US military can temporarily detain protesters in Los Angeles, commander says

a year ago by ssroxnak to c/news

The commander overseeing military operations in Los Angeles said that troops deployed to the city can temporarily detain individuals but cannot make arrests.

That's fucking bullshit. Detaining people is absolutely a law enforcement operation.

doug 199 points a year ago

šŸ™„ is that why you’re in the military? to detain unarmed protesters on your own soil?

get fucked.

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masterofn001 67 points a year ago

If they are detaining citizens, does that count as an act of war?

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Lyra_Lycan 34 points a year ago

Only if the people create a resistance army to fight back.

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Bonesince1997 105 points a year ago

I guess we know our enemy

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Fetus 35 points a year ago

Compromise,

Conformity,

Assimilation,

Submission,

Ignorance,

Hypocrisy,

Brutality,

The elite.

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lka1988 16 points a year ago

Ah yes, CCASIHBTE. On brand for yet another acronym that the military loves so much..

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synae 3 points a year ago

All of which are American dreams

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Reverendender 76 points a year ago

Here’s the relevant section of the article that the title is referencing:

He emphasized that while troops can temporarily detain individuals, they must wait for law enforcement officers to make actual arrests.

Unless the guard troops are working directly with law enforcement, or are there at the request of the state, or the Insurrection Act has been invoked, none of which have happened or are the case, then it is completely illegal for them to be detaining anyone for any reason. Those troops should be refusing to follow those illegal orders. As should their commanding officer, but I’m getting the impression this is not a guy with a lot of critical thinking skills.

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fluxion 16 points a year ago

Unfortunately the Insurrection Act doesnt help when the president is the one leading the insurrection

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Reverendender 5 points a year ago

That makes it like extra double super illegal then, I guess

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Hozerkiller 13 points a year ago

With only 4000 guard I'm sure they were able to be selective with who they sent.

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bss03 2 points a year ago

Even an arrest is temporary if we haven't thrown out due process. Habeas Corpus means a judge has to look at things, and decide to extend the detention until trial. Also, the trial has to be "speedy".

It's probably not good that there is a mechanism for legally detaining someone for months without them being an imminent threat to themselves or others. But, that's been status quo as long as I've been drawing breath, so I'm used to it.

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Reverendender 1 point a year ago

Yeah, speedy trials haven't been a reality since....ever?

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bss03 4 points a year ago

I believe most defendants choose to waive their right to a speedy trial in order to have more time to prepare. It's so common that many judges schedule themselves under that assumption and some will even be biased against persons that do not waive that right.

[Judge] Murphy was angry with [attorney] Weinstock because the public defender wouldn’t waive a client’s right to a speedy trial, the complaint says.

-- https://www.abajournal.com/...

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jonesey71 2 points a year ago

I was arrested and bond was set ridiculously high and didn't waive my speedy trial rights because I wanted to go to trial ASAP and get out of jail. The judge delayed it twice on me and I spent 270 days in jail until I found a bail bondsman who didn't require any collateral because he believed someone who spent 270 days in jail instead of pleading out for time served wouldn't jump bail. Charges were dropped shortly after I bailed out. I am not sure how they justified delaying my trial over and over but it was 100% bullshit.

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Reverendender 2 points a year ago

Huh. I was not at all aware of this. Interesting!

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Pieisawesome 1 point a year ago

You have to request a speedy trial

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bss03 1 point a year ago

Depends on the jurisdiction, but in most of the U.S. "speedy" (~90 days) is actually the default, and you have to waive your right to one if you'd like more time.

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Wilco 71 points a year ago

Newsflash: The commander overseeing operations CANNOT temporarily detain people as it is a constitutional violation. What they are trying to say (between the lines) is that they have declared "Martial Law Light".

Shit is about to get (more) stupid.

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Remember_the_tooth 23 points a year ago

Ah, the crisp, refreshing taste of diet fascism.

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amateurcrastinator 4 points a year ago

On guys you are Americans! You love full fat milk, full fatty burgers, 100% sugar surely you can get full fascism if you wanted to! You still can't get eggs but hey Kamala had a weird laugh am I right?

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Upgrayedd1776 -11 points a year ago

more like she towed the biden line of incompetency and bombing Palestinian babies. its hard to quantify the magnitude of failure that was the biden term and then his gnarled fingers clinging to the presidency and ruining most of Kamala's chance of having a proper campaign, am I right? I cant wait to vote for Israel is his number priority Schumer to build cohesion in the party with is and that golem in congress with their glowing charisma

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amateurcrastinator 11 points a year ago

I hear you. But they are still bombing them babies, and now you are set to lose your freedoms that you love so much. As a guy born during communism you guys have no idea how bad it will get. And the communists didn't have drones, internet disinformation and other cool tech toys. But sure, voting for the harmless less than perfect candidate sure sounds like a terrible idea especially when the other guy said exactly what he was going to do!

