That Americans have to pay to survive in any capacity- food, healthcare, shelter... it's the sign of a sick society. My daughter asked me why we have to pay a bill to get water in and sewage out of our house instead of just have that be a government thing. She's only 13 and even she realizes capitalism is fucked up.
FlyingSquid 32 points 3 years ago
knivesandchives 7 points 3 years ago
That's not empirically true. I pay for water as a flat rate in Quebec as part of my municipal taxes, as do all of my neighbors, and I don't see people engaging in flagrant water wastage. Lawns routinely go yellow during the hottest parts of the summer, I rarely see people washing their cars, and low flush toilets are getting increasingly common.
FlyingSquid 5 points 3 years ago
A private company handles our water and sewage.
dx1 0 points 3 years ago
There's a little bit of nuance here, "for profit" isn't the same as "for greed". Organizations of any kind - corps, non-profits, governments - have to remain essentially "solvent" or "profitable" to even operate - they can't function just perpetually burning through resources. A medical org, even one that's a "corporation", can run a profit but not be governed by greed (though obviously that's not the case everywhere right now).
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Killerqu00 11 points 3 years ago
slavery is (by definition) an ownership of a person. Robots are not people nor beings with intelligence.
littlecolt 48 points 3 years ago
Every day when I get off work and I go to a local gas station, I see them throw away a bunch of prepared food that passed shelf life. This is a chain, so hundreds of locations do this every day. Tons of food per year, tossed in the trash because it sat in the heat box too long.
Imagine how many people could eat that food. It makes me upset.
4lan 27 points 3 years ago
I worked at a Dunkin for a summer and they had us throwing away two large trash bags full of food every night. It had to be 50lbs of food.
I started giving donuts to teenagers and an elderly Asian man that was always ecstatic to get a big bag of donuts and bagels. I didn't have a car to transport it to a shelter, and this was in a rich area. It was disgusting
littlecolt 22 points 3 years ago
I once tried to buy a rye loaf from a local grocery store and the cashier couldn't ring it up because it was one day expired. I said it looked fine to me, but she said the system won't even let her.
So I said okay, don't ring it up, just give it to me.
Another guy jumped in and took it, said no, it had to be thrown away.
They were literally not allowed to give me trash I was willing to pay for.
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kvinayak99 6 points 3 years ago
May be they are avoiding getting sued. If someone gets sick. Especially junk food, which is unhealthy to begin with
Barbarian 6 points 3 years ago
Italy made it illegal for supermarkets to throw away food and forces them to donate it. It's not perfect, but it's better than wasting truckloads of food every day because they didn't sell it in time.
DadVolante 5 points 3 years ago
This has been long debunked. Laws have passed that protect owners from this.
I used to work in a sandwich shop that made it's own bread fresh daily. At the end of every day the owner started donating the leftover bread and explained how it's an urban myth.
People just don't like to share.
protist 41 points 3 years ago
There are serious ethical problems with a capitalist system, especially when it comes to the necessities of life, but there's also ample evidence that other economic systems in practice have been just as bad of not worse regarding food security, eg follow the history of the USSR from the Holodomor in the 1930s to empty grocery shelves and bread lines in the 1980s
fidodo 18 points 3 years ago
I view the problem as us treating a tool as a system of government. Capitalism is an incredibly powerful tool for increasing efficiency (real capitalism as in a healthy free market, not monopoly bullshit). But we should be using that tool to our benefit, not having that tool use us. We can use it as a tool without it being our basis of society. Also, capitalism is not self regulating. That's a bullshit myth created by elite monopolists. Unchecked capitalism leads to monopolies and monopolies are the antithesis of capitalism. We used to know that. We used to bust monopolies. We need to learn when and when not to use capitalism. Certain things need to be monopolies. Like transportation and the power grid. Since healthy competition cannot prosper we cannot make them capitalistic. We already need to recognize that capitalism is a tool for us to use. It's ok to break capitalism in special circumstances for the greater good, because the good of the people is more important than perpetuating capitalism. I think abolishing it leads to apathy and inefficiency, but worshipping it leads to inhumanity, and we're not even worshipping it properly because again, monopolies are not capitalism. Like all things in life it's about balance.
symcal 6 points 3 years ago
No system be it either communism or capitalism can be applied 100%
If we compare today's capitalism it's only fair that we compare it to real world application of communism.
