‘Baldur’s Gate 3’ Prepared for 100k Concurrent Players, They’ve Gotten 700K

3 years ago by simple to c/games

Larian’s Swen Vincke posted a tweet yesterday showing the game hitting 500,000 concurrent players, making it the third most played game on all of Steam He said that he told IT to only expect 100,000 concurrents at max.
holiday 115 points 3 years ago

What I love is that means this game would have been a success at 100k concurrent. That makes this a runaway success. Hopefully other triple As are paying attention to what Larian is doing.

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Hyperi0n -69 points 3 years ago

Releasing an early access game as a full release? Other devs are doing that already.

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disasterpiece 47 points 3 years ago

Care to elaborate? The game had an early access and the official release has been incredibly well polished with few bugs that are already being patched out

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Balex 27 points 3 years ago

Plus they limited it to act 1 only. So I don't get how you could even claim it was a "full release game released as early access". You literally couldn't even play the whole game.

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Arthur_Leywin -20 points 3 years ago

But you would have to pay full price as if it was the full game so the fact that it wasn't the full game is even worse.

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Hyperi0n -3 points 3 years ago

The game is riddled with game ending bugs. I've lost about 5 hours of play time from reloaded saves. Bugs that have been reported in EA are still present.

Missing key RPG fetures that were requested by almost everyone during EA. Such has more PC voice options, ability to change style of character in game and can't see full class or race level progression before starting.

The game feels too much like a Divinity game and not like a Baldurs Gate game. It's 100% a reskinned Original Sin. It's beautiful and has the lore of D&D but it has me longing for the dungeon crawl of BG 1 and 2, planescape, ice wind Dale.

Jump height and distance is insane. Maximum jump height for a running start is 3 feet yet my PC can jump the height of a 2 story building from standing.

Difficulty scale is backwards, the game gets easier the further along you get rather than scaling with you, like the original games.

Classic skills from 5e have been tweeked for no apparent reason other than to fit the reskinned Divinity skills. Skills with no comparable in Divinity, like dodge, were cut.

The ability for other party members to step into conversations is still missing. My fighter should be able to step in and intimidate rather than silently watching off to the side. My character that has buisness with an NPC should be able to jump into the conversation rather then having to select them and talking as party lead.

The spell icons resemble the pictographs of Divinity more than the previous BG games or anything from D&D.

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Apex_Fail 9 points 3 years ago

I dunno, I got the early access for half price (of release price) with the 1st act (as advertised), and the full game at no extra cost.

The 1st act alone probably net me ~50+ hours of play, so their beta is better than 90% of AAA releases recently

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Hyperi0n -1 points 3 years ago

There have been no discounts on EA.

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Apex_Fail 1 point 3 years ago

Oh, I meant I got the early access right when it came out and was only like $30ish

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AlecSadler 104 points 3 years ago

That's awesome. Also the lack of micro transactions makes me want to support them more. I kinda wish they had a donate button or something.

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magic_lobster_party 83 points 3 years ago

The donate button is buying the game and their previous titles.

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PanaX 41 points 3 years ago

Especially Divinity 2: Original Sin.

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Nioxic 14 points 3 years ago

Or gift friends. Then play with them

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magic_lobster_party 9 points 3 years ago

When you’re out of friends, gift to random strangers!

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AlecSadler 1 point 3 years ago

Awesome idea that I totally just did!

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Coelacanth 29 points 3 years ago

The digital deluxe upgrade is basically that. You get some bonus stuff like extra bard songs, some cosmetics I think and the official Soundtrack. Stuff like that.

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thedrivingcrooner 1 point 3 years ago

Is the soundtrack in the game files I assume? I haven't seen it yet, and I can't seem to get the dice skin to work so I wondered if I even got the deluxe edition for a moment.

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Hextic 16 points 3 years ago

Buy the Divinity games. They're all good.

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Khotetsu 11 points 3 years ago

You could always buy a second copy to gift to a friend. Then you'd be able to play together on top of giving them another sale!

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circuitfarmer 11 points 3 years ago

I almost never buy a game on opening day for full price. But fuck microtransaction nonsense -- as soon as the devs made an official statement about it, I was on board.

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Hyperi0n -11 points 3 years ago

Day 1 dlc.

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circuitfarmer 10 points 3 years ago

And?

The key is that nothing in that DLC is needed to win the game. In fact, the only real game advantage at all is some camp supplies. The rest is art, character sheets (they're PDFs), and the soundtrack. It also allows Larian to throw a little extra at the early adopters who bought the game in early access.

"Day 1 dlc" means nothing without context. Not all DLC is pay-to-win.

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Innocent_Bystander 3 points 3 years ago

It's also not egregious where you get a piece of a game, then have to finish out with dlc. It's one thing if you get a full game, then some optional add-ons. But we can't trust the "AAA" game makers to do that. Too much greed.

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meldrik 9 points 3 years ago

Buy the DRM free version on GOG if you haven’t already.

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gears 6 points 3 years ago

Can steam and gog players play together?

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Synapsisdos 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 2144292 2152411 2154437 2162749, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
AlecSadler 2 points 3 years ago

Sorry, dumb question, what's GOG?

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Synapsisdos 4 points 3 years ago

It is another digital game store owned by CD Project, parent company of company that made the Witcher series and Cyberpunk 2077. They originally started by selling old games that they would get running on newer OSes. They have since started selling new games and have an alright launcher that you can link to other stores to see your entire game collection.

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pory 4 points 3 years ago

Most importantly, GOG as a storefront does not allow DRM. If you buy a game on GOG and keep the installer around (on a drive that's regularly backed up), you'll always have the ability to play that game even if GOG's servers die.

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Corkul 1 point 3 years ago

Gog.com Alternative games with some focus on old games.

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qwertyWarlord 3 points 3 years ago

I don't know why this sentiment is so popular. It's a single player game, most single player games don't have microtransactions... In fact I think it'd be odd and outside the normal if it did

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zaplachi 16 points 3 years ago

Something something Skyrim horse armor something something….

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middleman35 5 points 3 years ago

Oblivion horse armor even

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steakmeout 9 points 3 years ago

It's not a single player game. It has online and LAN co-op. Lots of single player games have micro transactions these days too.

