The system is working exactly as intended and must be destroyed

3 years ago by HLMenckenFan to c/politicalmemes

heeplr 47 points 3 years ago

"I never experienced another system and suddenly realize that the current system isn't perfect. My solution: let's tear everything down"

-- every teenager who just started to understand the world

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SpaceCowboy 12 points 3 years ago

Yeah also don't understand that any system involving humans is never going to be perfect because people will find a way to screw it up. That doesn't mean you give up on improving it of course, more the opposite. Every system will constantly require effort to improve or it will degrade over time.

There is no such thing as a perfect system, but that means there will always be ways to improve the existing system, no matter what the existing system is. The "tear it down and start over" mentality makes people useless in efforts to actually make things better. Perfect is the enemy of good.

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solstice 4 points 3 years ago

Not just that but there is no "THE system" it's more of a stew made out of dozens of systems working around and with each other. You can't just throw out the stew and start over because it's already got all of us and everything in it. I don't want to go too far with that metaphor but you get the idea.

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SpaceCowboy 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah you think as I do.

Speaking of stew... the SYSTEM is involved with distribution of food. I don't have land to farm, so if we're going to destroy the system, I'm gonna need the new system that replaces it to be functioning and somehow distributing food to me in about a week.

Historically there have been many times revolutions that have resulted in famines. And most revolutions end up with basically the same kind of system as before, just with different people in power, once they've run their course.

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 0 points 3 years ago

Somebody should go back in time and explain to George Washington that he can’t just throw out the stew

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solstice 8 points 3 years ago

"The boy was sanctimonious as only youth can be when descrying the faults of their elders."

I read that once and always loved that quote.

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heeplr 6 points 3 years ago

Don't get me wrong: I think nothing is more healthy for a society than a rebelling youth and all the "trouble" that comes with it. We've all been there.

But in times were edgy elders vote for Trump and carry no vision, morale or understanding besides mere platitudes like "tearing down everything", "draining the swamp", "building a wall" etc., all those calls for radical destruction without offering an alternative annoy the shit out of me.

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mind 1 point 3 years ago

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Telodzrum 0 points 3 years ago

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mind 2 points 3 years ago

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1847953620 1 point 3 years ago

Citation needed

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Walk_blesseD 6 points 3 years ago

I never experienced another system and have come to the gradual realisation that the current system is inherently exploitative, values some people above others, and leaves very little hope for a future as it continues to render the planet's surface less habitable by the year. My solution: let's tear the system down before it tears all of us down with it.

FTFY.

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heeplr 1 point 3 years ago

My solution: let's tear the system down before it tears all of us down with it.

"...without having any clue about what comes next, blindly hoping that it will rule out injustice and inherent exploitation although there is no precedence or vision by anyone."

This is not a fix. It's calling to kill the complete herd for a few sick animals while others take enormous efforts to find a cure.

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Walk_blesseD 0 points 3 years ago

Where did I say that? I think it's really funny how when I corrected an obvious strawman, my correction was strawmanned.

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derg 2 points 3 years ago

Without really wanting to take a side here, you could explain why his metaphor doesn't fit your real opinion instead of just saying it was a strawman, if you'd like.

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heeplr 2 points 3 years ago

Where did I say that?

I quoted the very part. Are you trolling? You can't have missed my quote.

when I corrected an obvious strawman

You didn't fix anything. You just explained the meme keeping it's original ignorance.

my correction was strawmanned.

Read up what a Strawman is. I didn't change the original argument - since there was none.

Best you could say is that I used a hyperbole so you understand how people who actually care about politics perceive your helpless destructive whining.

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NathanielThomas -12 points 3 years ago

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marmo7ade 13 points 3 years ago

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NathanielThomas -6 points 3 years ago

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DudePluto 11 points 3 years ago

you've never experienced another, vastly superior system (like, for example, Germany)

??? Germany is not another system, it's just capitalism with some touches of socialism

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solstice 4 points 3 years ago

And they got plenty of their own problems too, it's nice and I love germany but don't go around pretending it's heaven on earth.

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heeplr 9 points 3 years ago

any suggestions

I must have missed something. I just read a suggestion to destroy everything in a mediocre anime meme.

This sounds like trying to burn down the school when you got a bad grade but when you're caught and called to the principal's office, you claim to be the victim of a coldhearted and overgeneralizing grade system.

Also, no one even mentioned the US.

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Caradoc879 -13 points 3 years ago

"I'm such a douchebag entitled narcissist so I'm going to plug my ears and go 'na na na this is fine' as the system destroys EVERY GODDAMN FUCKING FACET of society and whatever future these 'teenagers' may have. BUT IT'S THE TEENAGERS THAT ARE TO BLAME, RIGHT?"