As a Pole that was raised in a country freshly out of this system I can only tell you that you would have to be mentally insane to ever consider communism and expect it to work even half as well is it should on paper.
gmtom 6 points 3 years ago
But that's not a "real world application of communism" in fact in reality the USSR never even claimed to actually be a communist society, they were just ruled by the communist party.
Communism has a specific definition, primarily its a post scarcity society, with no centralised government or monetary system. So any system that doesn't meet that basic definition can't be called communism.
Much like we don't use places like the Democratic people's Republic of Korea as an example of ehy democracy is bad, because its not actually a democracy, it doesn't meet the basic definition of democracy.
You can argue its an example of socialism, but it would be more accurate to describe it as authoritarianism because without democracy a state owned system can't really be called socialism.
Shardikprime 0 points 3 years ago
Venezuelan here, how has been your experience on lemmy so far while discussing your real life experience of what leftists advocate for? Mine has been less than stellar
fidodo -2 points 3 years ago
Yes, as with all things it must be balanced. Also, I wish we could recognize that monopolies are not capitalism, it's just cronyism and there's no place for that. It's the antithesis of capitalism and it plagues communism too. It's just pure corruption.
hopelessbyanxiety 2 points 3 years ago
i thought monopoly is just the natural development in a competition, which (the competition) is pretty relevant in any market economy. I mean, an alt history line could have every monopoly in the market being prevented by gov regulation. But that would require gov that's not payed in any way by the 1%, who benefit from inexistent competition, to serve its own interest. That's really far from today's reality, in most countries i guess.
mister_monster -15 points 3 years ago
You know you guys are a meme out here in the real world, right?
mister_monster 0 points 3 years ago
Lol burn
Glitchington 3 points 3 years ago
Okay but like, at least understand why the shelves were empy. Behind the Bastards had a great podcast on the matter. Bad science is bad science, no matter how you trade.
protist 1 point 3 years ago
What Lysenko did and the magnitude of it was enabled by and is inextricable from the Soviet systems of government and economy:
Lysenko's success at encouraging farmers to return to working their lands impressed Stalin, who also approved of Lysenko's peasant background, as Stalin claimed to stand with the proletariat. By the late 1920s, the USSR's leaders had given their support to Lysenko. This support was a consequence, in part, of policies put in place by the Communist Party to rapidly promote members of the proletariat into leadership positions in agriculture, science and industry. Party officials were looking for promising candidates with backgrounds similar to Lysenko's: born of a peasant family, without formal academic training or affiliations to the academic community. Due to close partnership between Stalin and Lysenko, Lysenko acquired an influence over genetics in the Soviet Union during the early and mid twentieth century. Lysenko eventually became the director of Genetics for the Academy of Sciences in 1940, which gave him even more control over genetics. He remained in the position for more than two decades, throughout the reigns of Stalin and Nikita Khruschchev, until he was relieved of his duties in 1965.
sverit 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah, the problems are just different. A mixed form would be ideal, where basic needs would be handled socially and the rest may compete in a capitalist way. The difficulty is where to draw the line exactly.
DadVolante 2 points 3 years ago
Food.
Shelter.
Education.
Healthcare.
I miss anything?
Lucidlethargy 30 points 3 years ago
"There's an egg shortage!"
> High egg prices send profits at largest US producer soaring more than 700%
disinterested_a_hole 2 points 3 years ago
Are you the least bit aware of what caused the egg shortage? There was a super virulent strain of avian influenza (bird flu) that has the potential to infect wild birds and to jump to mammals. You know, like people. The same thing triggered the pandemic in 1918 that killed anywhere from 1% - 5% of the world population.
