I don't make the rules

a year ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/historymemes

dual_sport_dork 47 points a year ago path: 0 18545723, hotness: undefined, score: 47, children: 8
CarbonIceDragon 45 points a year ago

Unfortunately, quite a few guys end up obsessed with that one.

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danc4498 13 points a year ago

Does it even count as an empire? He had what, 5-6 years occupying parts of Europe?

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Skua 20 points a year ago

I would say yes, just a very short-lived one. I'd struggle to come up with a definition of an empire that excluded Nazi Germany short of just arbitrarily imposing a minimum required lifespan. It was definitely a large, powerful, expansionist state that conquered other areas in order to subjugate them for the benefit of a metropole. The Reichskommisariats were basically intended as colonial administrations, not to mention client states like Slovakia

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RaivoKulli 5 points a year ago

parts of Europe

Quite big parts

1000040867

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CarbonIceDragon 5 points a year ago

What's the significance of the numbers?

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RaivoKulli 1 point a year ago

What numbers, all I see is the years

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Wrufieotnak 2 points a year ago

Does Napoleon and his realm count as empire for you? Or Alexander the Great?

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FreelanceJobsHub 1 point a year ago
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uss_entrepreneur 34 points a year ago

Do science fiction empires count? Because I got imperium of man

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The_Picard_Maneuver 29 points a year ago

Yes, but unfortunately the credits won't transfer out.

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jawa21 8 points a year ago
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PugJesus 3 points a year ago

All enjoyers of history are welcome at the Department 🙏

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FreelanceJobsHub 1 point a year ago
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Wbear 2 points a year ago

Goatee and/ or Shiny clothes

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A_cook_not_a_chef 8 points a year ago

Unofficial ruling:

Yes, they count.

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sga 2 points a year ago

if so, and we also include mangas, I am a one piece historian (and also a member of library of ohara)

(i accidentally wrote magas instead of mangas, but i am still leaving it here in brackets, because someone actually made a joke of it which gave me a slight chuckle, so do not want to ruin that)

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markz 3 points a year ago

also include magas

History is today!

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sga 2 points a year ago

sorry it was meant to be mangas

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MisterNeon 22 points a year ago

I'm glad I got included as the orange speech bubble.

Today is Chicome Coatl (7 Snake) in the Tonalpohualli. Party on nerds.

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cyrano 17 points a year ago path: 0 18545796, hotness: undefined, score: 17, children: 3
Trail 4 points a year ago

Ah. The Persian empire then.

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Skua 4 points a year ago

Well, one of several

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Danquebec 2 points a year ago

The most amazing empire.

Well, that one or the Inca empire.

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burgermeister 15 points a year ago

I was assigned The Scythians late in life

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shneancy 14 points a year ago

i was assigned Ancient Egypt pretty early on, i made my mum read to me things like the process of mummification for bedtime stories

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Soapbox 1 point a year ago

Same here. By around 3rd grade I had taught myself how to phonetically read/write hieroglyphs. So I would write all sorts of English stuff in hieroglyphs, but I still couldn't actually understand ancient Egyptian.

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shneancy 2 points a year ago

somehow my brain did a flip and i did the same but with nordic runes (elder futhark to be exact). now i'm catching up and trying to learn some ancient egyptian in my free time

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CptBread 14 points a year ago

Wait... You're only supposed to get one? Do I return the others somehow? Is there any support email or phone I can contact?

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PugJesus 14 points a year ago

Mughals are pretty cool, Mongol guy is right

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Skullgrid 8 points a year ago

Genghis Kahn did nothing wrong, he did it all for Börte.

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sga 3 points a year ago

one could make an argument that mughal empire is mongol empire, in the same sense that byzantine is roman (but not really)

babar, first (almost undisputed) ruler of mughal empire was descendant of Timur and Genghis Khan.

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Skullgrid 3 points a year ago

Unfortunately, I'm not indian enough to feel the same connection to the mughals as I do the mongols.

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sga 6 points a year ago

understandable.

I do not feel that connected to any empire, but if you talk in today terms, what is india, was not really a 1 big soverign entity. It was much like todays europe - tonnes of states. One could argue mughals were the most recent empire under which a very large part of current India was under (almost entirety of north and west and central). they had a larger cultural impact. Our current most spoken language (hindi) did not exist, lets just say, 200 years ago. there were tonnes of derivaties from older sanskrit and dravidian roots (european equivalent would be romanic and germanic roots). what mughals brought (not them, it existed before as brought by trade and previous empire (tipu sultante, which is very small, but still some what important)) were the languages usually used in islamic world - arabic and persian (farsi as we call it). from these older languages and their amalgamations we got "hindustani" . Consider it parent of hindi and urdu (most spoken languages in northern india, and pakistan). these 2 languages are in some sense same - 2 speakers can communicate orally, but not in writing, because urdu reatined the arabic script, and hindi retained the devanagri script (sanskrit). Mughals had a large enough impact on india, something our current administration really tries to downplay, and paint in very bad light. Yes, they were not the ideal, utopic, do-no-evil kingdom. But no empire has been that, ever. they were very comparable in terms of other empires in terms of social standards.