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5redie8 6 points 3 years ago

Its like everyone forgot Civ 6 exists

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NinjaYeti76 5 points 3 years ago

@qwertyWarlord @AlecSadler I would like to respectfully disagree. Witcher 3 had DLC. Skyrim had DLC. Dragon age origins also had DLC. Many many single player games had DLC. I'm not sure where you're looking.

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StinkyRedMan 5 points 3 years ago

Dlc and mtx aren't really the same thing tho.

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NinjaYeti76 1 point 3 years ago

@StinkyRedMan got it. Sometimes it's hard to tell because in both cases I'm not getting a complete game or there's some sort of FOMO involved. Heh. I get what you're saying though.

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rog 4 points 3 years ago

I wouldnt call it single player

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shadowspirit 3 points 3 years ago

The game has LAN support as well as steam cloud. While it's designed for single it handles multiplayer extremely well. The only annoyance I've ran into is that only one person can interact with a merchant at a time.

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boletus 1 point 3 years ago

Game is designed for multiplayer from the ground up. Its the same engine they used for divinity. All about partying up, but has great single player support too.

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stallmer 3 points 3 years ago

You could request they offer something small…maybe cosmetic…within the game that you could buy to support them.

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Aussiemandeus 2 points 3 years ago

I bought it only because of their stance on microtransactions.

It wasn't really on my radar because turn based rpgs are not my thing.

I saw their press release and figured just for that upfront refusal to try rip everyone off to make money was good enough for me to buy the game and try it out.

I love dnd so it can't be bad

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TheGreatBatsby 2 points 3 years ago

Gift me and I'll enjoy it 😉

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AlecSadler 2 points 3 years ago

I'm open to the idea.

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TheGreatBatsby 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 2144292 2149589 2159675 2175210, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Rough_N_Ready -1 points 3 years ago

Also they published the game on GOG - so it’s DRM free!

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cordlesslamp 96 points 3 years ago

We need to support and embrace this kind of games and studios more. They put so much love and effort into the game. But in the end, this game will probably profit as much as what Fortnite make in a couple months.

It's always sadden me to know that even something as successful as Elden Ring, which sold 20 millions copies and made 1.2 Billion dollars, is nothing compared to what microtransactions make in games like CoD (2 Billion dollars per year) or Fortnite (over 5 Billion dollars per year).

And people complain why they "don't make good games anymore".

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AProfessional 19 points 3 years ago
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TwilightVulpine 7 points 3 years ago

Pokémon is regularly one of the best selling games out there, so saying most people don't want turn-based RPGs doesn't sound right.

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throwsbooks 2 points 3 years ago

I consider computer RPGs to be more in the vein of tactical RPGs rather than Pokemon/Final Fantasy style turn based RPGs tbh. It's turn based, but positioning is key. Or, at least they scratch the same itch for me.

And Fire Emblem, XCOM, FF Tactics, etc have never exactly had mind blowing sales.

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KitsuneHaiku 2 points 3 years ago

Pokemon is so much less complex than BG3. It's a bad comparison. If you exclude competitive pokemon, which 99% of people never engage with.

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AProfessional -6 points 3 years ago
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TwilightVulpine 6 points 3 years ago

In some ways I agree they are pretty different, but fixating too much on particularities while glossing over core mechanics is a bit strange. We have space for a plethora of FPSs and action games of different styles, why are turn-based RPGs dismissed like this on a regular basis? Every gen or so we have yet another reminder that, yes, people do still like RPGs.

Baldur's Gate may not have all ages cutesy characters, but D&D-style fantasy has its own appeal.

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Bluescluestoothpaste 2 points 3 years ago

No, but they're both turn based rpgs?

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zaph 2 points 3 years ago

Are you really gatekeeping a video game

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endbringer93 2 points 3 years ago
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solarizde 91 points 3 years ago

Good thing is, it runs flawless on my Linux desktop too 👍 Just one of the best games I played in years. Good it payed out for larian to invest so much time into it. Maybe a good example for others that you do not need to rush a launch.

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zikk_transport2 48 points 3 years ago

I love Lemmy. Geeks are everywhere. Linux is everywhere.

Seeing "runs flawless on my Linux desktop" on a gaming community is awesome! :)

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ZIRO 19 points 3 years ago

Steam Deck is changing PC gaming. The better Steam Deck gets, the better gaming on Linux becomes. There are dozens of us.

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prole 18 points 3 years ago

Can we all take a moment to appreciate Proton? Shit is basically magic as far as I'm concerned.

GE-Proton too, that dude does good work.

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zikk_transport2 2 points 3 years ago

I remember when years ago I launched Payday 1 and oh dude - 3D objects where white lines only, no textures, and 2-3fps. Things progressed quickly since DXVX project started. <3

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okamiueru 20 points 3 years ago

I can also mention that it works flawlessly on Linux even with the GoG version (still through proton). It's uncommon for such games to be on GoG day one, and I wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

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TWeaK 3 points 3 years ago

Oh nice, I went with GOG as well and was wondering if I'd be able to get it running on Linux.

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okamiueru 2 points 3 years ago

Most GoG games can be run through steam/proton, but it's a bit tedious. I'm guessing that there are better approaches than what I do, which is to

  1. Download install files from GoG. For BG3 it's like 27 or so files and one setup executable. Place all of them in the same folder
  2. Add the install executable from 1. as a "Non steam game". Through the "Games" -> "Add non-steam game to my Library".
  3. Edit the entry from 2. and add compatibility. (Right click and "properties". "Compatibility" and check the "Force the use of a specific Steam ...". I used Proton 8.0.3
  4. Run it, and complete the installation. The install allows you to run the game directly, but don't do this. Just exit it after finishing the install.
  5. Locate the wine installation for the game. Something like "/home/<$USER>/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/pfx/drive_c/GOG Games/Baldurs Gate 3/bin/bg3.exe"
  6. Edit the entry again from 2., set a nicer name. And the adjusted path above as the TARGET. And full path of the bin-directory it's in, in quotes, in START IN.

You should be able to run it as a normal steam game. I've done this with all gog games I own without much issues. Though, I usually check if it works on protondb.com before I buy it.

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okamiueru 1 point 3 years ago

If anyone stumbles upon this comment, I would also mention that you can install any subsequent update in the same way, by editing the entry to the update file(s), run the update executable, and then edit the entry back.

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Freesoftwareenjoyer 1 point 3 years ago

Why do you use Proton instead on WINE? I've never tried, so I'm curious if I should look into it.

