Please, don't post articles "this/that store ban nsfw content": it's payment system (like Visa/MasterCard) that want to regulate/take control of censorship above your government.

a year ago by alessandro to c/pcgaming

More than a request, I think it's a deserving clarification. We're getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc... while it's just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.

Thanks reading my TEDx

Envy 96 points a year ago

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kautau 29 points a year ago

Love how the bottom of the page is like

We are an independent registered charity with no affiliation to religious or political institutions.

Meanwhile, the founder

In 2007, she published Defiant Birth: Women Who Resist Medical Eugenics[7], to a conservative journal called The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly before being republished by Spinifex press.

The journal is periodically published by a conservative think tank called The National Catholic Bioethics Center.

In 2009, Tankard Reist spoke at a forum called, "Event: Inspiring Christians Series" in the Belconnen Baptist Church on behalf of Sheridan Voysey.

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She’s all about women. As long as they produce children regardless of how they were impregnated and are wives in Catholic marriages.

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mhague 40 points a year ago

Melinda Tankard Reist.

Michael Miebach.

Ryan McInerney.

Humans > branding and corporation names.

When CVS "used racist AI" I didn't see a single goddamn peep about the CEOs in charge while they had that policy.

We should name the board and the whole leadership system but at least mentioning CEOs would be a great start.

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sunzu2 5 points a year ago

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jaggedrobotpubes 5 points a year ago

Yes!

This is exactly correct. Thank you.

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Kolanaki 36 points a year ago

I mean, it's a nanny organization called Collective Shout that is claiming responsibility for these recent product bans/removals. They just pressured the payment processors instead of the companies who own the stores this time. And it worked.

The nanny group sucks the most here. The payment processors suck for acquiescing to the nanny group, and everyone else sucks for acquiescing to the payment processors.

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Goretantath 14 points a year ago

The payment processors have the final say and have done this multiple times in the past, i wouldnt be surprised of the "nanny" was secretly paid by them to find this shit for them to censor.

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GodofLies 24 points a year ago

Nothing but hypocrisy from Visa and MasterCard - there are far more NSFW content on Xitter than in games and yet I don't see a peep of them banning payment towards that little blue checkmark.

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zout 9 points a year ago

Collective Shout seems to aim for X next, according to their site.

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burgerpocalyse 19 points a year ago

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paraphrand 1 point a year ago

Can you directly pay for porn on Twitter?

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GodofLies 3 points a year ago

Do you need to pay to access Steam and play games? The answer is no - there are free games on Steam and also forum features that allow you to post media content too. From that standpoint they're in the same boat. The difference is the platform's intended use.

I think the real issue isn't about Visa and MasterCard trying to gatekeep/censor this. The talk should be about we as a society haven't matured enough to be willing to talk about our own bodies as humans and human nature with our own kids. If you look at what's shown on mainstream TV around the world, off the top of my head, Europe seems to be a lot more mature about it than many parts elsewhere.

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lowspeedchase 16 points a year ago

Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don't have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.

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frezik 15 points a year ago

It's specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn't really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.

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lowspeedchase 7 points a year ago

How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)

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frezik 2 points a year ago

Do you know that or are you speculating?

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lowspeedchase 2 points a year ago

I know all, I see all

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artyom 1 point a year ago

Corporations do not give a single fuck about "angry, organized people", only money.

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Booboofinget 3 points a year ago

Maybe we can angrily organize against them?

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sunzu2 6 points a year ago

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lowspeedchase 2 points a year ago

That was my point, that pressure is always external and they are not making moral decisions.

Executives, BoD and shareholders with controlling stakes make these calls.

Yeah with the external driver of the bottom line, no one is making these 'calls' for any sort of purpose other than the profit driver.

Avoid using credit cards as much as possible

Sure, and my paper straws are saving the environment too, right? Individual action changes nothing, changes in law/enforcement is the only proven path to change.

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sunzu2 3 points a year ago

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lowspeedchase -1 points a year ago

Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.

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theunknownmuncher 4 points a year ago

Nope, there are human beings that make decisions and those human beings have beliefs.

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lowspeedchase 7 points a year ago

Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their 'beliefs' when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.

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kshade 1 point a year ago

What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?

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Bronzebeard 3 points a year ago

They basically have mon/du/triopolies in their field. Deciding to take less money is the only thing that hurts their bottom line. What's a noisy group of a dozen assholes going to do, use a different processor? The very thing that allowed them to pressure the other companies is what makes them immune from these stupid threats

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lowspeedchase 0 points a year ago

clever girl you are

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theunknownmuncher -2 points a year ago

Okay, you're allowed to be wrong

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lowspeedchase 0 points a year ago

Thank you kindly 😘

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chicken 1 point a year ago

I don't buy that, why would they have to care what these people think? Credit card companies have a history of being hostile to adult content, I think it's because the people who own them have an interest in controlling others.