So to avoid that happening again, they had to destroy (slaughter) millions and millions of egg laying hens, which yes, caused a shortage of eggs relative to normal.
There are real issues that need to be addressed with capitalism and workers rights. This isn't one of them and you hurt the real arguments by not educating yourself.
disinterested_a_hole -1 points 3 years ago
Do you think it's free to replace millions of hens?
WraithPriest 6 points 3 years ago
If they've paid to replace them, that's a cost, not a profit.
mojofrododojo -7 points 3 years ago
it’s already non profitable to feed people
what a goofy thing to lie about. every restaurant and grocer in the world is just losing profits daily?
lol......Nope.
Between 2021 and 2022, the food and beverage industry recorded more than $155 billion in profits, according to Forbes. Nestlé, the world's largest food company, increased its gross profits last year by almost 3 percent to $46 billion.
logistics are certainly part of it, but not the crux. we produce way more food in the US than we consume, then we have laws against giving it away. https://time.com/4463449/food-waste-laws/
It's a complex problem, but profit is not the issue. Plenty of parties are making WILD profits.
OutOfMemory 18 points 3 years ago
That's just the point though. Food is only made profitable by pricing it high enough that half the world can't afford it (by which I mean the global south)
Not_Alec_Baldwin 3 points 3 years ago
Don't forget farm subsidies, illegal labor in awful conditions, terrible animal treatment, externalizing climate damage from carbon burned during processing and transport, health damage from added sugars and hyper processed nut and seed oils, and I'm sure many other things I'm forgetting.
mojofrododojo 0 points 3 years ago
@sigfried complained it's not profitable. that's a lie.
your secondary concerns aren't addressed by my response because it wasn't the premise I was disagreeing with, it's the lie that food production isn't profitable. it is.
IT SHOULDN'T NEED TO BE.
These are separate arguments.
mojofrododojo -1 points 3 years ago
put a bit more effort into not lying and I'll leave it be.
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Kes 15 points 3 years ago
Food production is one of the very few things the US government has been handling well. We give out tens of billions in subsidies to farmers every year to artificially inflate the food supply and have a nationwide SNAP program to help low income families afford food. As a result, we produce far more food than we actually need and far more than we would in a free market, allowing the US to be a major exporter of food globally and ensuring we have enough redundancy built into our food supply that the US will be the last country to starve in a famine
Hypersapien 4 points 3 years ago
Then why are there food deserts in the US?
InternetCitizen2 6 points 3 years ago
Ultimately more of a city design and distribution issue rather than production. Notjustifying just contextualizing.
QuadratureSurfer 1 point 3 years ago
I don't think a food desert means what you think it means...
Are you trying to say that we should rate food production of the US based on how many grocery stores we have in residential areas?
In the end a food desert really just means you have to drive a little farther to get to the store.
dragonflyteaparty 0 points 3 years ago
A little further implies a minor inconvenience as if it's not a real problem. No, food production shouldn't be tied to number of grocery stores. Not sure how you think they're implying that. It is a logistical problem that could be solved if people weren't more worried about profit than human needs and suffering. Zoning laws probably also play a role.
SamboT -2 points 3 years ago
Because the USA is huge and has areas that are more remote? Providing abundance to areas by certain priorities such as population still allows food deserts to exist.
I mean I guess I could be wrong but are we really going to talk about the food distribution system like we know about it?
disinterested_a_hole 1 point 3 years ago
Cheese is a good way to stockpile milk. Milk spoils, cheese does too but much more slowly.
nomadjoanne 13 points 3 years ago
Labor has not conquered scarcity. Dear lord.
willeypete23 19 points 3 years ago
It actually has. The U.S. produces enough food to feed the entire world three times over. It's a matter of distribution and no one is going to invest in that because it's not profitable. .
FilthyShrooms 7 points 3 years ago
We grow enough corn to feed the whole world and then some, but we use it to feed cows and chicken in inhumane enviroments for "better food".