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rusty 5 points 3 years ago

Proton is WINE on steroids, I haven't used it for a while, but ever since proton came out it's been a much smoother experience, at least for the sample size of me.

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mrvictory1 1 point 3 years ago

It is not recommended to use Proton outside of Steam. Use Wine + DXVK instead for GOG.

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Freesoftwareenjoyer 1 point 3 years ago

Good to know, thanks!

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MaDeX 0 points 3 years ago
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ZIRO 4 points 3 years ago

It isn't native, but it works very well. It uses Vulkan.

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MaDeX 1 point 3 years ago
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BloodForTheBloodGod 1 point 3 years ago

It does compile shaders

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ZIRO 1 point 3 years ago

unfortunately, my system seems to need to compile the shaders before I start the game if it's the first time I've started the game that steam session.

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sj_zero 40 points 3 years ago

The saddest thing is that with the destruction of the media over the past 20 years, I'm still waiting to hear whether it's actually any good or not.

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mojo 48 points 3 years ago

It's super fuckin good. If you liked dos2, it's basically that but with more immersive conversations, more potential dialogue trees, more DnD like, and more titties and dongs.

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aJazzyFeel 16 points 3 years ago

i was flabbergasted to see titty and (various) dodongos on my character just like that. it's rad as fuck! I've spent the past 2 hours pretty much just reading flavor text. 100% worth the asking price, especially since it runs perfectly on my potato pc on ultra.

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twistypencil 0 points 3 years ago

Msdos?

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ashok36 1 point 3 years ago

What is that? A character in Act 2?

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KirinMizuki 21 points 3 years ago

It’s good, best with a group

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Klystron 35 points 3 years ago

Definitely not unless your group is insanely dedicated to keeping it serious. All it takes is one person who doesn't care about lore or the story or some NPC talking to rush through something or make a joke and completely take you out of it. I could never play it in a group on my first serious play.

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Call_Me_Maple 22 points 3 years ago

Just like regular D&D!

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utopianrevolt 18 points 3 years ago

it's best in any format, imo. shaping up to be my all-time favorite game.

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CluckN 3 points 3 years ago

The group glitch where someone can’t leave your party once they join is pretty bad.

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Samuraipizzacat 15 points 3 years ago

It's very good. Larian studios really went above and beyond with the level and attention to detail. The replayability is incredible. Most streamers are still on act one and there is no shortage of stuff to do. Edit: autocorrected a word

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brawleryukon 14 points 3 years ago

Latharian studios

Guessing some kinda typo/autocorrect business going on here, but just to cover the bases, it's Larian, not Latharian.

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Taako_Tuesday 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah I think part of the reason there's so few reviews is that the game is so large that not my reviewers have finished it yet. Or at least a lit of what I'm seeing are "reviews in progress"

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tomi000 14 points 3 years ago

What are you even talking about

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errer 13 points 3 years ago

Fucked a tiefling with my dragon penis, 10/10

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JJROKCZ 4 points 3 years ago

It’s fantastic, if you have any familiarity with d&d and enjoyed that experience then you’ll love this.

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Sacha 3 points 3 years ago

I'm hoping it gets game of the year, or at least, in the running for it and a good portion of the awards.

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PoetSII 2 points 3 years ago

I mean the only real contender I could imagine would be TOTK which is so much less accessible, and I can't see how it'd get any leg up on BG3. It's only on one console, and there's zero consideration for other experiences (there's not even separate sfx/music volume sliders, it's all the same channel)

I get Nintendo has everybody's nostalgia in a vise and TOTK is certainly a great game, but imo BG3 is all that with the addition of being able to play it where and how you want it with actual modern disability and experience considerations. Not to mention the performance difference (which isn't everything, but for people who get motion sick from choppy framerates it's not nothing either)

If starfield experiences a wholly different launch to every other bethesda game ever, then it's maybe in a similar playing field but I'd wager it's nowhere near as polished as BG3 is.

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Sacha 2 points 3 years ago

Tears of the kingdom is a typical Nintendo game. Fun, but very mid and extremely safe. The thing with tears too is that its 80% recycled content from botw with one new very interesting gimmick. It's a creative gimmick but one gimmick does not goty make.

Edit: as for starfield I have little to no interest in it, it's cool Bethesda is making a new ip but as a rule, Bethesda games are pretty mid as well. The only reason people still talk about skyrim is because of how moddable it is. It would have fallen into obscurity otherwise. It's a nice exploration game similar to the Zelda games, but that's all it really has to offer outside of the mods. But because of the mods it has infinity replayability. No two games are alike, and if you want. You can completely change your experience.

I dont know anyone who has recently talked about tears, let alone play it. It's no elden ring that has dominated my feeds the entire year it came out and even still finds its way in without searching for it specifically. Out of curiosity I checked twitch streams at peak hours and tears had 3k... when stardew valley had 6k. It just fails to really cement itself. It's a typical Nintendo experience. But like...how many endings are there? how many ways can you play link? What's the name of any new npc? The robot thing is cool but other than that it's just... breath of the wild.

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Sacha 1 point 3 years ago
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KarmicSquish 2 points 3 years ago

It’s good. It may well be my favorite game, ever.

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Sanctus 33 points 3 years ago

I don't hear much talk of the optimization but the simple fact this is running great on a wide range of devices says a lot of the engineering prowess of the studio. Its amazing how well this game is runningnon my five year old machine. I know thats not too old but some new games make my cooling loop hot and this one doesn't even make my components work that hard.

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terminhell 8 points 3 years ago

Seems like the pre release was more demanding/less optimized. Running Fedora 38 and proton. Combined with the Vulkan option it's been fantastic. And I think this weird glitch I was having two nights ago has already been patched ʘ‿ʘ

Specs: ryzen 5 1400, 16g ram, and a Radeon 5500xt. I had bumped a few options down on ultra, shadows to medium, and fog medium. Didn't need to, but it's helped without any noticeable graphic difference.

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Sanctus 1 point 3 years ago

Now if we could just let our friends drop-in and out so I don't have to keeo a separate save/character for them. I played with one yesterday and their character was stuck in my active party after they left.

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lazyslacker -10 points 3 years ago

Honestly I'm not surprised, it looks like something out of the mid 2000s. That's not to say something bad about it. Graphics don't make a good game on their own.

