We're monsters

3 years ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/lemmyshitpost

Savvy95 56 points 3 years ago

It reminds me of that old joke of the 2 scientists studying a fly.

Scientist 1: Fly, fly! Scientist 2: When fly has two wings fly flies 2 feet.

Scientist 1: pulls off one wing and says Fly, Fly! Scientist 2: When fly has 1 wing, fly flies 1 foot

Scientist 1: pulls off the other wing and says, Fly, fly!. Nothing happens Scientist 1 Fly, Fly! Nothing happens Scientist 1 showing frustration> FLY! FLY! Scientist 2: When fly has no wings, fly becomes deaf.

Bad-dum!

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The_Picard_Maneuver 11 points 3 years ago

I like this. First time hearing it.

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RootKit 9 points 3 years ago

That's good, 'cause the fly can't.

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anewbeginning 54 points 3 years ago

This is a useful technology....for tyrants.

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Frozengyro 42 points 3 years ago

Potential PTSD treatment. I think this is the plot to a movie or book though, where soldiers are taken advantage of.

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DragonTypeWyvern 24 points 3 years ago

There was definitely a Black Mirror about it.

Sidenote: It's weird to me that more people don't talk about the inevitability of that one with the soldiers with cybernetic HUD implants that, shocking twist later, can make civilians look like monsters to be purged.

On the other hand, why bother when the Boston Dynamics murderbots are probably cheaper?

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Markofthedead 5 points 3 years ago
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loie 6 points 3 years ago

Universal Soldier?

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Orygin 1 point 3 years ago

I think I read the book you mention! I thought about it recently but could not remember the name

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ivanafterall 20 points 3 years ago

I agree. But I also wouldn't mind forgetting one or two things. However, I've also watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, so I know it ends with me having perpetual dementia-like fever dreams.

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PaupersSerenade 54 points 3 years ago

Whew, hopefully he'll forget he's supposed to track me till the end of time

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BarrelAgedBoredom 17 points 3 years ago

Sorry bucko, it was a decoy snail

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PaupersSerenade 1 point 3 years ago

That's incredible, I was aware of the tileman mode plug in, but this is inspired.

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illusoryMechanist 46 points 3 years ago

Scientists: No guys seriously what have we done I can't remember

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The_Picard_Maneuver 20 points 3 years ago

Oh no, they fried the part of their brain that could tell the difference between snails and humans!

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OldWoodFrame 44 points 3 years ago

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Snail

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CarlsIII 1 point 3 years ago

But sunshine is bad for snails! Noooooooooo!

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thefartographer -1 points 3 years ago

Finally! A therapy to make me forget that movie!

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solstice 43 points 3 years ago

Since the comments all appear to be juvenile Reddit style jokes, here's TFA (the frickin article: https://futurism.com/...

Note, I'm not a scientist.

As I suspected it appears they tortured the snails somehow (my guess is electric shock) to create traumatic memories. This has been done with caterpillars I think to see if they retain memories after turning into butterflies and they do, despite basically turning into primordial goop in the cocoon. They do, and it's tested by seeing if they retain aversions to certain areas of their cages that are electrified.

Then something about enzymes created which associate memory with pain and being able to target them.

Pretty cool, and I for one definitely have a few traumas I'd like erased.

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aesthelete 21 points 3 years ago

Pretty cool, and I for one definitely have a few traumas I’d like erased.

It's kinda neat, but I for one do not want to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind become a documentary. I mean I like the movie and all...but.

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Wogi 9 points 3 years ago

We can kinda do that. There are therapies that target trauma and recontextualize them. Look up EMDR, it's really cool stuff.

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solstice 3 points 3 years ago

There is debate about how the therapy works and whether it is more effective than other established treatments.[1][5] The eye movements have been criticized as having no scientific basis.[6] The founder promoted the therapy for the treatment of PTSD, and proponents employed untestable hypotheses to explain negative results in controlled studies.[7] EMDR has been characterized as a pseudoscientific purple hat therapy (i.e., only as effective as its underlying therapeutic methods without any contribution from its distinctive add-ons).[8]

I read about that fifteen years ago and dismissed it as pseudoscience. Wikipedia confirms. Pass (thanks though, don't mean to be rude)

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Emerald 2 points 3 years ago

How is torturing an animal cool?

