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NoneOfUrBusiness 94 points 2 years ago

Arresting officials from the ruling government of one of your closest allies is... definitely a strat. Good job Israel, looking forward to more self-owns in the future.

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ohulancutash -75 points 2 years ago

They are not government officials.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 70 points 2 years ago

Uh... what? They're literally Members of Parliament.

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Viri4thus 46 points 2 years ago

You fell for another redirect, this is a known tactic from the IDF on socials. They derail arguments by focusing on minutia and semantics to keep people from noticing that the neo nazis just arrested two members of government of one of their biggest allies because they considered they were going to document the ongoing genocide.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 2 points 2 years ago

I don't think this person is a Zionist. They're too... human, for lack of a better word. Or maybe I'm biased because their aside was interesting and not effective if it was intended as a derailment tactic.

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ohulancutash -19 points 2 years ago

Jackbooted stormtrooper of a neo-fascist apartheid ethnostate, or person fed up with yanks mislabelling British politicians because they think everyone runs things like they do. Who can tell? It’s a fine line.

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ohulancutash -27 points 2 years ago

Not the same thing. MPs are classed as frontbench and backbench. The Prime Minister can employ up to 140 MPs and Lords as ministers. This is the government, and forms the frontbench of the governing party. Non-government MPs of the governing party are backbenchers.

Both these MPs are backbenchers. They hold no office in the government, have little more influence on policy than any other member of the Labour Party.

There are strict separations between government and Parliament, a principle known as dual sovereignty. In some areas Parliament is sovereign, and in others (such as treaties, wars, most foreign policy) the King is sovereign, delegating his power to the Cabinet. So parliamentary powers are not government powers.

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lazynooblet 33 points 2 years ago

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. They are government officials. Members of parliament. Your distinction between front and back benchers is accurate but off topic.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 16 points 2 years ago

I was using government in the broad sense (under which a Congressman would be a US government official) but fair enough.

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avidamoeba 55 points 2 years ago

* Nothing to see here, move along. *

How would they spread anti-Israel hatred by recording security procedures, if the security procedures are above board? I really don't understand Israel's officials anymore. Surely they are aware how shit like this looks outside of Israel. Are they just high on their own hasbara supply?

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crank0271 23 points 2 years ago

When "anyone I don't like" is "Hamas"

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NoneOfUrBusiness 23 points 2 years ago

Are they just high on their own hasbara supply?

Israeli behavior makes a lot more sense when you realize that they're fascists. Israel has been fascist for at least 75 years, so them being divorced from reality is nothing unexpected.

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Semjaza 1 point 2 years ago

Give Israel some credit, Ben Gurion wasn't a fascist, despite his problems - but also you could understand where he was coming from.

It's really from the 70s on when Israel moved from problematic and apatheidy into the full on genocidal regime we see today.

The watershed moment, not surprisingly, being the assassination of Rabin.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 2 points 2 years ago

Give Israel some credit, Ben Gurion wasn't a fascist, despite his problems - but also you could understand where he was coming from.

Huh? How is the Nakba anything other than the work of fascists? Remember that the only reason the death toll in the Nakba was "only" a little north of ten thousand people was because Israelis didn't have the weapons of mass destruction they have today and Palestinians weren't stuck in an open air concentration camp. Fundamentally what the IDF was doing in 1948 isn't much different from what it's doing today, and you should look up what they were doing to Palestinians within their borders until the six-day war.

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Semjaza 2 points 2 years ago

The Nakba was a tragedy, and Ben has his role in that along with all the other high ups in the various paramilitary forces. The IDF didn't exist then, though it does trace its routes back to those paramilitary groups.

That Ben G worked to limit their power once the nation was formed is a mark against him being a fascist to me, and he didn't go as hard on violent struggle as the meaning of life as full fasc-fascism does.

Violent, racist, and did bad things yes (and genocidal to boot!). I don't think that auto-makes fascist.

As for what was being done pre-Six Day War I'm going to guess pogroms, murders, and forced sterilisation. So I'll go back up and add genocidal to it. Doesn't make him fascist though, unless we're making it a synonym for genocidist.

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Viking_Hippie 21 points 2 years ago

Surely they are aware how shit like this looks outside of Israel.

Nope. They've gotten so used to the West automatically taking them at their word that their ability to even TRY to make their lies plausible has atrophied.

Are they just high on their own hasbara supply?

Yup! North Korea has nothing on these guys when it comes to state propaganda.

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SpicyLizards 23 points 2 years ago

Funny that some yahoo can travel Europe despite ICC, yet the cleary barely trained genocide army kids targets what gets them off unchecked.

Fucking joke of a country (if it wasn't so destructive).

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filister 23 points 2 years ago

There is a reason why Israel is not allowing any international media to enter Gaza or the West Bank. They simply want to control the narrative there.

They are also against any independent international investigations and so far none of their investigations have led to effective sentences.

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kreskin 16 points 2 years ago

Thats fine, the civilized world should not let Israelis travel freely then if thats their governments actions.

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WhatYouNeed 4 points 2 years ago

Israel gets around this by stealing New Zealand passports.

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corsicanguppy 16 points 2 years ago

It's time to recall all citizens in the terrorist regime and send messengers from the Secure Air Shipping for those missing.

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njm1314 14 points 2 years ago

What other country could get away with this you have to wonder. Like if Jordan had done this what would happen? If it was Eritrea? Chad? Would any of them be able to do this with impunity?

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Doctor_Satan 8 points 2 years ago

Countdown to the UK government apologizing to Israel over this in 5... 4... 3...

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technocrit 3 points 2 years ago

British imperialism created the zio terror regime. A century later the blowback is reaching their politicians.

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HK65 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, but these people or the current UK government is not the people who started that shitshow. Happened quite a while ago.

That said, they are still on the hook for continuing to support it and not even denouncing it.

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WorldsDumbestMan -1 points 2 years ago

Nuke them, straight up! Forget the niceties and trying to do the right thing. Just fuck em!

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