Not a vegetarian or anything, just pointing out the awful nature of the meat industry
z3rOR0ne -1 points 3 years ago
I generally agree, but the industrial corn grown in the us actually isnt really all that edible. Like yes, you can eat it, but it tastes like sawdust. It was grown specifically to be processed.
Zoboomafoo -13 points 3 years ago
Just because there's a lot of it doesn't mean it isn't scarce
WraithPriest 13 points 3 years ago
Please expand
Schadrach 1 point 3 years ago
This is essentially the "anything finite is scarce" argument. Since there isn't an actually unlimited amount of food available it's still scarce even if there's more of it than humans can use.
Shardikprime 2 points 3 years ago
I'll tell you hwat
samus12345 12 points 3 years ago
Okay, but why this image?
AngryCommieKender 10 points 3 years ago
Because Bobby Hill is a based commie. Why did you think Hank was always yelling?
walnutwalrus 9 points 3 years ago
feeding people can be profitable though because then they can work (labor) to make more food
TotallynotJessica 7 points 3 years ago
It might be profitable for society, but not for an individual capitalist.
blady_blah 7 points 3 years ago
I really don't get why we don't have "meal bars" or "human food" yet. Something that covers all basic calorie and nutritional requirements, can be mass produced, and easily stored at room temperature. Like "dog food" but for humans.
The real choice should be a normal meal or a "meal bar", not a normal meal or starving.
vertigo3pc 6 points 3 years ago
Automation can conquer scarcity and reduce the amount of labor needed. People starve because we don't take steps to ensure our man-made economy doesnt suffer even a single dollar loss.
TotallynotJessica 6 points 3 years ago
It's capitalism vs government programs that can feed the starving, not capitalism vs anything else. That was an era before the modern state. We're talking about with today's systems, not with systems that are no longer relevant.
Also, self sustaining communities shared food with their own at numerous points in history. People were giving food to eachother for the common good long before Karl Marx.
TotallynotJessica 2 points 3 years ago
True, but I was trying to highlight relying on capitalism to feed people, vs using government programs at all. I didn't mean to imply that they are mutually exclusive.
Shardikprime 4 points 3 years ago
Good King of the hill memes are like food in Soviet Russia: not everybody gets it
MrShankles 2 points 3 years ago
Under "-isms": "-isms" must manufacture "it" to justify their existence.
'There is a man, a certain man And for the poor, you may be sure That he'll do all he can Who is this one, who's favourite son
Just by his action has the traction Magnets on the run Who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke And wouldn't get a bit upset if he were really broke
With wealth and fame He's still the same I'll bet you five you're not alive If you don't know his name'
Schlubbins 1 point 3 years ago
It feels like most posts talking about "capitalism" are just talking about society as a whole.
Farmers don't work for free.
littlecolt 10 points 3 years ago
Absolutely, and we subsidize them to help with that.
potopato 5 points 3 years ago
At least in my country (Europe), farmers receive very little money but food is getting more expensive. Is the great chains of supermarkets that profits in that difference, so it's definitely a capitalism problem.
Even the CEO of the biggest supermarket here recognized that they had rise the prices to make more profit even when they didn't need to do it.
disinterested_a_hole 1 point 3 years ago
Except that's not really true. Western nations donate millions of tons of wheat and other food to poor nations and those hit by drought and other natural disasters.
Gxost 1 point 3 years ago
Anything is done to make profit. Otherwise people wouldn't have desired a salary increase. Not selling food is not profitable, so food producers don't want people to starve, they want food to be sold. People can starve if they have no money, which should be solved by the government, or they can starve because there is no enough food in the country or region, which should be solved by the government too.
solstice -2 points 3 years ago
When its not profitable to feed people, we let them starve
As opposed to our hunter gatherer days, or subsistence agriculture days, where everyone just lounged around leisurely? Name one time in human history where life was not filled with hard work. You just said it yourself: our labor has conquered scarcity. Labor! I fucking hate this meme, jfc.
solstice 1 point 3 years ago
Humans have had to work to feed themselves under every -ism ever tried. It's wrong to sit here blaming capitalism. This meme is just plain old dumb. Happy to discuss further if you actually want a conversation on good faith.