Get off your fucking high horse. Jesus fucking christ dude.

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constantturtleaction 10 points 3 years ago

You know, the post that you're responding to could just be highlighting a parallel rather than being a criticism of the OP.

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heeplr 3 points 3 years ago

and go 'na na na this is fine'

that's not what I wrote and you suggesting it tells a lot about how you look at the world and people around you.

Keep on memeing, dude. You'll surely make the world a better place...

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MindSkipperBro12 -9 points 3 years ago

Gonna cry?

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Caradoc879 1 point 3 years ago

Ooohhhhh..... edgy!

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Shardikprime 1 point 3 years ago

I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye

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Something_Complex 24 points 3 years ago

Destroyed and replaced by?

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Amaltheamannen 16 points 3 years ago

People fail to realize that socialism isn't just an ideology but a process. It involves looking back at previous attempts and learning from their mistakes and improving.

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Zyansheep 13 points 3 years ago

Is every ideology also a process where people learn from their past attempts at achieving the ideology?

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DragonTypeWyvern 2 points 3 years ago

Correct, and the beneficiaries of capitalism have learned very well.

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Amaltheamannen -3 points 3 years ago

Sure, but this is the very core of socialism, or the whole concept of scientific marxism

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sab 9 points 3 years ago

I think it's important to distinguish socialism and Marxism here, since you're referring pretty specifically to Marxist theory.

That said, you're not wrong - Marx postulates that history moves through a continuous fight between classes, and that on average we move towards a more equal society over time as a result of this fight. The fall of the monarchy was the result of class struggle, but so was the fall of the Soviet union; the Bolsheviks had just replaced the ruling elite, walking on two legs in Orwells terms. In this sense, every revolution could be understood under the logic of Marxism, as "the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles".

But then we're speaking about a Marxist understanding of history, not a socialist ideal for society.

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MotoAsh 6 points 3 years ago

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icepuncher69 4 points 3 years ago

Vuvuzela, lol. Oterwise im not bashing ya nor your point just thought it sounded funny.

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Shardikprime 3 points 3 years ago

I am from Venezuela and it is indeed a socialist government shitshow

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MotoAsh -1 points 3 years ago

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confused_cvnt 3 points 3 years ago

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MindSkipperBro12 1 point 3 years ago

That’s what capitalism is for😎

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NathanielThomas 11 points 3 years ago

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Leroy 19 points 3 years ago

Sounds like fixing to me

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LeadSoldier 1 point 3 years ago

Fixing would be if we had logical productive discussions about these. But the US government is fundamentally broken and it is functionally impossible to fix these things in a reasonable amount of time.

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IndefiniteBen 4 points 3 years ago

Sure, you can get to a utopia by first destroying the old system, just look at how nice the world is in Star Trek.

It's going to suuuuuck for you though, living through the apocalypse needed to clean out the old system. It might be quicker overall, but I wouldn't wish that pain on the current generations of people living in the US.

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Something_Complex 0 points 3 years ago

Rome wasn't built in a day?

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DudePluto 4 points 3 years ago

The fun part is that you're on lemmy and I'm surprised no one has called you a conservative yet. This is because all of your ideas involve keeping the current system, and many people around here specifically want full socialism, Marxism, what have you

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cor315 4 points 3 years ago

Huh? Most of those they listed are socialist ideas. And I'm pretty lemmy would agree with most of them.

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DudePluto 3 points 3 years ago

Socialist by degree - but he mentions these things but not necessarily replacing the current system entirely. This is basically market socialism, which many (mainly Marxist-Leninists and the like) do not consider true socialism. There are a lot of MLs on lemmy. Hence my saying I'm surprised no one has come in yet to tell him he's not going far enough. We came close, someone called these fixes with the possible implication that he isn't going far enough, but not outright

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Daft_ish 1 point 3 years ago

Where?

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Something_Complex 2 points 3 years ago

Hold up I asked what political sistem would replace it. Lol not what changes we want no matter the system you are on

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mind 2 points 3 years ago

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Diprount_Tomato 8 points 3 years ago

Another failed system

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ThrowawayPermanente 3 points 3 years ago

I will ask the questions, comrade

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Caradoc879 3 points 3 years ago

Versus doing nothing? Lemmy is fucking ass lately, shitting all over hyperbole while rolling over and letting capitalism and pessimism run your sorry, sad fucking lives.

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Blapoo 2 points 3 years ago

Let's iterate!

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GreenMario 1 point 3 years ago

Nothing.

Well, nothing where a human is in charge. I'd rather let Bing AI take the wheel. AI isn't greedy or ambitious for one so no need to go full totalitarian like every single revolution.