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Sanctus 9 points 3 years ago

Wtf is this? Have you seen the in-engine character expressions? Shit looks phenomenal.

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FlashMobOfOne 31 points 3 years ago

I love headlines like this.

Larian makes such great games. This kind of success means maybe a BG4 somewhere down the line.

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MasterObee 30 points 3 years ago

I haven't played any Baldurs gate before, but the hype has definitely made me look into it.

Definitely seems like a game I'd like, a fantasy RPG, I haven't always loved turned based combat, so that's one of my hold ups. What do y'all think of the combat system?

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5redie8 14 points 3 years ago

As someone who hasn't played a single game remotely close to it before (Titanfall, a little call of duty, Final Fantasy 14, Halo), all I can say is PLAY IT. It's disorienting at first but once you play it for an hour you'll like it, and after three you won't he able to pit it down.

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jvisick 13 points 3 years ago

The combat is fairly challenging - it’s easy for one or two bad moves (or bad luck) to kill your whole party in a battle. It also takes a bit to learn the combat system if you haven’t played D&D.

That being said, I love it. Once you get the basics of combat down and get used to playing carefully, it’s a lot of fun and you get to build out the character that you think is both effective and just cool - and there’s probably a way for you to succeed with whatever build you end up making.

If you don’t love turn based combat I’ll say that it will probably feel very dense at first. You end up with 4 different characters with different strengths and weaknesses and each with a bunch of different abilities that have different rules for when and how often you can use them. Turn based means you get the time to make an educated decision about what you want to do next, but it’s a lot of information to juggle.

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MasterObee 5 points 3 years ago

The combat is fairly challenging - it’s easy for one or two bad moves (or bad luck) to kill your whole party in a battle. It also takes a bit to learn the combat system if you haven’t played D&D.

I've always been interested in D&D, but no never played it.

You end up with 4 different characters with different strengths and weaknesses and each with a bunch of different abilities that have different rules for when and how often you can use them.

I have played quite a few games with the party system, so I have so previous knowledge on the strengths and weaknesses of party members, which may help. Thanks for the info!

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otter_bee 4 points 3 years ago

BG3 would be a good introduction to dnd. 5th edition tabletop plays pretty much the same. notable differences are in how movement is and the obvious aspect of being on more guardrails in a video game. although they still managed to make those guard rails feel near nonexistent.

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jvisick 2 points 3 years ago

No problem! It is a lot of information at once but I’ve been having a great time playing it so I’d really recommend it to anyone who thinks it could be interesting.

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sm1dger 12 points 3 years ago

If you're unsure if it will be for you, pick up divinity original sin 2, same maker and very similar style, but (a) without the d&d license and (b) will cost much much less. Both BG3 and DOS2 are incredible games which you can easily pour a hundred hours into

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delicious_tvarog 5 points 3 years ago

DOS2 is my favorite RPG ever. The game uses tactics and positioning far better than any other RPG I've tried.

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emptyother 3 points 3 years ago

The AI uses it a bit TOO well and too much, imo. It always find some impossible angle to fire at me.

Also got annoying with surface magic effects. AI covered the battlefield in it. Particularly that super-fire that one needed a limited spell to remove. BG3 has a better balance between combat and surface elements. At least so far in the game.

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wieli99 9 points 3 years ago

I personally like it very much, it feels dynamic?, for a lack of a better word, despite it being turn based.

However most encounters can be avoided, via conversation, choices, environment kills etc. So you don't need to fight much, if you don't end up liking it. ^(*as of act 2/3)

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TacoThrash3r 4 points 3 years ago

Pacifist playthrough 100% when?

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Ricaz 6 points 3 years ago

The combat system is classic but with tactical Larian improvements from their other games.

I like it, but you can definitely get burned out from really long combat sessions. You can always lower the difficulty and blast your way through it, though.

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MasterObee 1 point 3 years ago

Outside the combat, how have you liked the game?

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Ricaz 3 points 3 years ago

Apart from a few glitches here and there, the game feels really complete. The story is really well made and the writing is top tier. If you come for the RPG elements of talking to every NPC and finding a lot of fun dialogue, you'll love it.

If you want something without combat, although not fantasy, Disco Elysium has become my favorite CRPG ever.

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cazool 25 points 3 years ago

So.... I'm the only one not playing it?

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sigh 15 points 3 years ago

what are you even doing right now that's so important

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cazool 6 points 3 years ago

Being lazy

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Chadus_Maximus 11 points 3 years ago

Yes

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TwinTusks 5 points 3 years ago

Don't worry, I'm too poor to play (weak ass laptop, game cost a bunch in my country, and work, and kids)

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cazool 3 points 3 years ago

If it wasn’t for those pesky kids

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throwsbooks 4 points 3 years ago

Nope, I'm playing DOS2, since that's been sitting in my steam library for way too long!

THEN maybe I'll BG3. If my laptop can handle it...

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790 1 point 3 years ago

Currently playing it too after a 3 year break. :)

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CitizenKong 2 points 3 years ago

Me too, but only because I'm waiting for the PS5 version.

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cazool 1 point 3 years ago

Oh! That will be my excuse too. Didn’t realize it wasn’t on consoles yet.

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boletus 1 point 3 years ago

I'm finishing D:OS2 first with another party. Also Larian games are always better a couple months or so after release, so I don't mind waiting. So no not the only one :)

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Nihilore 1 point 3 years ago

I’m waiting for it not to be 90 bucks, probably pick it up in a year

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cazool 1 point 3 years ago

Dang. Here I thought we had it bad in CAD

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masterairmagic -1 points 3 years ago

There is still time to change that.

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Matriks404 20 points 3 years ago

I have added the Baldur's Gate series to my backlog, I will probably play these in 10-15 years, wish me luck.

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cafeina 8 points 3 years ago

Just in time for BG4! (probably)

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Heavybell 20 points 3 years ago

Odd headline. Seems very rooted in the assumption of online gaming these days to me but then you get in and the article is basically just saying the game is a huge success, which is great news I'm sure we can all agree. :)

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Kolanaki 5 points 3 years ago

The game does have multiplayer. If it's not using P2P connections, preparing for 100k players and having 700k could make that slower. But I'm pretty sure it's P2P so that doesn't make any difference.

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TWeaK 3 points 3 years ago

There's still going to be some server overheads in connecting players together initially (I don't think it works just by IP), but yeah I think the game stuff itself is P2P.