FlyingSquid 8 points 3 years ago
Under capitalism, food is wasted, food that burned a lot of fossil fuels to produce. Capitalism is destroying the biosphere.
ZzyzxRoad 2 points 3 years ago
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That would be for 2021. Not sure if stats would be out for 2022 yet.
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mister_monster -21 points 3 years ago
Good, now find me an example of a famine in a capitalist system, because I can find you an example in every instance of every other system tried.
mister_monster -17 points 3 years ago
Those were both feudalism, where the king owns all economic output and does wyat he wants with it, much like communism in practice.
mister_monster -6 points 3 years ago
Really? Capitalism is a system in which the king controls all economic resources and output?
mister_monster -4 points 3 years ago
I think communism is an economic system where resource distribution (including labor) is centrally controlled by the state. That's a lot like feudalism, except you don't call the supreme leader who became supreme by killing his rivals "king".
eestileib 3 points 3 years ago
England has explicitly had a non-autocratic king since 1215, the idea that the King of England "owned everything" is ahistorical.
Do some research on the British East India Company before you're so sure about how things worked in India. It was the first multinational, and it ran India as a profit center.
One thing I find interesting about your comments is that you're using a very Marxist framework to talk about pre-capitalist modes of organization (which is reductionist and partly why he is not taken seriously as a sociologist in most settings).
sunbytes 16 points 3 years ago
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Seeing as how most countries are capitalist, googling "what countries are experiencing famine?" is a good start.
Not seeing any communists (or socialists) on there.
mister_monster -10 points 3 years ago
The literal first country on that list is DRC lol do you know the history of DRC?
Literally every other place on the list is in the midst of a civil war except Haiti and Afghanistan. Every single one of them by the way is not currently in a state of famine.
sunbytes 6 points 3 years ago
"Famine is severe and prolonged hunger in a substantial proportion of the population of a region or country, resulting in widespread and acute malnutrition and death by starvation and disease."
It seems like they are in a state of famine by the official definition.
What does a civil war have to do with it being Capitalist or not?
Just find a big list of countries that are currently experiencing famine and look for the ones that aren't at war, if that's a problem for you.
I doubt their Capitalist status will be different.
mister_monster -10 points 3 years ago
In the page you linked, it says that some states are "bordering on a state of famine", which would imply that they are not currently in a state of famine. Did you read what you linked?
gmtom 12 points 3 years ago
The Irish potato famine, the bengal famines, both under the rule of the UK, easily one of the most heavily capitalist countries at the time.
As well as Bangladesh, Biafra famine, Burma rice crisis, 1950 Canadian famine, Darfur famine, 1904 Spanish famine, 1878 Alaskan Famine, 1867 Swedish famine, 1816 European famine, 1811 Spanish famine, or the dozens of other massive famines in India that killed millions, or the dozen or so Austrian Galicia famines, or the dozen famines in pre communist China or the famines in pre communist Russia.
Anyone that actually believes famine is a problems that is unique to "communism" or doesn't exist in capitalism are either ignorant or just a troll.
mister_monster -7 points 3 years ago
So, I just randomly selected one of your examples that you vomited to see what it was, the 1878 Alaskan famine because wow, that's a US state right, that's definitely capitalist no doubt about it, a famine in Alaska? I've never heard of that, this guy must have a point...
It's an oral tradition of the yupik people, a hunting tribe who lost ~1000 people due to "bad hunting conditions." Capitalism? Why is it you guys always have to make arguments in bad faith? I personally think it's because youre all full of shit, but maybe you have a different reason?
