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atkion 9 points 3 years ago

I think this could be a pretty good system, but it would require a far more robust moderation framework than we have right now, as well as a lot of thought. I'm just brainstorming here, but I think at a minimum we would need:

  • An elegant appeal system for when bad calls are made, maybe even run the appeals back through the same moderation loop as regular reports (with a rate limit to prevent abuse)
  • A way to (democratically?) remove people with a history of opinionated or incorrect moderation decisions from the system
  • A better modlog, allowing complete transparency rather than "mod banned this user"
  • A distribution engine for moderation that does not allow users to pick and choose what they moderate, to avoid the issue pointed out by @ShadowAether@sh.itjust.works
  • A way to prevent the same few terminally-online user(s) from moderating constantly, to the point that the whole instance slowly warps to their preferences
  • Perhaps a method of giving accounts with strong reputations more weight in mod decisions? This one's definitely arguable, but I can imagine a future where people create bots or alts to auto-approve their rule-breaking posts
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tcely 4 points 3 years ago

A moderation bot that collated reports against rules and selected active users to vote on if the rule was broken or not seems like a useful thing to create to me.

Batching these into small groups and assembling a jury to decide if a particular rule was broken by each of the 1-7 reported posts should be a short task for the people involved. As long as the same people don't always end up being selected for the jury the results should be mostly good too.

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Derproid 3 points 3 years ago

Ooo these sound really good. Also if there are enough people moderating I think it could be better to allow multiple users to moderate the same content to avoid bias. Like 2/3 or 3/5 users must agree it's a rule violation before an action is taken.

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Waves 8 points 3 years ago

When Reddit started posturing about "democracy", I started thinking about a direct democracy would work for moderation.

In my mind, it's a lot like this - you ask members of the community to moderate a few comments. But you then take their decisions and put through another round with another temp mod.

Only if they corroborate each other do you perform a mod action. Not sure how mod tools handle it (long term obligations stress me out), but I envision you'd have to mark a comment for removal and check off the rule(s) it violates

Similar to your idea, it would turn a responsibility into volunteer work you could do in the moment, and it could ensure that the rules are based on the understanding the community has of them

There's a lot of ways to slice it, and it would need some light statistics, but it's something possible if people are into the idea

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jlj 8 points 3 years ago

Reminds me a bit of Slashdot's meta moderation, back in the day. I used to pick that up maybe once or twice a week, if I had a moment. The user experience was excellent; its benefits to the community were less clear to me, but I put that down to a transparency issue.

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thal3s 2 points 3 years ago

I completely forgot about meta moderation!

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ShadowAether 4 points 3 years ago

Stack exchange has a similar system. My problems with it: how the content reviewers are selected (people reviewing content they don't like creates a lot of reviewer bias, moderators usually only moderate content they have an interest in) and people spend more time "curating" content than creating it.

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Thalia 2 points 3 years ago

Something like Overwatch in CSGO/DotA?

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manifex 1 point 3 years ago

The moderation tools seem to be lacking in this software - looks like the popularity of this software may garner some attention and new code contribution.

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sneakyninjapants 0 points 3 years ago

I hope so. I've already run into other technical hurdles trying to sus our how a secret ballot vote would work in practice that a bot could probably solve. I know very little about coding but may end up having to roll up my sleeves and start to figure it out.

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manifex 2 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately, I wish I could make the time to contribute to this FOSS, as it looks promising. I may have to make some time to do the same - roll up my sleeves and see what's under the hood.

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GhostedIC 1 point 3 years ago

Is this supposed to be for admin reports only, or mod reports? I'd be nervous about community outsiders doing moderation. If its admin only then theres less wiggle room with rules and it is potentially more appeal-able. I still think the potential for crappy calls is pretty high.

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Apytele 3 points 3 years ago
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Goldmage263 0 points 3 years ago

I like this idea, but am unsure of implementation.

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Apytele 2 points 3 years ago
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