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mrvictory1 1 point 3 years ago

AI isn't greedy

yet. I heard AIs are trained with data from humans who are... whoops!

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GreenMario 2 points 3 years ago

Well then I guess we should give up and just line up to suck off billionaires like a circus seal then 🤣

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refurbishedrefurbisher 1 point 3 years ago

Worker ownership over the means of production

(Not a huge fan of centralized planning since that tends to lead to authoritarianism)

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sab 1 point 3 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

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TigrisMorte 12 points 3 years ago

Which is a fix, not possible to implement in the chaos after a revolution, and not remotely a replacement.

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sab 4 points 3 years ago

I'd argue the only reason it was possible to implement in the first place was the post-war context of having to rebuild everything from scratch; the power dynamics in place before the war were left in the rubble. The father of Norwegian social democracy spent the years before the war in and out of jail, the war years in a prison camp, and the post war years as prime minister.

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rockSlayer -3 points 3 years ago

They also had to contrast the USSR, which had a very good quality of life for most citizens. Without socdem, people would have seen the difference between the USSR and Europe as positive due to things like eliminating homelessness, a right to food, and guaranteed healthcare. In the ~30 years since the Soviet Union fell, the EU is slowly crawling back in line with the US.

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Diprount_Tomato 1 point 3 years ago

It definitely is just reforming capitalism tho. If you want it in America you don't have to overthrow any government, just vote them out of the white house

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sab 2 points 3 years ago

I can't think of any successful implementation of socialism following from voting alone. Unionising tends to be where the power comes from.

The historical success rate of overthrowing the government and replacing it with something more ideologically pure doesn't really inspire confidence either. Sometimes it might be a necessary step on the winding path of history, but in terms of making anything better in the short term the track record is a bit iffy at best.

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Zyansheep 1 point 3 years ago

Does public ownership and maintenance of infrastructure count as socialism? If so, that definitely happened.

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norbert 2 points 3 years ago

Yep, just support and vote left for the next few decades. Take a page from the conservative handbook and mobilize a base that will actually turn out to vote. Conservatives have spent the last 50 years fine-tuning their messaging and tapping into a base that will get involved in politics down to a local level and it's working.

We have conservative schoolboards across the country deciding what will be taught, activist ideological judges waiting for Federalist Society-trained lawyers to bring the next case deregulating another corpo safeguard and religious fundamentalists regulating peoples genitals.

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Diprount_Tomato 0 points 3 years ago

What left? There is no left in mainstream American politics (but that's what they want you to think so they can get your vote)

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NathanielThomas 1 point 3 years ago

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Diprount_Tomato 2 points 3 years ago

You really think the American Revolution created or had good ideals? Like, it was made by slave owners who wanted to evade British taxes

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fosiacat 0 points 3 years ago

lol yeah the lib approach of “vote harder” - look at how that goes. the closest thing they had was Bernie sanders and he was railroaded by the dnc. you’re asking the wolf to watch the wolfs.

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SCB 2 points 3 years ago

Bernie Sanders lost by 3 million votes, so yes "vote harder" would absolutely have changed that situation

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kool_newt 22 points 3 years ago

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doomer 12 points 3 years ago

aka building dual power

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kool_newt 5 points 3 years ago

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Hazdaz 7 points 3 years ago

This is the kind of stupidity that let's those Jan 6th criminals justify their treason.

Same terrible message, aimed at a different audience. But ultimately the same shit.

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DudePluto 8 points 3 years ago

The fun part about memes like this is that they could be posted by anyone, anywhere on the political spectrum. The only hint at intent is in the title or community

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Hazdaz 1 point 3 years ago

The image kind of hints at the audience.

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Krompus 5 points 3 years ago

Punchline title.

Good meme tho.

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seitanic 4 points 3 years ago

It's a glass-half-full, glass-half-empty situation. Both viewpoints are correct. The question is: which is easier? Fixing a broken system or destroying the system and creating a new one?

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VanRijn29 0 points 3 years ago

Raze everything to the ground and start new.

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seitanic 4 points 3 years ago

Usually the result of that is something just as bad or even worse.

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 1 point 3 years ago

Which is why we should have never fought the revolution: what we have now is worse

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atomicfox 3 points 3 years ago

No, thanks, I actually benefit quite a bit from the current system.

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Jakdracula 3 points 3 years ago

The systems not broken it was built this way.

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Caradoc879 8 points 3 years ago

That's the whole fucking joke, bruv

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mayo 0 points 3 years ago

redditors..

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Double_A 2 points 3 years ago

Oh tankies...