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SCB 7 points 3 years ago

Because it can lead to treatment for human suffering. He says it in his post

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Emerald -2 points 3 years ago

Causing harm to some other group to help your own group has been an excuse used to justify slavery for hundreds of years.

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saigot 2 points 3 years ago

Comparing slaves to animals has been used to justify slavery for hundreds of years.

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gayhitler420 3 points 3 years ago
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vardogor 1 point 3 years ago
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julianh 43 points 3 years ago

Finally I can replay Outer Wilds.

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Pinklink 3 points 3 years ago

Yes. Good god yes. Was disappointed by the dlc though unfortunately. I want to like it but I just don’t.

But also replay Inscryption

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TheAndrewBrown 3 points 3 years ago

It honestly was too scary for me. I don’t do horror games. The angler fish in the main game was almost too much for me

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ultrasquid 2 points 3 years ago

I can play Omori without having been spoiled!

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Delta_44 2 points 3 years ago

EXACTLY, I feel the same

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OtakuAltair 1 point 3 years ago

Such a great game. I'd also play through Undertale again with this

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xusontha 34 points 3 years ago

I think the scientists are more worried about why the snail's head is the size of a human rather than the memory loss...

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QuazarOmega 12 points 3 years ago

It's the long hidden aliens that were driving the latest non-human aircraft

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The_Picard_Maneuver 9 points 3 years ago

Maybe the snail meme was a CIA guerilla training operation.

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 4 points 3 years ago

Wait, the snails are training the gorillas? We're through the looking glass here, people!

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Madison420 2 points 3 years ago

I want off this goddamn Jefferson airplane!

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xusontha 3 points 3 years ago

so aliens are actually just big snails, like the Voth from Star Trek

Interesting

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froghorse 28 points 3 years ago

Have you ever entered a room and forgot why you came in?

How about your dreams at night? Or what you had for dinner last month?

I think that memory-deletion is much more common than we think. Like vast invisible whales floating through your living room.

Of course we'd never know it.

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GreenMario 15 points 3 years ago

Every time I walk into another room.

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The_Picard_Maneuver 9 points 3 years ago

Well the scientists must be zapping me a lot in that case.

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froghorse 16 points 3 years ago

For every memory that you noticed you forgot there are a thousand that you forgot without noticing. I'm guessing here.

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Anomandaris 1 point 3 years ago
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froghorse 6 points 3 years ago

You ever read "there is no anti-memetics division" by qntm?

It's good science fiction . He explores the subject of memory, deleting memory, etc. They have drugs for erasing memory, drugs for making it so you can't forget, demons that eat memory, certain kinds of information that resist being remembered... It's fascinating stuff.

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MajorHavoc 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 2497043 2497151 2502615, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
The_Picard_Maneuver 3 points 3 years ago

Haha, this skit really feels like it's 14 years old. First time seeing it, thanks!

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Misconduct 7 points 3 years ago

Pfft this guy doesn't know how to see the invisible whales 🙄

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ArchmageAzor -1 points 3 years ago

Chemtrails are real but the chemicals are usually amnestics

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froghorse 2 points 3 years ago

I wonder if a general approach to inducing amnesia would be the best approach.

I think that we always take what we've got - what we see, memories - no matter how flimsy, and stitch together a plausible narrative from that.

So the amnesia doesn't have to be very precise. Our amnesiator could basically be just a brain damage ray

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nxdefiant 22 points 3 years ago

decoy snail

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SomeBoyo 10 points 3 years ago

Oh no the real one escaped

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Techmaster 7 points 3 years ago

Probably a racing snail.

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Speiser0 22 points 3 years ago

Why is the snail so large?!

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The_Picard_Maneuver 42 points 3 years ago

It doesn't remember, sorry.

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postmateDumbass 18 points 3 years ago

Exactly the reason they had to fund this project.

Cheaper than the lawsuit.