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Rusty 3 points a year ago

They gave us Biryani!

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Skua 13 points a year ago

Mongol guy's font change has been living in my head all afternoon. Why is it only him? Why does getting the Mongol empire make him start speaking in a Charles-Rennie-Mackintosh-looking font? Like, the artist obviously likes to play it loose with typefaces in the rest of the comic too, but this one guy seems like the centre of the typographical attention and I do not understand the choices made

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PugJesus 4 points a year ago

He was so excited about his pick that he BECAME part of the Department

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reptar 12 points a year ago

That wow looks like it's coming out of that butt

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sober_monk 12 points a year ago

Does the Byzantine Empire count or do we kind of file that under Rome?

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The_Picard_Maneuver 8 points a year ago

It has its own Wikipedia page, so it checks out.

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Saleh 6 points a year ago

What about the Holy Roman empire of German Nation?

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The_Picard_Maneuver 3 points a year ago

Hmm, it sort of shares the page, so sure thing.

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hansolo 7 points a year ago

1,000,000% counts and is not the same thing as the Roman Empire.

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Skua 7 points a year ago

I'd argue it is the same thing, it's just that the Roman Empire lasted so long and it was changing the whole time, so it's often necessary to compartmentalise it to a degree

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hansolo 2 points a year ago

Then why call it the Eastern Roman Empire, or the Byzantine Empire if it's the same thing?

Sure, splitting the Empire in 286 was simply a practical matter, but by the time Constantine I moved the capitol and changed the state religion, just because they still called themselves "Romans" day to day until the Ottomans showed up in 1453, doesn't automatically mean they're the same empire. There were 2 emporors and 2 courts, effectively 2 separate governments. In very technical terms, the split was a legal loophole to maintain a "single" empire on paper for their own egos and to avoid conflict. In practice and in hindsight, they're 2 different things.

It's a bit like saying that any Commonwealth county is the same as the UK. It's not truly. Let's imagine that just before WWI, King George V decided to pick up and move to Australia and start calling it "The Southern United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland," and leave another family member in charge as "co-regent" in London. Then watch as WWI tears Europe apart and the German Empire 50 years later invades London and takes it and colonial countries scatter away from George V's grip. Does the British Empire still exist? I would say no. What say you? Other than this would make some great alternate historical fiction.

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Skua 3 points a year ago

Then why call it the Eastern Roman Empire, or the Byzantine Empire if it's the same thing?

Because it's helpful to compartmentalise something with so much history. We can refer to Capetian France and Valois France even though they're both still France, for example. It is unusual for such compartmentalisation to be used with a geographic aspect rather than (only) temporally, but the Roman Empire was unusually big, especially for its time

The two were, of course, independent from one another for basically all practical purposes. I just also think that both are equally the meaningful continuation of the united empire

In very technical terms, the split was a legal loophole to maintain a "single" empire on paper for their own egos and to avoid conflict. In practice and in hindsight, they're 2 different things.

Surely if we are going with the principle that only one of the two halves of the empire is the real continuation, it ought to be the one that kept the capital and administrative structure of the unified empire? Or if neither is the real continuation, did the empire die under Diocletian and then Constantine ruled over a separate entity altogether after the end of the tetrarchy?

Does the British Empire still exist? I would say no.

To keep the analogy accurate here, we'd have to make a few changes. The British monarchy does not call itself the "Southern UK" - you pointed out yourself that the Romans did not call the ERE a different thing - and it'd also have to keep control of a substantial chunk of the colonies when Britain falls to Germany. I do think that, in that case of George V moving to Australia and continuing to rule, say, New Zealand, India, and South Africa from there, I would still consider it the same empire. This exact situation actually pretty much happened in real life with Portugal and Brazil, it just didn't happen in advance of the fall of Portugal and didn't last very long.

Other than this would make some great alternate historical fiction.

I think one of the big HOI4 mods, Kaiserreich, actually does do this! Although as I understand it, it was due to a communist revolution after a stalemated WWI. I do not know the details as I've never played it, I only found out because I had been chatting about ideas for an alt history WWI outcome with a friend and we found out that we had basically accidentally come up with Kaiserreich's version of Europe

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MisterNeon 4 points a year ago

I think you get to make that call.

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Dasus 11 points a year ago

Plebs are obsessed with empires.

Level up and start being interested in ideologies, mythologies, languages and in larger terms, cultures.

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darcranium123 2 points a year ago

I agree.... I'm obsessed with certain native tribes cultures. It's probably because our culture sucks and we are unconsciously searching for a better way

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Dasus 2 points a year ago

I wouldn't say I agree 100% with McKenna, but he was a genius.