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AProfessional 5 points 3 years ago

The Steam Matchmaking API is included in their 30% cut. They can have 0 servers.

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Cybersteel 2 points 3 years ago

Really? What's the benefit of going solo instead of paying the 30% thru steam.

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Pickle_Jr 19 points 3 years ago

As someone who hasn't ever really gotten into cRPGs before, how is the game? Is it hard to get into/is there a big learning curve to this game?

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timespace 33 points 3 years ago

It’s heavy on the D&D 5e rulebook, if you have any level of familiarity with that it will all come naturally.

If you don’t, that’s ok too, they did a really good job describing rolls, saving throws, attack rolls, etc, in the guided tooltips.

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PanaX 15 points 3 years ago

If you haven't played a game like this, there is a learning curve. I've been playing stuff like this for decades and there's still lots to explore, in purely mechanical terms, with BG3.

That said, it is very much worth the initial investment. I found playing Divinity 2: original sin very much prepared me for BG3. You could start there a little more cheaply before delving into this expensive title. At least then you can see if you enjoy this style of game.

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terminhell 8 points 3 years ago

Being familiar with dnd 5e will give you a head start in the basics. Things like how ability scores and combat/social interactions can play out. But not necessary. They've changed quite a few minor things that deviate from the tabletop game that I've found myself having to actually unlearn dnd.

Monks are actually useable. Went with a 4 elements subclass. So I have a mix of spell-like abilities for range, and can still smack things with my staff and fist.

The main thing is, being aware of the micromanaging you'll have to do in combat. Don't be afraid to use consumables. And explore! I'm still only in act 1.( I've had pre release for over a year, so I'm taking it slow to see what changes are in the actual release).

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hootener 7 points 3 years ago

And like regular DND, positioning is really important. Use the environment to your advantage: block line of sight, have the high ground, use spells that have an AOE to drive enemies where you want them to be.

If you go charging into the middle of the open room surrounded by baddies you're probably gonna get wrecked.

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terminhell 1 point 3 years ago

Yup, and action economy is still king 👑. Action surges, flurry of blows etc. Even at lvl 5 vs lvl 2 goblins can still be dangerous if your group is outnumbered.

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brawleryukon 7 points 3 years ago

If you're passingly familiar with 5E D&D, you should be pretty much good to go. The CRPG-ness of it shouldn't be too much to get your head around if you know the underlying system at all.

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TransplantedSconie 6 points 3 years ago

You can do what I did: turn down the difficulty until you get the hang of it. It's adjustable during the game, so you can crank it back up later.

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Cornelius_Wangenheim 2 points 3 years ago

The game is mostly about talking to people and choosing your own adventure with the occasional tactical combat. There's a lot of complexity if you want to get into it, but most of it can be ignored if you play on easy. While the combat is fun for those of us that like that sort of thing, the big draw is the story and how reactive it is to your choices.

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Taako_Tuesday 18 points 3 years ago

750k concurrent players several days after release, quite the feat!

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altima_neo 17 points 3 years ago

I mean yeah, bear sex

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TransplantedSconie 15 points 3 years ago

Plus Goblin and Ogre sex. THAT was an eye opener.

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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

Bugbear, not goblin. A goblin probably could have climbed right in there.

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TransplantedSconie 2 points 3 years ago

#virile!

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Nima 2 points 3 years ago

wait... we can have sex with goblins and ogres? quietly takes furious notes

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szczuroarturo 3 points 3 years ago

Goblin slayer would be disapointed in you.

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jandar_fett 14 points 3 years ago

I absolutely adore and admire those at Larian studios. Divinity 2 is one of the best games I've ever played. I hope I can play BG3 one day since I don't have the funds for a system that will run it or better yet, it becomes available on Geforce Now or something because I got a damn wedding to pay for and bills to pay!

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sneezymrmilo 3 points 3 years ago

As someone who has played Divinity Original Sin 2 and some of their older titles. You won't be disappointed, BG3 is phenomenal. Interactions between characters has been massively improved that the added animated cut-scenes when speaking to characters gives them significantly more life. I think I still prefer the combat system in DOS2 but I don't hate BG3 combat, it's just different.

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HongoBongo 2 points 3 years ago

My buddy has been playing co-op with me using GeForce now and it's worked great so far

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AeonFelis 14 points 3 years ago

Why is it a problem that IT was not prepared for so many concurrent players? Yes, it has multiplayer, but it's mostly a single-player game. Did they pull a Diablo?

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JackbyDev 34 points 3 years ago

They didn't pull a Diablo because you don't have to wait in a login queue to play single player.

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JakJak98 10 points 3 years ago

A lot of people are playing with their friends, not just alone

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AeonFelis 27 points 3 years ago

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AProfessional 6 points 3 years ago

Is it not p2p and should barely matter?

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Pinecone 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah players can drop in and out of games pretty fast plus there's stuff like user authentication

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MagicalHammer 1 point 3 years ago

And save games can be synced to the larian account. So you can continue your game on PS5... If you brought the game twice.

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WhereYak 11 points 3 years ago

This makes me so happy to read. Thanks

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SamSpudd 11 points 3 years ago

Well deserved, haven’t play it a lot personally but friends are very much still raving about it after playing for 20+ hours, so well worth it.

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tiwenty 10 points 3 years ago

It seems this game has local coop? I was wondering if it was a nice experience for me and my GF

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Litany 9 points 3 years ago

Yes, you can play on a LAN connection, offline assuming you both have your own PCs in the house. There is no split screen multilayer, yet. In fact, this is supposed to be the reason why only the PC version had it's release date moved up. They didn't see it as a requirement for the PC release and decided to work on the PS5 split screen issues, post PC release.

So PS5 will definitely have split screen functionality, and I suppose that might also go to PCs as well, but that's just a guess on my side.

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galaxi 8 points 3 years ago

I was just playing split screen multiplayer on PC a couple days ago. Not sure where you heard that PC didn't have it, if that's what you're implying. Seems to be working fine.

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TiresomeOuting 1 point 3 years ago

Do you need two copies of the game for that?

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MagicalHammer 1 point 3 years ago

No

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Diffuser5593 1 point 3 years ago

Using software called Parsec, you can use 1 copy of the game where the person who owns it streams it to your pc.