Famine isn't a problem unique to communism, I never said it was, way to move the goalposts BTW, I only claimed that you won't find a famine anywhere in the world due to capitalism. Famine is a problem almost always caused by governments interfering in the natural distribution of resources. So for example, pre communist China under an emperor. Famine is a problem solved by free markets and present wherever resource distribution is centrally controlled, for example in feudalism, inside colonies under imperialism, communism etc.
mister_monster -4 points 3 years ago
Yeah, I'd say famine in for example Vietnam during the civil war would've been due to the war. Cambodia under pol pot, no, holodomor no, north Korea is in a technical state of war but is not currently engaged in any fighting so no, can't blame that ongoing famine on war when there hasn't been fighting in 60 years. Yes, I'm consistent.
gmtom 2 points 3 years ago
Okay, it's pretty obvious you're just a troll with too much time on his hands now that school is out for the summer (I suggest spending your time outside instead, maybe try making some friends).
But before I disengage, for the sake of anyone else reading this (because it's clear you won't take on board anything anyone else says) that.
A market economy is not unique to capitalism, socialism relies on a market economy and can even be the mythical """free""" market capitalist like to rant about. As well as feudalism and basically any other economic system really.
A free market does not solve famine. Put 2 seconds of thought into it and you'll see that. For example say after a bad harvest there is just enough food to feed everyone on rations, but the local rich guy doesn't want to eat a ration amount, so he uses his boat loads of cash to buy shitload of food and has a luxurious feast for himself. The free market is perfectly happy with this, even though it now means some people are not going to starve to death as the rich man bought their share of the food.
This scales up to events like the great Irish famine, where food grown in Ireland was sold off to Britian despite people in Ireland literally starving to death, because the British had the money to pay for it and the Irish didn't.
Or the same with the bengal famine. Where Britain was able to procure Australian grain due to go to India because they wanted it for the Greeks, so they used the free market, paid more for it than the Indians were going to and now it belongs to the UK instead of starving bengalis.
In times of famine, central distribution of food is by far the better option (assuming those in power actually want to help)
mister_monster -1 points 3 years ago
The number 2 point doesn't hold water though, bad harvests happen but people are free to put their land to use remedying that, and incentivized with no administrative overhead.
The Irish potato famine was not the result of purchases, it was the result of planned food production not panning out, same in Bengal, I happen to have experience there, it's (dare I say) the most fertile ground on earth, if they were reliant on food import it can only be due to mismanagement of land which again, doesnt occur without central planning.
Point 1, find me a communist country ever that had anything resembling a free market, or even a foundational communist writing that discusses them with anything but disdain.
mister_monster -1 points 3 years ago
Yep. Tell me about the dust bowl.
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Benghandhi 31 points 3 years ago
Tasty food exists. Checkmate, libs.
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JayDee 19 points 3 years ago
I don't know, dude. My mom baked rubarb pies all the time and my grandma made a mean chicken and dumplings. Pretty sure people make good food regardless of the economic system they live under.
You're probably talking about junk food, I'm guessing?
Frog-Brawler 19 points 3 years ago
It’s not an argument. It’s what happens. When people don’t purchase all of the food that places are selling, it ends up in dumpsters rather than going to hungry people. Go to any chain restaurant place that sells baked goods and check their dumpster at night.
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Frog-Brawler 13 points 3 years ago
Nah, that was definitely the point of the meme.
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FlyingSquid 13 points 3 years ago
"People go to elite private schools, therefore we shouldn't have public ones."
"People live in mansions, therefore we shouldn't have housing assistance."
"People get high paychecks, therefore we shouldn't have welfare."
The conservative mindset, ladies and gentlemen.
Anti_Weeb_Penguin 6 points 3 years ago
Bro eats mcdonalds 💀💀💀
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Frittiert 10 points 3 years ago
"Communists do not have spices!"
Well that's an argument I haven't read before. Yeah, we let people suffer and die because they cannot buy food, but our system has no alternatives because.. we have spices. Sorry, you have to die poor, my food neeeds spices.