Terence McKenna Explains his Most Fundamental Concept “The Archaic Revival”

I won't start writing my own version, I'd end up hitting the char limit. But I used to enjoy listening to him a lot. Still do sometimes.

Edit listening to this clip note that this is like a taped speech from the 90's and McKenna is literally discussing memes. Back then it was just the scientific concept, not the cultural thing internet knows it as. But still. It's around 10min

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FreelanceJobsHub 0 points a year ago
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Olhonestjim 11 points a year ago

Only since the last season of Cosmos got me obsessed with the Indus Valley Civilization. I'm over 40.

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PugJesus 8 points a year ago

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Skua 4 points a year ago

This is arguably more of a Sumer question, but how do you feel about the theory that the Indus Valley Civilisation can be identified as the Meluhha that the early Mesopotamians traded with?

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Olhonestjim 3 points a year ago

I'm optimistic about it. It seems likely given the types of minerals found in Mesopotamian artifacts can be traced to mines near the Indus.

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Skua 3 points a year ago

That's more or less where I'm at too. I do have to recognise some personal bias though. Partly because I don't know that much about the Indus Valley Civilisation. Partly because for some reason I find it quite frustrating to not have a "proper" name for a society when talking about them, even though I completely understand on a rational level that we just don't have enough information to know what they called themselves

Still, I totally understand how someone could become fascinated by this society in particular. We have so much evidence but never quite enough for solid answers in so many cases. It's a tantalising mystery

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Olhonestjim 2 points a year ago

It drives me crazy that we haven't translated their written language, and know none of their stories, none of their heros, philosophers, or rulers. What we have gleaned from their artifacts suggests a marvelous society rich with tales, and every single one of them is currently lost. I need to go visit their cities one day.

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fritobugger2017 10 points a year ago

I got the Grateful Dead as a freshman in uni and have stuck with that.

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carbonari_sandwich 4 points a year ago

I think they're just supposed to be interests, not religions.

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Jankatarch 4 points a year ago

Caliphates still count.

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KazuyaDarklight 10 points a year ago

Hmmm... "The Galactic Empire" eh? I can work with that.

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Apeman42 10 points a year ago

Mine just said "the Daevites", and the walls started dripping blood when I opened it. Should I be concerned?

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ChicoSuave 9 points a year ago

Excuse me, mine says "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" but it's not doing anything. Can I get a new one?

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Deceptichum 9 points a year ago
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Zorsith 8 points a year ago

"Britain"

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Rhaedas 8 points a year ago

Klingon. For glory!

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SassyRamen 7 points a year ago

Currently watching a documentary on the Celtic Peoples.

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AmazingAwesomator 6 points a year ago

mordern wars, though mostly world war 2 here. so i guess its american and european modern empires.

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fckreddit 6 points a year ago

I have been obsessed with the fall of empires because that means that this shitty capitalist hellscape won't be around forever.

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hansolo 6 points a year ago

Songhai Empire? Hell yessssss!

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ThePyroPython 5 points a year ago

Could be worse, could be obsessed with the British Empire.

Those gammon cunts are a bit annoying.

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Kolanaki 5 points a year ago

The Nobunaga and Tokugawa Shogunates.

And I'm not even a weeb. I only like, like, 6 animes. 😌

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Jankatarch 1 point a year ago

Did you count pokemon?

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starman2112 1 point a year ago

Is one of them Intrigue in the Bakumatsu?

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bhamlin 1 point a year ago

Is one of them Boku no Pico? 😉

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gandalf_der_12te 4 points a year ago

now great, what will google think of me 🙄

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dreary8154 0 points a year ago

That's how it starts

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dwemthy 5 points a year ago

I got Dhakaani

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pachrist 5 points a year ago

If I pick the same country every time I play Civ, can I test out of this course?

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Itdidnttrickledown 4 points a year ago

Thank goodness I'm too old to give a incan shit about this.

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fubarx 4 points a year ago

The Seleucid would like to have a word with management.

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some_guy 4 points a year ago

Sumerians. Cuneiform. Suck it everyone who came after.

Homer? Try the Epic of Gilgamesh, you posers!

Allow me to once again recommend The Fall of Civilizations Podcast. It's excellent.

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bricklove 3 points a year ago

I got the early medieval period but there's a distinct lack of empires in Europe at that time

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_LordMcNuggets_ 3 points a year ago

Napoleonic France 😍

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FreelanceJobsHub 1 point a year ago
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gandalf_der_12te 3 points a year ago

i got the martians. it's a future empire, does that still count?

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HugeNerd 3 points a year ago

Do the Etruscans count?

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RizzRustbolt 2 points a year ago

I got the Sea Peoples.

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Soapbox 2 points a year ago

Ancient Egypt checking in.

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zebidiah 2 points a year ago

Team Etruscans ftw mother fuckers!

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stevedice 1 point a year ago

Mexicas. There was no Aztec Empire.

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KazuyaDarklight 0 points a year ago
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