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obsoleteacct 14 points a year ago

I don't think we should be giving corporations a pass for caving to challenges from authority whether it's hard or not.

Whether it's valve pulling NSFW content, universities expelling students, or CBS firing people over political speech it's all anti-consumer behavior driven by a financial incentive to cater to a bully with too much power. They're all just rolling over and showing their belly rather than deal with a problem in the short term.

If Valve or Itch had paired that statement with a statement about what other payment processing options they were pursuing that might someday lead them back to a pro-consumer position I'd be on board for granting them some grace on the issue, but to the best of my knowledge from the articles I've seen, their position has been "tell me what to do Daddy". If I'm wrong about that I apologize and I'll start reading different sources.

There's just too much capitulation to anti-free-speech behavior and I'm not ready to give anyone a pass at this point.

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Lembot_0004 11 points a year ago

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sk1nnym1ke 11 points a year ago

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Pyro 37 points a year ago

My understanding is part of it is that payment processor says stop doing it or we drop you all together. Not a we won't be involved but lose them as an avenue.

Their way or highway, no real middle ground posible

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obsoleteacct 6 points a year ago

The short term strategy would probably be to introduce Y payment processor and make it the preferred method of payment. Encourage it's use industry wide and encourage consumers to adopt that method as widely as possible.

If that takes off... Then they can tell the other processors to get fucked.

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wizardbeard 1 point a year ago

Changing payment processors/engaging a new one is anything but a short term thing to implement. Otherwise Mastercard and Visa wouldn't be in this situation to have this level of control to begin with.

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obsoleteacct 1 point a year ago

If 50 Cent could sell album for crypto from his nothing website a decade ago I feel like Valve has the technical wherewithal to implement one of 1,000 preexisting checkout solutions in the short term.

I think selling steam giftcards (an existing solution they're already using) at a markdown to expand that business would be pretty viable for a company that regularly marks their products down by up to 90%.

They could literally do both of these almost instantly as preferred options while still accepting the big cards.

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paultimate14 8 points a year ago

Part of the problem is that there are very few payment services and they all seem to be doing the same thing.

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SoftestSapphic 6 points a year ago

If Valve told the card companies to go fuck themselves then they would have never pulled support.

It was always a bluff, Visa and MC would never let go of that money over something so petty.

So yeah, I also blame the billion dollar corporations that rival the card companies bending to their demands.

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darkkite 6 points a year ago

People always say crypto has no value and is a scam but i don't see how a stablecoin like usdc isn't a much simpler solution vs trying to break the duopoly

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SpaceScotsman 5 points a year ago

What happens when anti-porn organisations like Collective Shout go after the currency exchanges?

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csh83669 4 points a year ago

Presumably they do what Visa/Mastercard should have done, and tell them to shove it. It’s just a bunch of uppity idiots from Australia, no one HAS to listen to them…

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chiliedogg 3 points a year ago

Crypto markets also need payment processors if people are going to buy and sell crypto.

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artyom 4 points a year ago

You don't need exchanges.

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chicken 1 point a year ago

What exactly would they demand from them? A cryptocurrency exchange is not like a credit card company which has a direct relationship with every customer and vendor and is in direct control of transactions, instead they just handle buying and selling of decentralized currencies which are transacted permissionlessly on their own networks.

It's a lot more like cash, especially the ones designed for privacy.

That said, stablecoins might also be a target, since they have freeze functions, I could see that becoming a problem.

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njm1314 5 points a year ago

I get your point, but the stores are still caving. They are still playing ball and banning things. That needs to be remembered too.

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BlameTheAntifa 3 points a year ago

Unfortunately, the alternative is that they cease to exist almost instantly. This is what happens when we allow monopolies and trusts.

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x00z 3 points a year ago

Payment Providers have been doing this for a longer time.

In 2010 for example they blocked donations towards WikiLeaks.

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MonkeBizNES 0 points a year ago

Look, I don't know how the average Lemme user feels about crypto, but if NSFW game creators created a platform where purchases happen only in crypto then MasterCard/Visa/Paypal would be irrelevant

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SheeEttin 8 points a year ago

And they'd lose a huge number of potential sales.

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FaceDeer 0 points a year ago

If only the Internet hadn't spent the last decade collectively shitting on crypto instead of maybe learning a bit about how it works and what it could be used for.

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Agrivar 5 points a year ago

If only crypto hadn't turned out to be the 21st-century version of fine art for money laundering and/or a Ponzi scheme designed to separate fools from their money...

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chicken 0 points a year ago

It turned out to be exactly what it was designed to be, a tool for making financial transactions online without needing anyone's permission.

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djsoren19 1 point a year ago

Yeah it wasn't the internet's fault that it became a ponzi scheme for techbros. Bitcoin got co-opted from its original use first, then became a laughingstock.

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FaceDeer 1 point a year ago

There's a lot more to cryptocurrency than Bitcoin.

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KiWilly -1 points a year ago

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