Germany is now deporting pro-Palestine EU citizens. This is a chilling new step
2 years ago by psychothumbs to c/germany
I always forget what a cesspool of racism and authoritarianism reddit has become.
I know that there is definitely organized Zionist and organized Russian and other far-right chills on reddit, but it seems they have been quite effective in getting many people to follow them blindly.
Yeah you can really feel the brigading any time you post something even remotely pro-Palestine or anti-Israel over there.
welcome to lemmy :)
Okay, that changes everything and it looks like he/she/they werent telling the full story.
I understand your point, but why post it in a privacy sub?
I was going to say that too. Doesn't seem like the right place to post it.
How could this possibly be unrelated to privacy?
They were not just looking at IDs to look for Turks (which IIRC is the reason they are doing it).. they were scanning everyone’s ID into a centralised system to generally track people’s movement -- even IDs issued by neighboring countries.
Privacy is about control. In this case, the privacy invasion reduces freedom of movement (control over your own travel).
do you happen to have a photo of the incident? i would be curious
i have been ID checked before when travelling from italy to austria by train. As i'm 20-30 year old and was travelling alone, i suspect it was about curbing migration or sth. But they didn't register it in a database.
Not sure why I would need a photo for what has become a common practice in Germany. Taking pics of cops just risks triggering aggression so I would need good reason to do it.
The conspiracy is that they are only being deported for protest when they have been arrested for a number of crimes.
I don't agree with the part about deportation without going through the courts first though.
Sounds like an appropriate response.
So just to make something clear here, because this has been hotly debated in Germany, and people have been doing a disservice to both sides, IMO:
Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
So, the former is usually brought up by people, when arguing this is not a case of just protest, numbers I've seen were something like 100k in damages and threatening people with axes used in the break-in. This is usually used to elicit a response of "Oh, okay, they deserve it then."
Thing is: No matter what they did, they deserve proper legal procedure happening, put in front of a court, and to be considered innocent until proven guilty. The whole deportation rhetoric is being used to create a precedent to suspend the rule of law. It's also clearly used in bad faith, also targeting people that haven't had a home outside of Germany in many years, up to decades.
The whole issue of Palestine is very contentious in Germany, as the article points out, and a tool used to create division, not just in society as a whole, but also specifically to create division within the left. My point being: No matter, if you personally think that these people deserve some big punishment, and that the things done were not okay - if you end up supporting this specific way to get there, you are supporting suspension of law, encroaching a new standard of punishment without trial, and the growth of fascism. It really is a "first they came for" situation, don't ever think that this is implemented by people that won't ultimately also use it against you and your own interests down the line.
I can totally understand Germany feeling obligated to help relatives of a population they genocided. But helping them while they genocide other people should be a red line.
Yeah the German attitude of "we genocided these people in the past therefore it's our obligation to help them genocide other people" is pretty odd.
Please note not every German shares the same opinion on topics.
Germany is a democracy and their policy reflects the will of its people.
Sadly the truth. But when your only point of contact with the genocide is hearing IDF propaganda press releases on the news once a day it's not surprising.
Not to mention they would benefits from that sweet weapon industry money. 3 billions for the last 20 years
tl;dr: no.
Long version: Those profits most likely go to the Top 1‰ and we get nothing from it. Quite the opposite, in fact: Recently parliament removed the debt limit on defense spending (because Rheinmetal & Co. keep buying our politicians[1]). So now more money, that could go into crumbling infrastructure, will go to the pockets of those war proffiteurs.
We spend more money on our military than france and aren't even able to guarantee combat readiness. Meanwhile they were able to partipitate in multiple international law violating wars.
So no, we do not benifit from the sweet death weapon industry.
Exactly because they are a democracy, all people are allowed not to share the same opinion.
Yeah why our government sends weapons despite recent developments is beyond me. The Israeli government crossed the red line over a year ago. Instead of focussing on Hamas and saving the hostages, they decided to commit war crimes.
Dude where the fuck am I supposed to even migrate to?
Austria? Maybe Switzerland? Maybe Ireland....
Ireland never genocided anyone.
Oh but wait, who was there before Celtic people arrived?
If you are against the existence of Israel, support Hamas or against a two state solution, don't come to Germany or Austria. You wont be welcome here.
Btw. Most Germans support a Palestinian state and an end to the war, but also Israel's right to existence.
Germany are not the moral bastions you are portraying them as. Calling human rights supporters terrorists while you cosy up to genocidal regimes is plainly dishonest.
Germany doesn't allow hate speech like the US does. And Hamas arent human rights supporters.
- Israel is at least as dangerous as Hamas.
- Those protesters are not hamas.
- Please argue in good faith.
So this is a huge fallacy. Yes, they allow it - they just censor your ability to say what you want freely. By creating decency laws you can keep people snitching on each other, this just allows an in for exploitation.
Difference? Germany is small and can rationally govern their people. Yet for some reason, it wants to know your private messages.
Stop fighting over petty lines that do not even define you, and if they do - I am sorry the material realm has captured the value of your contentment.
Hamas supporters are not human rights supporters though, that is absolute. Hamas is a terrorist organization - it is currently the hired lot of goons to wage against Israel. Israel however has been so antagonistic and down-right evil enough so that the Palestinians invite an agent of change.
Especially when Hamas was propped up by Israel, even with it being the bigger instigator of the Palestinian provisional governments.
I delete your comment since your account is 2 hours old and we had to deal with another sock puppet in this thread already. And we need no Goodwin's Law here.
Good job mods! Saying “if you oppose a genocidal state you are not welcome in my country” is okay. Saying “if you support a genocidal state you are not welcome in my country” is NOT okay. We should support genocide! Thank you for clarifying your position.
Likud and Otzma are against a two state solution. That doesn't mean all Israelis are against though. And the international community can put pressure on Israel to enforce a two state solution. Most Germans support a two state solution.
Israel is against a two state solution.
Please edit your comment in such a way that it doesn't seem like your opinion was that an country, a nation and a government all are the same. I will delete the comment within 20mins if you won't do it, becaus this thread tends to be less fact-based than it should be.
This isnt a synchronous communications scheme where you can assume the user is there to read your comment within a certain time frame. I see you using these time deadline schemes with several people. Does it ever work?
I support the nuclear annihilation of Palestine (region) so we don't even have a holy site to fight over. /j
And this is more about me not wanting to be deported back to my own nation
That joke was in pretty bad taste.
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