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tiwenty 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks a lot for the summary! 🤗

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Evrala 9 points 3 years ago

I should make a Drow....

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mojo 6 points 3 years ago

That's what I did. Her skin is white though so she basically looks like a normal boring human though lol.

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Legendsofanus 9 points 3 years ago

That's wonderful!

I wish my shitty ADHD-OCD mix brain would let me play it instead of doing shit through a system or something. I can't even play anything I want to cuz I'll feel bad that I'm not something the universe would want me to

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troglodytis 8 points 3 years ago

You are a human. One of the things humans do is enjoy and have fun. It is in our programming. The universe wants you to enjoy and have fun.

Also, a big things humans do is endurance. Long term action and planning is kinda a thing we can do, while many other species specialize in rapid response. Taking the time to enjoy recharges our batteries so we can be more productive in the long long term.

Supporting systems that help others experience joy and fun (entertainment, the arts, sports recreation), through participation in ways that speak to you, helps all of us recharge our batteries. So our systemic endurance increases.

It's ok to play. It's necessary for our survival.

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TWeaK 6 points 3 years ago

Mate, as soon as you get your shitty ADHD-OCD brain into it then you'll be hooked. There's plenty to keep you busy.

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kennuckies 9 points 3 years ago

I'm so hoping my husband will play this with me when it comes out on Ps5. He rarely plays games with me - but this one is too fun is to pass up

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DogsShouldRuleUs 4 points 3 years ago

Get excited. It plays stupidly well with a controller. I changed out my traditional pc desk setup for a recliner/TV setup and mouse and keyboard still get uncomfortable after not much time. Once I tried it with a controller.. oh hell yes.

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kennuckies 1 point 3 years ago

Ooh, yes, even more excited now! The recliner/TV setup seems perfect for this game imo. I bought an original Xbox a while ago just to play Dark Alliance the way I remembered playing back in the day, so this is going to be a huge treat either way

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emeraldheart 8 points 3 years ago

My friends keep telling me that getting the game is unethical because it supports Wizards, so I've not gotten it yet. I know Wizards is shitty and sent the Pinkertons to someone's house, but does this game actually directly support them? Can anyone here weigh in on this? Should I just pirate the game instead? It looks fun, but I also don't want to put my money in a bad place.

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UlrikHD 18 points 3 years ago

Sounds pretty wild to call it unethical to buy the game because of WoC (which isn't even the one responsible for the game). I doubt their worst act even comes close to a normal Tuesday for a lot of companies you likely buy from, directly or indirectly.

You can look up Larian if you want, but they are far from a big game publisher the way EA or Rockstar is. And they are going against the trend of mtx or DRM. Pirate if you want, but using morals as an excuse for not wanting to spend money doesn't really fly in this instance.

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Jakeroxs 11 points 3 years ago

Larian is a fantastic company, Divinity original sin 1 and 2 both got massive free updates in the enhanced edition and definitive editions respectively, not to mention the mod-like grab bags they released. They're great and I'm so oddly proud of their massive success with bg3

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MagicalHammer 5 points 3 years ago

And no micro transactions...

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Ashtear 8 points 3 years ago

I'm not familiar enough with licensing contracts of this nature to know whether there are royalties being paid out based on the number of copies being sold. But in the case of whether WotC is going to get paid again for another licensed Baldur's Gate game in the future, that's already a done deal. Sales from this point aren't going to matter. It's similar to how that became clear pretty quick in the case of Hogwarts Legacy.

D&D is among the most mature IPs in gaming. It's not going anywhere, and Hasbro has it right now. The most effective thing you can do is support one of its competitors, like Paizo's Pathfinder.

As for whether you should pirate it, something to weigh is that Larian is one of the good guys. This is an offline/single-player capable game, with no MTX.

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Wakmrow 5 points 3 years ago

I mean it's definitely licensed d&d 5e content

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AngryCommieKender 1 point 3 years ago

Ok, so looking into it, WOTC owns the D&D license, which Larian Games had to licence. So, yes it indirectly supports WOTC. They don't own a stake in the game studio, and therefore aren't directly getting revenue from this games sales. They have already received the licencing fees they would be getting for this game. It does however help WOTC since they aren't developing their own 6th edition games currently and keeps D&D relevant so in that way it does support them.

Personally I would find that a morally grey area, and will pirate the game to see if I will buy it on sale.

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UlrikHD 10 points 3 years ago

How is it morally grey? What factors makes it potentially unethical to buy a game from Larian? I don't see an angle that wouldn't immediately imply that it's unethical to buy essentially any large company.

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AngryCommieKender -1 points 3 years ago

It's the keeping D&D as a main part of the hive mind. I love D&D. Have played the first 3 editions. That being said, there are a ton more games out there, and it would be nice to watch D&D "die" again for a few years. See if WOTC is about to pull a TSR

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KitsuneHaiku 3 points 3 years ago

Be careful, at least one version has a bitcoin miner. Look for fitgirl or rune.

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endbringer93 4 points 3 years ago
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DragonTypeWyvern 0 points 3 years ago

The reason is called money

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hkk 8 points 3 years ago

It's one of the best gaming experiences I had in years!

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magic_lobster_party 7 points 3 years ago

Not sure why the author makes a big deal about the game being single player. I’m intending to play it with my friend. Just waiting for his PC upgrade to arrive.

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timespace 8 points 3 years ago

PC upgrade? I play BG3 on steam deck, runs great. I imagine any PC in the last 10 years could run the game well enough.

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magic_lobster_party 10 points 3 years ago

His PC is more than 10 years old lol

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prole 4 points 3 years ago

It runs well on Steam Deck? Damn, was going to wait a month or so for PS5 but if it runs well on Deck... How many fps we talking?

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timespace 2 points 3 years ago

I have it locked at 30 fps out of habit. It runs pretty damn smooth, rarely dipping below 30 fps on medium settings. I haven’t played with any of the settings at all, just locked it to 39 fps and went in my way.

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PoetSII 4 points 3 years ago

Not sure why the author makes a big deal about the game being single player.

Because the majority of capital in the games industry is currently being thrown behind MP-primary/only Games As A Service experiences, and aside from a select few Sony studios, most AAA development is moving away from Single-player

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Unwind2046 3 points 3 years ago

I've really been getting into Sony Studio titles lately, and I hope they continue their trend of pushing games to Steam as PC ports!