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AlexLost 7 points a year ago

You are rewriting the past. The Biden administration did many times many good things, you are equating something every politician in America does to one guy because Cheeto Mussolini said so. How's Trump doing on the not bombing Palestinian babies front? Oh?! Oh dear...

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CharlesDarwin 2 points a year ago

šŸ™„

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teawrecks 70 points a year ago

"We're there to protect their federal officers, their federal personnel," Sherman said in the interview. "We're there to protect them so that they can do their job."

Negative, commander, you are there to protect the constitutional right of US citizens to safely assemble and express their first amendment right to protest.

Make peaceful revolution possible. That is your duty, son.

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SirMaple__ 48 points a year ago

Posse Comitatus Act

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Thedogdrinkscoffee 27 points a year ago

I think we're past laws now.

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M0oP0o 1 point a year ago

Yeah, It is wild we still mostly have people talk about the law as if it currently applies in the us for the ruling group.

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aramova 2 points a year ago

Sounds a lot like Chuck Schumer who writes strongly worded letters and needs to get to the bottom of things.

Because when he was a freshman in Congress 60 years ago, that made a difference. /s

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M0oP0o 1 point a year ago

I think it also has a lot to do with people in the states just not wanting to know the truth of exactly how far gone their empire really is. I often hear that info silos are at fault but people willingly put themselves into those silos.

We are in the exciting sort of times they talk about in history books, and I am starting to understand that most people actively avoid admitting it.

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TheThrillOfTime 42 points a year ago

This is not going to end well.

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twistypencil 41 points a year ago

Who is this commanders superior officer? Because wtf

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masterofn001 31 points a year ago

The president.

These are direct orders from the commander in chief.

DJT

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twistypencil 1 point a year ago

I was just following orders... Look it up

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MisterOwl 40 points a year ago

Literally a violation of posse comitatus. You are a traitor, commander.

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TransplantedSconie 26 points a year ago

No you can't but this is a lawless nation now.

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RadioFreeArabia 16 points a year ago
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Rooskie91 15 points a year ago

They can try lol

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Remember_the_tooth 14 points a year ago

Bold of you to assume this about enforcing law (or keeping peace).

This is escalation for the sake of performative leadership. It's another manufactured crisis. They find a manageable problem under someone else's purview, exacerbate it, use the escalation to claim the other party is losing control, step in, and pretend to help while the other party solves the problem, then they take credit and walk away. It's a power grab. Bonus points if it distracts everyone else from the supposed leader's negligence, incompetence, and outright theft. The Big Beautiful Bill isn't drawing the same portion of the public's attention as it was before, is it?

The bullest of shit indeed: enacting cruelty on the vulnerable to enable robbing the overwhelming majority Americans.

This concludes the rant. Thanks for your post. I hope we never stop talking about this and never let future generations forget.

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Deathray5 2 points a year ago

Fuck the fire department, If they can't find a fire they think "why don't we start one"

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Remember_the_tooth 1 point a year ago

I had trouble interpreting this, but it sounds intriguing. Explain it like I'm 5?

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CharlesDarwin 12 points a year ago

Under what authority?

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glowing_hans 4 points a year ago

To keep the peace and maintain stability in our country and national security abroad I founded the first galactic empire šŸ—½!

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Disaster 12 points a year ago path: 0 17632755, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
valkyrieangela 11 points a year ago

Violence breeds violence, Commander.

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ABetterTomorrow 9 points a year ago

How long is temporary?

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6nk06 6 points a year ago

More than 3 years according to Vlad.

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glowing_hans 1 point a year ago

30 years.

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homesweethomeMrL 9 points a year ago

Can they kill them? Cause.

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gravitas_deficiency 13 points a year ago path: 0 17607547 17608840, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 0
doctortofu 8 points a year ago

In the laaaaaaaaaaand of the freeeeeeee... sing along US friends, you know the words!

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Smoogs 6 points a year ago

Given the lawsuit regarding the electoral votes, the military should be holding the house and president until that lawsuit is finished.

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QuoVadisHomines 1 point a year ago

Oh dear sweet jesus no. We absolutely never want the military to hold the government.

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nomy 1 point a year ago

Seriously, who do they think is in charge of the military?

I'll give you a hint it's not generals.

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Snowclone 0 points a year ago

Our military is supposed to be fully beholden to the elected civilian government, the only "holding" possible is the current acting government.

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BlameTheAntifa 5 points a year ago

War it is. šŸ˜ž

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Ledericas 5 points a year ago

Just now, israel attacked iran, as a distraction from all these protest, so typical of trump. the media immediately started focusing on that news instead of this.

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SuspiciousCatThing 4 points a year ago

DO YOU KNOW THE ENEMY

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gravitas_deficiency 4 points a year ago
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