liberals is why we can't have nice things lenin facepalm

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Fissionami 25 points 3 years ago

WOW. Lemmygrad added custom emojis stalin heart hands

[Though it's only few for the moment]

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JoeDaRedTrooperYT 15 points 3 years ago

Exactly

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ImOnADiet 34 points 3 years ago

Yeah it kind of sucks. Just remember to smash the report button, all you need to write is "liberal" and the admins normally take care of them within the hour

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ksdhf 32 points 3 years ago

Don't engage with the liberals, and especially don't argue with them. If they genuinely wanted to learn they would use the search bar instead of asking the same cliche questions over and over. They are intentionally trying to get a reaction to frustrate you.

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CarlMarks 27 points 3 years ago

The key is to make fun of them. They are not serious people deserving of respect and they don't respond to argument or fact.

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go_on_home 25 points 3 years ago

Good rant. I hope that sense of good faith community is able to come back and that the hexbear federation bolsters the amount of good faith commenting.

But also, you can’t recite Das Kapital backwards in Hausi? smh my head.

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Valbrandur 23 points 3 years ago

The Redditor migration and its consequences

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absolutefuckinidiot 14 points 3 years ago

My absolute favorite genre of liberal wandering in here are the ones who uncritically just link the entire Wikipedia article on Stalin or Gulags or something as a “source” for their blatant anticommunism and western chauvinism.

Just so many things hilariously brain dead about that but its the confidence and naivety with which they do it that really kills me.

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redtea 14 points 3 years ago

I think you've captured the essence of it perfectly. We'll work through this and the community will be stronger because of it.

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commiewolf 10 points 3 years ago

I think it adds a little bit of excitement honestly, every post you can scroll down to the bottom and find some liberal with 20+ downvotes being dunked on by yogthos or dankzedong or any of us really.

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xenautika 9 points 3 years ago

i've been gone for a few months and the change and seeing liberals getting dunked everywhere i go is absolutely hilarious. i can't believe there are still folks like this in 2023

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TokenBoomer 0 points 3 years ago

Sorry they’re bumming you out. Eventually, they’ll silo themselves in echochambers.

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Fixbeat -24 points 3 years ago

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Aru 25 points 3 years ago

Exactly what I'm talking about, why tf are you in a post in "COMRADESHIP" that has a picture of a communist style heart

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intensely_human -19 points 3 years ago

He literally just answered that question.

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WhatWouldKarlDo 22 points 3 years ago

Thus making the point. This post wasn't arrogant. His reply was simply off topic given the community, and was unnecessarily rude, which is against instance rules. Why is he here?

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o_d 5 points 3 years ago

He's jUSt anSWERing QUesTIOns 🤓🤓🤡🤡

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absentthereaper 25 points 3 years ago

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jbloggs777 1 point 3 years ago

As an outsider (also non-US), it seems obvious enough to me that US society and subsequently US politics is pretty screwed up and big changes there are unlikely. Lowly US workers would seem to have a slightly better chance of a secure life if the US democrats could get and maintain a majority, and it would be an opportunity for more meaningful change.

Once again as an outsider, I see some traditional northern-EU models as better - social democracies, with capitalism's extremes largely reigned in, with attempts to find a balance between workers and large employers. I also see how the EU has prioritised capitalism and we risk a race to the bottom. I don't see capitalism as evil, but it is obviously a successful model that has largely taken over the world. I wonder if there are viable alternatives that don't involve pitchforks, along with a transitional path to them.

I can imagine other forms of socially-minded corporate governance, competing and sometimes winning against for-profit global corps, with the appropriate legal forms/framework in place, and initial government support. I guess that in some ways, public service/institutions are already this for some.

I can't imagine a wholesale abandonment of the current capitalist system, a big revolution, and any kind of stable or fair system coming from it. That whole human nature thing, I guess.

So what could be an alternative with a chance of peaceful success, which could sustain itself in this globalist world?

edit: Thanks for the replies, everyone. Interesting links. The books will hopefully have more references than medium/youtube. Enough to get me started, anyway!

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ImOnADiet 15 points 3 years ago

You would be better off making a thread in !communism101@lemmygrad.ml

I'll just say for now that no, social democracies are not the path forward, it's the moderate wing of fascism for a reason. If you want actual explanations, you're more likely to get better and fairer answers there, not here in a thread ranting about liberals

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Arachno_Stalinist 14 points 3 years ago

Like what @ImOnADiet said, it's better to ask these questions at !communism101. But for the sake of answering your question:

Wall of Text Incoming

Lowly US workers would seem to have a slightly better chance of a secure life if the US democrats could get and maintain a majority, and it would be an opportunity for more meaningful change.

