I guess it depends on how many nuclear weapons MS-13 has.
Who should americans be more concerned about: MS-13 or Russia?
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ExtremeDullard 59 points a year ago
Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost - the "homegrown" criminal gang.
Seriously, had you heard about MS-13 before Trump?
GrumpyDuckling 2 points a year ago
Glorifying gang culture was really popular in the 90's-2000's so I was definately slightly aware of ms-13 from someplace. Maybe law and order or some other show mentioned it. I was never really aware of DT until he ran for president.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 1 point a year ago
Yes
It was probably one of the few buttons america even had before trump.
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
ExtremeDullard 12 points a year ago
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
E-xactly.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 32 points a year ago
We count that as russia.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 16 points a year ago
We do
BussyGyatt 2 points a year ago
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1rre -1 points a year ago
Threats to the US
A lapdog isn't a threat except to reputation, even if they're not on your side. Same reason North Korea isn't on the list of threats.
Even if they have influence, it's not exactly domestic policy, otherwise you'd have to add the IRA to the list also.
IndustryStandard 4 points a year ago
Israel is deporting American students for excersizing their free speech.
Israel has more influence than the first amendent.
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ThomasCrappersGhost 10 points a year ago
And Brexit, people think. Russia is dangerous to the whole of the world.
cerement 24 points a year ago
- international: Russia (and their puppet, Trump)
- domestic: we have enough racist, fascist domestic terrorists (ex. Proud Boys, Patriot Front, etc., etc.) that pose far more of a threat to the US than MS-13
daggermoon 4 points a year ago
The only other time I had ever heard of MS-13 was the psychopathic rantings of a former cop I worked with briefly. Hmmm... wonder why they aren't a cop anymore?
GeeDubHayduke 23 points a year ago
I don't see a MS-13 hand shoved firmly up Trump's ass, so....
CheeseToastie 3 points a year ago
Sad but true
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 13 points a year ago
Gangs are bad. Thing is, you don't fight gangs with military you fight them with relief. Gangs thrive on hurt people and the people who are suffering. If you relieve the hurt and suffering poverty causes you destroy the gangs ability to recruit.
bluegreenwookie 15 points a year ago
Idk anything about ms 13 so I can't try to assess them as a threat. But I have a hard time imagining a gang or terror group coming close to russia in terms of threat to Americans
didnt1able 4 points a year ago
One of my best friends came from el Salvador. They fled because of the gang violence, I've known her since we were about 12. She was the one who told me about MS13. But it wasn't something that was mainstream media worthy because it was a big issue there.
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nickwitha_k 13 points a year ago
Depends on context. If the context is "planning a holiday in El Salvador", maybe MS-13 is relevant. Beyond being worried about impact on others' lives, MS-13 is largely irrelevant to Americans and most people that I've encountered never heard of them before 2016.
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Hobo 3 points a year ago
I'm not sure what you're getting at. That article says in multiple places, and even implies it with the scare quotes in the title, that they didn't find a bunch of gang members in that complex. So what exactly are you trying to say?
Here's a few quotes from that article:
Aurora Police Department Interim Chief Heather Morris said in a statement on Friday that "gang members have not taken over" the complex.
"I'm not saying that there aren't gang members that don't live in this community," Morris said. "But what we're learning out here is that gang members have not taken over this complex."
...
Morris stated that the local authorities have "really made an effort" in recent days to ask specific questions about gang activity in the area and at the complex.
"Making sure that people aren't paying rent to gang leaders or gang members," she said.
According to Morris, the residents they've spoken with have assured them that this isn't happening, and she believes they are being honest.
"We're standing out here, and I can tell you that gang members have not taken over this complex."
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sith 13 points a year ago
Russia. MS-13 is nothing in comparison. Though it wouldn't surprise me if Russia supports MS-13 as part of their hybrid warfare. That's how they work.
Understand that Russia has largely been able to put US to its knees through hybrid methods that utilize and enhance the negative effects of american arrogance, neoliberal dogmatism and the war on drugs. Trump is the final stage before the empire comes down. It's probably too late to turn the ship around by now. China + EU is already the facto world leaders and the US is doing everything to destroy itself and there is no real political and economical self-awareness among people with power.
The US should have started to decrease inequality, stop the war on drugs and enforced (sane) tariffs and migration policies 15 years ago. The EU has the same problems, but there isn't the same level of inequality and political extremism and fundamentalism, which makes me believe that the EU will survive as a western democracy and relevant world player, but the US will not.
originalucifer 10 points a year ago
the forces task with each risk are entirely separate. the states should police for internal gang activity. the feds should be fucking freaked out over russia just deciding to invade other soverieng nations for zero reason.
but that was back when the united states had a functioning government. those days are long gone.