FlyingSquid 3 points 3 years ago
What are you talking about? Vietnamese food is delicious. So is Cuban food. There's a reason why there's a ton of Vietnamese Pho and Cuban food restaurants in the U.S.
I used to live in the San Fernando Valley in L.A. and there was a Cuban bakery in Burbank, which was probably the most popular bakery in the Valley. Huge lines. My wife once waited two hours to get me a tres leches cake for my birthday.
So, again, what are you talking about?
verdigris 2 points 3 years ago
So clearly the alternative is to let the rich drive species into extinction to eat something rare, while the poor don't even get flavorless gruel without justifying their existence.
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You are not encouraged to do so, but you may post screenshots from these sites IF THE INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE ON ANOTHER VALID PLATFORM. Screenshots must include info to support a relevant conversation within this community and must show a VISIBLE time/date stamp for posterity. If you are caught manipulating content of a screenshot, your post will be removed and you will receive an indefinite ban from this community at the discretion of the moderator(s)
No pass through/archive services are allowed as they potentially feed traffic back to these services, directly or indirectly (e.g. Services like Xcancel or Nitter)
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Date Created: June 21, 2023
This community supports labor, with an aspiration for it to cease to be required to live our lives. Members of this community want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and/or want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.
Anti-Work Library 📚
Essential Reads
Start here! Some of the more talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
- On the Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber (2013) | listen
- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
c/Antiwork Rules
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1. Server Main Rules
The main rules of the server will be enforced stringently. https://lemmy.world/
2. No spam or reposts + limit off topic comments
Spamming posts will be removed. Reposts will be removed with the exception of a repost becoming the main hub for discussion on that topic.
Off topic comments that do not pertain to the post at hand may be removed if it is deemed they contribute nothing and/or foster hostility at users. This mostly applies to political and religious debate, but can be applied to other things at the mod’s discretion.
3. Post must have Antiwork/ Work Reform explicitly involved
Post must have Antiwork/Work Reform explicitly involved in some capacity. This can be talking about antiwork, work reform, laws, and ext.
4. Educate don’t attack
No mocking, demeaning, flamebaiting, purposeful antagonizing, trolling, hateful language, false accusation or allegation, or backseat moderating is allowed. Don’t resort to ad hominem attacks against another user or insult other people, examples of violations would be going after the person rather than the stance they take.
If we feel the comment is uncalled for we will remove it. Stay civil and there won’t be problems.
5. No Advertising
Under no circumstance are you allowed to promote or advertise any product or service
6. No factually misleading information
Content that makes claims or implications that can be proven false or misleading will be removed.
7. Headlines
If the title of the post isn’t an original title of the article then the first thing in the body of the post should be an original title written in this format “Original title: {title here}”.
8. Staff Discretion
Staff can take disciplinary action on offenses not listed in the rules when a community member's actions or general conduct creates a negative experience for another player and/or the community.
It is impossible to list every example or variation of the rules. It is also impossible to word everything perfectly. Players are expected to understand the intent of the rules and not attempt to "toe the line" or use loopholes to get around the intent of the rule.
9. No posting links to Twitter/X or Meta owned properties
Social Media products such as Twitter/X and Meta Properties (e.g. Facebook, Instagram, Threads) are known low quality information sources - they actively spread misinformation without sufficient moderation, hate speech. These platforms each have billionaire owners working actively to eliminate labor protections through direct action, lobbying, performative large scale layoffs and attacks on institutions that enforce labor law.
You are not encouraged to do so, but you may post screenshots from these sites IF THE INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE ON ANOTHER VALID PLATFORM. Screenshots must include info to support a relevant conversation within this community and must show a VISIBLE time/date stamp for posterity. If you are caught manipulating content of a screenshot, your post will be removed and you will receive an indefinite ban from this community at the discretion of the moderator(s)
No pass through/archive services are allowed as they potentially feed traffic back to these services, directly or indirectly (e.g. Services like Xcancel or Nitter)
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