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boonhet 1 point 3 years ago

Nobody makes singleplayer games anymore because you only buy them once instead of spending hundreds/thousands over the lifecycle of the game. You're supposed to bend over and take it like a man. For capitalism!

That's why a game like this is so refreshing. A good singleplayer experience that you can also OPTIONALLY share with your friends, and I also intend to do that. I'm literally going to go on Steam and buy two copies now.

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teacs 7 points 3 years ago

Asking as someone who plays DnD 5e, how much of the fun of this game is in playing multiplayer with a consistent party?

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Johmpa 7 points 3 years ago

Me and 3 friends have had a lot of fun with Divinity Original Sin 2 multiplayer. There's usually a lot of shenanigans and fun happenings as a direct effect of having several players bringing their own style to the game.

Just be advised that the experience will not be the same as playing single player. From what I understand the multiplayer experience in BG3 is much improved but I found that when playing with friends in DOS2 that I could not for instance take the time to dive in deep with conversations, quests, lore etc as I would like.

There is also a current issue in that if someone joins your game with a custom character, that character will from then on be a permanent member of the party. You cannot at the moment get rid of them in any way.

Bottom line it is fun, but you should treat it as a separate thing from single player - and definately have a dedicated playthrough for multiplayer.

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Holzkohlen 3 points 3 years ago

I found that when playing with friends in DOS2 that I could not for instance take the time to dive in deep with conversations, quests, lore etc as I would like.

This is also my experience. IMHO BG3 is also more focused on conversations than Divinity 1 and 2 or at least you can focus more on it. You can also just kill everybody of course. For now at least I feel like only a small part of my time with BG3 was in combat. Most of it was exploring and talking to people. I'm sure coop is fun, but I'd rather play is solo.

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Bandananaan 5 points 3 years ago

I spent some time playing 4p at the weekend. Personally, I loved it. It definitely had the feel of a ttrpg session. Your experience will completely come down to who you are playing with

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snert 3 points 3 years ago

Looking up similar questions for DOS2 might help. Different combat base system, but the multiplayer implementation seems to be your main concern.

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JackbyDev 3 points 3 years ago

Just be aware that a lot of the abilities are very different than how they work in 5e and a lot of the descriptions of abilities still need a lot of polishing. I've only tried single player but that's my only gripe.

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Skates 2 points 3 years ago
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DrSleepless 5 points 3 years ago

Waiting on the Xbox release date announcement

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Call_Me_Maple 5 points 3 years ago

I wanna contribute to that number but I've encountered a progression halting glitch. :(

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Hyperi0n -32 points 3 years ago

It's a shame the game is still basically an early access. Exactly why you don't pre-order.

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SpacetimeMachine 13 points 3 years ago

Games this large and complex, with this many systems are always going to have some glitches. Overall this game runs great, and the vast majority of people have not had major issues afaik. Saying it's still "early access" because there is a glitch in it is just ridiculous.

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funktion 8 points 3 years ago

Saying it’s still “early access” because there is a glitch in it is just ridiculous.

By that metric every single game ever released is in early access.

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Hyperi0n 1 point 3 years ago

The game as save ending bugs that were reported during early access. More than enough people are still complaining about these issues.

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Call_Me_Maple -2 points 3 years ago

I actually got this game during early access and dropped it due to something similar.

But yes, never pre-order.

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jackpot 3 points 3 years ago

what is baldurs gate? ive nevet heard of it, skyrim 2.0?

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squidzorz 8 points 3 years ago

Not really. Baldur's Gate is a Dungeons and Dragons based isometric game (camera like Diablo) from the late 90s-early 00s. You control multiple characters at a time and issue orders to attack, use magic, use items, etc. It's much more RPG oriented than Skyrim or other fast-paced ARPGs of today.

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Prethoryn 7 points 3 years ago

Not exactly, though it is RPG it is overhead style and more heavily based on the way Dungeons and Dragons plays. It is a turn based game with RNG elements though not entirely RNG has you influence your experience based on your character build.

It is heavily story focused but friends playing with you is heavily encouraged. No play through is entirely the same and that is the point. While there obvious game play and story elements that will remain the same the idea is to have a different experience each time.

It is absolutely worth playing. There is a bit more freedom and fun by design. It is truly the first larian game that has let me play my first ever character based on childhood imagination growing up as a kid.

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krdo 3 points 3 years ago

Baldur's Gate (the first) is mother of modern CRPG's and what started BioWare. BG3 is arguable the best in it's genre and surpasses Dragon Age: Origins from 2009.

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ClarkDoom 1 point 3 years ago

Definitely not like Skyrim apart from the fantasy setting, the game is narrative driven and everything is handcrafted by the devs. Skyrim has way too much randomly generated stuff to feel as rich as BG3. The game also is based off of dnd rules and is not real time action oriented like Skyrim, when not exploring you do things in a turn based mode and have to manage actions/bonus actions/and spell slots to do things. You also manage a party of 4 players and not just the one you make.

If you get the game and don’t have experience with DnD, definitely watch some battle mechanics videos cuz the game isn’t gonna explain all the nuances you should know to be effective.

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samus12345 3 points 3 years ago

Wasn't sure if I still had a taste for this kind of game, but I'm loving it so far.

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forksandspoons 2 points 3 years ago

Not sure of others having been having issues with steam save file cloud sync but it seems like every other time i try to start the game it hangs on syncing errors. Wonder if it's just me or maybe a bunch of people due to the larger than expected concurrent player number.

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hbocao 6 points 3 years ago

I believe it shouldn't matter how many concurrent users are playing a specific game. Steam's cloud save service is handling dozens of millions of users at any given time.

Sucks it's happening to you, tho :(

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Hamma 2 points 3 years ago

That was happening to me too. I just disabled cloud sync

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bionicjoey 2 points 3 years ago

Imagine making a game so popular that you give Valve's servers the hug of death

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Grant_M 1 point 3 years ago

Getting it for a winter project 🖖🏻

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MeanEYE -1 points 3 years ago

They shouldn't have made always-online option then. I know there's offline mode, but default is online.

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Prethoryn 5 points 3 years ago

What?

Are you referring to a Steam default or the game default?

The game default is single player. You don't have to play online and not will you encounter characters like a MMO.

If you are referring to steam then just switch to offline? That isn't based on the game but the client running your game.