GrumpyDuckling 1 point a year ago
The reason Russia invaded is because Zelenski wasn't supposed to win the election and they want their puppets running Ukraine again.
daggermoon 9 points a year ago
That's a joke right? MS-13 isn't trying to invade Ukraine.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 4 points a year ago
Not a joke, apparently, read the other comments.
daggermoon 0 points a year ago
Okay, I read them. What's your point? What are your intentions? Put me down for Russia ig.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 5 points a year ago
Point is some people take the threat of MS-13 way too seriously.
ThomasCrappersGhost 4 points a year ago
Some people think Trump is good, too.
daggermoon 2 points a year ago
I'm more worried about never being able to own a home or never being able to support myself. I'm more worried that i'll never learn another language then I am some street gang I have never seen.
IndustryStandard 9 points a year ago
Israel.
inb4_FoundTheVegan 1 point a year ago
The death toll from Israel supporting Americans exponentially dwarfs the number of Americans harmed by MS-13.
Diva 2 points a year ago
Not all of the countries problems can simply be attributed to 'the enemy' on the other side of the planet. The dysfunction I'm pointing out is home grown and enabled on both sides. The republicans are obviously worse, the democrats prevent anything better.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 1 point a year ago
Fair
douglasg14b 3 points a year ago
Ah this point?
You're own bloody country
QuarterSwede 3 points a year ago
China. Military has been gearing up to defend Taiwan for years and the intervention has been moved up to only 2 years from now.
Liberteez 0 points a year ago
We should be concerned about both.
The Latin American gang crisis is real. Biden wanted to tackle it, and Congress said no. They have funding from c#ina to create issues at our border to destabilize us.
Of course, every single arrested person deserves due process. Many are being targeted maliciously right now under false pretenses.
Ruzzia is of course the greater threat. They are also very weak right now. Their victory with US sabotage is honestly their biggest win in decades, and their other fronts are utter failures. But their cruelty and focus on our demise has resulted in a surgical counterintelligence strike that will forever harm American life much moreso that the Latin American gangs.
The greatest threat is c#ina, should they get more involved.
BrainInABox 0 points a year ago
They have funding from c#ina to create issues at our border to destabilize us.
This is literally just MAGA conspiracy theory
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 2 points a year ago
Red scare was about communism.
humanspiral -6 points a year ago
The US has threatened Russia for last 80 years. At increased levels in last 20 years. Forcing Russia to defend itself in last 3 years has made it stronger. There is absolute blowback danger from Russia, that can extend to nuclear destruction, but it as fully self inflicted as going around zoinking Grizzly bears' tails. Foreign national threats to US are entirely the result of US evil, and US desperation is making it worse.
GeeDubHayduke 2 points a year ago
Ah yes. You must be the common clay of the new west.
MacNCheezus -10 points a year ago
One of them is a heavily armed criminal gang which operates locally and engages in violent crime, murder, and human trafficking, the other is somewhere on the other side of the world and currently fairly busy expending massive amounts of military resources trying to occupy a few provinces of a neighboring country.
This feels like asking if you should be more worried about domestic rattlesnakes or lions in Africa.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 3 points a year ago
So your position is russia raises no threat to America. I'll write that one down.
MacNCheezus 0 points a year ago
I wouldn't say none whatsoever, but comparatively little. They're already engaged in a fairly high stakes military operation costing them massive amounts of resources and manpower every year and constantly teetering on the edge of triggering a NATO involvement. Yeah they have nukes, but if they really wanted an all-out war, don't you think they would have dropped one already?
I'd say chances are very low. First of all, the US likely has a capable early warning system and the ability to intercept a nuclear warhead in-flight, and second, the potential retaliation would likely be horrifying and not worth the risk. Worrying about armed criminal gang members who are already in the country seems to be a lot more sensible to me because they pose a more immediate threat.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 5 points a year ago
I firmly believe, and the evidence supports, Russia has deployed a widespread disinformation campaign against America and has infiltrated the highest levels of government.
MacNCheezus 0 points a year ago
Do you have any evidence for that belief?
remotelove 0 points a year ago
No, that is not what he said at all.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie 2 points a year ago
Tell me how lions in Africa are a threat to Americans
remotelove 0 points a year ago
Oh, fuck off.
MacNCheezus -4 points a year ago
I haven't heard of any armed, violent Russian criminal gangs operating on US territory in recent years, so yeah, I'm less worried about them than the ones that are known to operate here.
MacNCheezus -3 points a year ago
Okay. I'll check back in when the Russians are at my door.
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Considering Russia kind of just put the final nail in the coffin for your democracy, probably Russia
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