Unfortunately the Democrats won't do anything meaningful that can't simply be undone by the Republicans. They also had many chances to make a better change already, and yet they didn't do that either. On top of that, while their rhetoric may be different, a lot of their policies are actually really similar, if not the same. Did Biden ever free those who were imprisoned by the US-Mexico Border under Trump? What about Obama and his 500+ drone strikes on civilians? Is he any different from Bush?

I don’t see capitalism as evil, but it is obviously a successful model that has largely taken over the world.

Yes and no; While yes, Capitalism was a necessary step in overthrowing and replacing Feudalism, it has also come with the exploitation of the Proletariat (Working Class) via the extraction of surplus value, as well as the worker's lack of ownership over the Means of Production. Capitalism in its late stage (which we live in nowadays) has also lead to the destruction of the environment, the alienation of humanity from society (via excessive and unhealthy individualism) and nature, and even the decreasing quality of products (due to a thing called "planned obsolescence)

Capitalism is successful in a sense that it allows the Bourgeoisie (Ultra-Wealthy Ruling Class) to accumulate wealth and power at the expense of the masses.

I wonder if there are viable alternatives that don’t involve pitchforks, along with a transitional path to them.

[...]

I can’t imagine a wholesale abandonment of the current capitalist system, a big revolution, and any kind of stable or fair system coming from it. That whole human nature thing, I guess.

As great as a peaceful transfer of power would be, it is pure schniff idealism, unfortunately. The Bourgeoisie have, historically, employed force to suppress workers' movements. You can't simply talk them into giving up their power. Hence, revolution is necessary to establish Socialism. (or at least its transitional stage)

We also acknowledge that a sudden change from global capitalism into global communism is improbable and extremely impractical. We are not Trotskyists. This is why AES (Already Existing Socialist) Countries still have capitalist elements in them, (i.e. China and Vietnam operate using market economies and have their own private enterprises.) although these capitalist elements will gradually fade away.

As for the "Human nature" argument, while yes, we are quite a selfish species, we are also a social and altruistic species. What parts of our nature get emphasized are the results of our upbringing, socioeconomic conditions, etc., and what matters is that we build those conditions needed for altruism and egalitarianism to flourish. It is only Socialism/Communism, not Capitalism, that can build those conditions.

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jbloggs777 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks for the reply!

Isn't China ploughing forward with its own form of capitalist exploitation from year to year? Large companies are run by those who tow the party line and stay friendly with the right factions. Politicians and business leaders live in luxury, while the working class is exploited. Is Vietnam doing any better?

Efficient and robust (both in good measure) markets seem like a key to a competitive society. Free markets and capitalism are oft touted as a way to get this (ignoring the rescue-the-rich bailouts, cough). I wonder whether some future AI/ML tech may offer a non-violent path forward here. Any large scale viable alternative will have to hold its own against capitalist/other competition and deal with lots of spanners being thrown in the works. I suspect there'll be an element of evolution/survival of the fittest, if it goes this way.

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JoeDaRedTrooperYT 3 points 3 years ago

Another Joe

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jbloggs777 6 points 3 years ago

A regular Joe who asked a serious Q. Some might see it as an opportunity.

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psycho_driver -9 points 3 years ago

I don’t see capitalism as evil, but it is obviously a successful model that has largely taken over the world. I wonder if there are viable alternatives that don’t involve pitchforks, along with a transitional path to them.

Maybe a full-on capitalist society in which we have a purge of the 1% every 100 years or so would be sustainable.

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simply_surprise 22 points 3 years ago

Fuck off, cracker

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CarlMarks 14 points 3 years ago

Please notice me

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Beam 9 points 3 years ago

Shut the fuck up, you ignorant, selfish, disgusting, putrid piece of shit. Crawl back to whatever hellhole you came from, fucking annoying liberal shithead. We’re all tired of you and don’t want you and your liberal friends here.

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Godric -5 points 3 years ago

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words may hurt me even more :'(

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intensely_human -22 points 3 years ago

Maybe the solution here is to become the first communist society in history to build walls keeping people out.

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CarlMarks 19 points 3 years ago

Red alert! We have an advanced history understander here.

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polskilumalo 18 points 3 years ago

mf here compares an internet book forum with a real state 😂😂😂

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ksynwa 10 points 3 years ago

It's the same people whose economic model is based on "imagine two people are stranded on an island".

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Godric -45 points 3 years ago

"The left falls apart infighting, the right falls in line"

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Shinhoshi 16 points 3 years ago

fucking liberals

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Bart 16 points 3 years ago

Bruh... liberalist are just capitalist bootlickers.

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Jonathan12345 14 points 3 years ago

The right falls in line into the pit after the leftists put bullets into the backs of their heads.

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CPCsStrongestWumao 11 points 3 years ago

pragmatically, in the event of revolution, there are only communists and anti-communists.

:"left-unity" didnt work in the first internationale, it didn't work during the Russian Civil War, it didnt work in the Spanish Civil War, and it wont work now.

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