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Kolanaki 6 points 3 years ago

The scientists first enlarged the snail, but when the snail was too large to make love to his snail wife or hug his snail children without crushing them, he decided to sue. That is until he suddenly got amnesia somehow.

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TheRealLinga 4 points 3 years ago

But that means he has a giant snail dick too! Shouldn't his snail wife be happy?

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Clusterfck 12 points 3 years ago

So they could use a normal sized eraser, duh.

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ArcaneSlime 12 points 3 years ago

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mollusk

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smellythief 7 points 3 years ago

Small know knew too much.

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Zehzin 7 points 3 years ago

I can give snails brain (ganglia?) damage too, you're not that special, scientists.

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Lammy 5 points 3 years ago
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The_Picard_Maneuver 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 2497633 2501211, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
Efwis 5 points 3 years ago

My question is, how do they know what a snail is thinking or remembers? Last I knew snails didn’t talk.

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UnendingQuest 10 points 3 years ago

Probably something like the snail learned to find food in a certain place, then they were able to make it forget such that it would search randomly instead of going to the place it had learned.

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Efwis 7 points 3 years ago

Lol, I can see it now.

“Im going to sit here for 8-12 hours and watch where this snail goes today.”

Sorry couldn’t resist.

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UmbrellAssassin 1 point 3 years ago

Sounds like a good job.

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solstice 4 points 3 years ago

I read a study once about caterpillars getting shocked in their cages to teach them which areas are electrified. They retained this memory aversion after turning into butterflies. Probably something similar, basic behavioral observations to stimuli.

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Duke_Nukem_1990 -5 points 3 years ago

Humans experimenting on weaker animals has peak fashist vibes.

"bUt iTs oNLy a SnAiL" yeah and before anything happens on humand they will experiment on mammals.

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Kolanaki 16 points 3 years ago

"Hey guys... Is it fascist to want to learn more about the reality we find ourselves in?"

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Wogi 6 points 3 years ago

There was a period during the Chinese Communist revolution that basically labeled a lot of modern science as capitalist propaganda.

There's a book series that starts with that event, and is the inciting event that caused a group of scientists to basically invite a hostile race of aliens to earth to wipe out and rebuild society.

I forget the name, it's by Cixin Liu

Edit: The Three Body Problem is the first book

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SCB 4 points 3 years ago

If anyone stumbles across this, the entire series is amazing and worth your time

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WarmSoda 2 points 3 years ago

I agree. And if you want to listen to great break downs of the series look up Quinn's Ideas on YouTube.

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Femcowboy 8 points 3 years ago

Call me Hitler but it's only a snail. If this can erase my dad strangling me or watching someone shoot themself from my brain IDC how many invertebrates die for it.

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RobertOwnageJunior 3 points 3 years ago

Peak human.

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Femcowboy 0 points 3 years ago

I a sapienbrained humancel. You got me.

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Duke_Nukem_1990 -4 points 3 years ago

How many dogs and chimpanzees are you willing to murder for the human trial to fail in phase 2?

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Misconduct 6 points 3 years ago

How many you got?

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Femcowboy 1 point 3 years ago

Dogs? We have a limitless supply, go nuts scientists. Chimps eh let's say less than 30, the lower the amount of chimps that die the better but at the end of the day, traumatic experiences vastly reduce quality of life for people, so if chimps gotta die, they gotta die.

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neshura 0 points 3 years ago

This may be tough to hear but some poeple don't give a shit about animals.

Is that arrogant? Fuck yes. Is it hypocritical? From most people, yes. Is it wrong? Lol no, humanity rules over earth and I really don't see why we should (potentially) torture our own population in experiments rather than species that largely lack self awareness and often have problems with object permanence.

Animals are animals and unless one of them writes me an essay about how all of this is wrong in its own language I won't change my mind on that. The only species coming even remotely close to us in intellect and mind are dolphins and octopi, neither of which are commonly used for animal trials of anything except puzzles.

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WarmSoda 8 points 3 years ago

Would you prefer all medicines and other technologies skip trials and go straight to the counter?

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datelmd5sum 4 points 3 years ago

last step in trials is poor people.

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