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mind 8 points 3 years ago

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Double_A 0 points 3 years ago

No, but proposing to destroy a system in which you are presumably living relatively comfortably, in exchange for something else is some extremely privileged bullshit to say. E.g. go tell that to the people in Niger.

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mind 0 points 3 years ago

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InternetTubes 2 points 3 years ago

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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

...if you have a way to put a new, better system in place to replace the old one.

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ALostInquirer 1 point 3 years ago

Historically, has that ever happened?

If I'm not mistaken, the usual cycle seems to be dismantling an existing system due to grievances unaddressed, seeking a consolidation of power, or other political machinations, attempts at forming & establishing new systems for a period of time, until eventually some system emerges that manages to survive for some time but its persistence is not assured.

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AngryCommieKender 1 point 3 years ago

At least in the US is proveably isn't working as intended. Section 1983 of the federal code was illegally modified in 1874 by one person that had no authority to do so. That revision is what "decided" Harlow V Fitzgerald in 1982. That case should have found that the 1871 Congress had outlawed any immunity from prosecution for civil servants of any kind.

This is also similar to how "corporate personhood" became a legal fictive, yet legal precedent.

The system isn't working as intended at all, and the consequences of those two minor "revisions" has allowed the rich to buy the government.

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vvvokay 1 point 3 years ago

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Mojojojo1993 0 points 3 years ago

Precisely

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icepuncher69 -4 points 3 years ago

I dont like the whole egg thing and thats were im leaving that at. Otherwise, spot on. Downvotes to the rigth.

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Compactor9679 -20 points 3 years ago

More than welcome to go to another system. None of witch works. US system is not perfect, but its the best

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TwystedKynd 9 points 3 years ago

Yeah, don't seek to improve anything. I wouldn't trade ours for that of Cambodia, but I'd sure as shit trade it for Denmark. We could strive to implement better processes in our system. First thing is to admit that there's a problem.

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NathanielThomas 9 points 3 years ago

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FormerlyChucks -8 points 3 years ago

Easy on the racism pal.

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FlyingSquid 6 points 3 years ago

I have read that comment four times and I'm not seeing anything even race-related, let alone racist.

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FormerlyChucks -3 points 3 years ago

Don't pretend like you don't know racist dog whistles when you see them

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illumrial 7 points 3 years ago

Oh I love going bankrupt because I got ill. The US system is broken and needs to be fixed/revamped. It is by far not the best.

I'm an advocate for fixing it so much it looks completely different, effectively destroying it.

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FlyingSquid 5 points 3 years ago

I had to pay a $3000 hospital bill last year for surgery that I waited two years to get and it didn't even work. And I have what is considered good insurance.

The system is fucking broken.

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Compactor9679 -2 points 3 years ago

Oh... Poor guy, lives in one of the richest countries of the world and has one of the best healthcare systems ever. Poor guy had to pay money :(, paying money = bad! Paying more of that money in taxes even yiu never use the system to have "free" care = good!

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FlyingSquid 0 points 3 years ago

Considering I wouldn't have had to pay that money if I lived in any other Western country, you're correct, except not sarcastically. Why do people deserve to go broke just because they have cancer?

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Apollo 4 points 3 years ago

The best at what?

Keeping it citizens fat and happy while an elite few rape it's wealth and resources?

The best at papering over the massive problems that pervade its society at every level?

The best at mass shootings?

The best at electing possibly genuinely retarded people to political office (tens of millions of americans voted for donald trump, even after 4 years of him being clinically unhinged and extremely stupid)?

The best at having an average reading age of 9?

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Compactor9679 -2 points 3 years ago

"Fat and happy" :)

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Apollo 0 points 3 years ago

Just like an animal being led to the slaughter :)

Happiness through ignorance is not exactly something to be envied.

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Zuberi 3 points 3 years ago

"The best" in what category??

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Compactor9679 -2 points 3 years ago

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Thekingoflorda 2 points 3 years ago

Because everyone has the capability to just move to anywhere if they don't like a place. People don't have any family or friends they would leave behind, and they always have enough money to just move to another country.

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Compactor9679 -1 points 3 years ago

Not anyone, just people who are willing to go to a better place. Ask any imigrant at the south border if they left family/friends ot if they have "enough money" (whatever that means) to come to the US (better place than any of the places left behind).

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LeadSoldier 2 points 3 years ago

If you learn how to read charts and graphs, you can look up worldwide happiness indexes and where the US is in education and freedom and all those things. They are all written down for you. Intelligent people have already done the research and had a peer reviewed. All that you have to do is learn how to understand it.

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Compactor9679 -1 points 3 years ago

"Intelligent people make graphs" lol, no people with time do. Dont need to be "Intelligent" to make that investigation

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