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MeanEYE 1 point 3 years ago

Game is designed to be online by default, even though you don't see it. If you want to play offline you have to go and disable multiplayer. Hence my comment, they shouldn't make something always online if they are not ready for the traffic. If you switch to offline mode some events become unavailable. Although it is praiseworthy that they have enabled it to be played offline.

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twistypencil -2 points 3 years ago

I just got Diablo and Dave the diver!

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zer0 -13 points 3 years ago

closed source spyware, trash

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simple 13 points 3 years ago

Local linux user discovers video games

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simple 7 points 3 years ago

I know of it, but the vast, vast majority of games aren't open source. A lot of them aren't good in comparison to other games, like the Linux community loves bringing up Super Tux Kart and it's just... Bad...

Just because they're closed source doesn't mean they're spyware. They just want full ownership of their work and being able to profit off it.

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BloodForTheBloodGod 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah I love Linux but I'm not about to put 600 hours into open tux cart

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Frogster8 -15 points 3 years ago

Won't even launch for me on steam deck, tried all the proton types, verifying files, restarting the deck, dx11 or vulkan, etc etc.

Nothing.

Incredibly big waste of money and disappointment

Edit : hilarious to be fanboy down voted for stating my experience, get over it

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burnso 14 points 3 years ago
  1. It’ll likely get fixed unless you did something funky to your steam deck that makes it a weird edge case
  2. Steam offers refunds
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TransplantedSconie 11 points 3 years ago

Yeah, they must have done something because it fired right up for me. I've died 30 some times already in my first day (I like to touch things and I'm horrible at making save throws 🙃)

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prole 2 points 3 years ago

How does it run on Steam Deck? I was probably going to wait for PS5, but don't know how the controls will be.

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TransplantedSconie 4 points 3 years ago

Runs great! Took a bit to get the hang of the controls and the battle system, but I'm 10 hours in and it's a fantastic game.

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twotone -10 points 3 years ago

"It works for me so its obviously something you did" is never helpful and often just rude.

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TransplantedSconie 10 points 3 years ago

The number one cause of errors is overwhelmingly operator error.

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SpaceNoodle 8 points 3 years ago

Good point, his Steam Deck probably just needs its aura cleansed.

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Frogster8 -2 points 3 years ago

What could I possibly have done to it, I only use it to play steam games, I bought this game, tried to launch it, and nothing.

Just because you don't experience an issue doesn't mean it's infallible and somebody else isn't.

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burnso 1 point 3 years ago

What I’m saying is that unlike other PCs the steam deck has very few varying factors (out of the box). Meaning, if it works for others, it is likely it could work for you.

I’m not saying anything or anyone is infallible. In fact, I just had a look at proton DB and there are certainly plenty other people with similar problems.

These are good news because Larian has a reputation for supporting and improving their games long after release. These kinks will get ironed out.

And again, if you don’t wish to be an early adopter (which is completely fine), refund it.

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Frogster8 1 point 3 years ago

Buying the game now is not being an early adopter, that's what early access was which I didn't purchase. Additionally, it's fine for it to be fully released AND still not verified on deck or ready for it.

This is also not the case. It is now in full release AND deck verified.

Saying I should refund it if I don't want to be an early adopter is a fallacy of the facts, and is blaming the consumer for the product being in a state lesser than advertised.

I can't understand how you can defend a game that has been in early access, is now in full release, and deck verified, having issues even LAUNCHING on deck. It shows an ignorance of facts and a bias view in favour of the "everything is fine, larian good" view.

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simple 6 points 3 years ago

Have you tried using the --skip-launcher launch parameter? Seems to work with a lot of people with Proton Experimental.

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Frogster8 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, doesn't do anything either for me, it already doesn't use the launcher it goes straight to the larian logo, then nvidia, then crash.

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pyromaniac_donkey -21 points 3 years ago
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CaptFeather 18 points 3 years ago

Fuck that shit. MMOs are an awful grindfest

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pyromaniac_donkey -4 points 3 years ago
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megadork -49 points 3 years ago
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Hyperi0n 7 points 3 years ago

There are a lot of issues with the game but nothing of what you are talking about is true.

Melee combat is OP right now. My paladin can one shot almost everything and takes no damage from missiles.

Dice rolls are random. If you're getting a lot of 1 rolls and 20 rolls then that is just your own personal luck.

Reactions are attacks of opertunity and they exist in the game.

The story is much better than BG 1 or 2. Maybe you're thinking of Planescape. Then you would be correct.

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tebro 4 points 3 years ago

By default dive rolls are not truly random, check out the “karmic dice” setting under gameplay settings.

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DCLXVI -2 points 3 years ago

Larian making a better story than the original BG games? What kind of brain dead opinion is that.

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Glide 7 points 3 years ago
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TheloniusFuegoRhymes 6 points 3 years ago

I think it’s fantastic :) but I’m just a dumb sheep.

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derpysmilingcat 0 points 3 years ago

The other dude who replied to you is an idiot. You're just fine 🙂

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DCLXVI -1 points 3 years ago

Exactly what also ruined Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc. Dumb sheep consuming garbage media bringing ruin to francaise as producers see that they can get away with minimal effort. Thanks for numbering among the billions like yourself.

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megadork -14 points 3 years ago
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ryven 3 points 3 years ago

Wasn't giving everyone bows the optimal strat in BG1 as well? I recall doing much better once I stopped trying to micromanage melee fighters.

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megadork -3 points 3 years ago

Not what I recall from bg1 and 2. But the enemies in those games weren’t always positioned at difficult-to-access locations making it hard to use melee weapons. While using ranged weapons in bg1 and 2 might have made “management” easier for you, you’re at a major disadvantage with melee weapons in bg3 because nearly all enemies will use ranged attacks and they do their best to keep moving away from you. It’s not fun.

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orbitz 4 points 3 years ago

Then run up to them, catch them by surprise so you get a free turn to close the distance, there are options but it is tactically oriented. Also turn down the difficulty is an option, nothing lost by playing on an easier difficulty. If you're in range with a melee character they should get a reaction when an enemy runs away which gives basically a free attack action. I haven't progressed far but it feels like an expected difficulty at normal. Not saying normal is easy but you're only expected to do a few encounters before resting so your casters can perform well.

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BA834024112 2 points 3 years ago

Sounds like it's just not a game for you. The fact that hundreds of thousands are enjoying suggests it is in fact a very good game.

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