Data Organization

a year ago by cm0002 to c/programmer_humor

KoboldCoterie 118 points a year ago

I often catch myself using Downloads to store a very suspicious quantity of files.

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marsza 54 points a year ago

Yes. Downloads is the way.

If you want to make yourself organize better, set up a cron to remove all downloads older than 7 days 😳 then you’ll be efficientβ€”and probably have nightmares.

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ScintillatingStruthio 24 points a year ago

No,I'll just disable the cron job before it executes and forget about it.

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okr765 46 points a year ago

😳 > du -sh Downloads         168G    Downloads

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GreenMartian 33 points a year ago

You're a massive du -sh

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notarobot 12 points a year ago

Downloads is usually my largest folder. Funny thing is that it is literally all just Linux isos because I'm trying some things with servers

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bumblefumble 1 point a year ago

"Linux ISOs"

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notarobot 4 points a year ago

They are actually Linux isos. But also ironically, one of the things I'm trying to set up is the *arr set of tools

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cenzorrll 0 points a year ago

"Trying some things"

Then you end up liking what you slapped together with jank and a prayer to the temporary work-around and now there's a new prod server!

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notarobot 1 point a year ago

I wish. I've never kept a personal server up for more than a month. I just never use them

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marduk 10 points a year ago

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marlowe221 5 points a year ago

Linux or Windows… doesn’t matter. Downloads is where I. Will find it.

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Dave 3 points a year ago

Yeah cause my work computer limits onedrive storage to like 100mb and downloads is one if the only places where I have write access and it doesn't go to onedrive.

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nymnympseudonym 60 points a year ago

If you call the bottom picture a "Data Lake" you can IPO and walk away with millions

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thejml 24 points a year ago

"Unstructured Data".

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Randelung 10 points a year ago

It's horizontal scaling!

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JackbyDev 3 points a year ago

Time series

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rumba 59 points a year ago

I shit you not, IT around 2004, I had a nurse who stored all her important docs in "Recyle Bin"

She put in a ticket that her computer was slow. We scheduled a time to look at it and made sure she knew to be there.

When I showed up, she had left to go to lunch on purpose so she could take a free long lunch. I asked her manager to call her back in, she refused.

I diagnosed she was out of space, and emptied her bin.

That did not end up going well.

She was furious, Her boss was mad. My boss was pissed that it happened but considered it reasonable since she refused to be there.

I spent the better part of 4 hours undeleting deleted recycle bin contents which is WAYYYYYY harder than undeleting deleted files. They're already UUID's and bringing them back into existence will not put them back in the recycle bin, all that meta is gone.

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Appoxo 29 points a year ago

Well duh.
It is a recycle bin after all.
The thoughts will be reused at some point for something new /s

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sleen 11 points a year ago
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rumba 10 points a year ago

I asked her what the fuck she was thinking later in the process. She knew that files weren't supposed to be there She just thought it was a good idea, and was very defensive borderline offensive about being able to store files wherever she wanted.

My first inclination was she was just putting non-work-related stuff in there so that her manager would never see it. But no, there were hundreds of megs of work related stuff. I recommended she not store the 500 megs of personal digital camera fodder on what computer if she was that tight on space. Hard drives of this era were only a handful of gigs large. She just flipped out some more demanded a bigger disc. I had a private consult with her manager and mentioned that We could get a bigger desk but it was going to come out of her budget. She declined.

A year later we did SOX compliance and as part of that we deleted emails over 3 months and deleted any recycling bin data over a month old. I made sure her manager noted this and that it would delete her preferred file storage and never heard another word out of them.

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JackbyDev 2 points a year ago

Apparently ISO 8601:2000 allowed YY-MM-DD, but the 2004 version does not.

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rumba 1 point a year ago

Til

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undefined 29 points a year ago

I’ll say that as much as I love Apple and macOS, Finder has some pretty terrible defaults that make file management pretty difficult for the average user. The default β€œAll Files” view is atrocious.

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dohpaz42 35 points a year ago
  1. Not being able to create a file
  2. Folders aren’t by default listed at the top
  3. Spring-loaded folders are hit or miss
  4. No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once
  5. No good intuitive way to reset any folder defaults
  6. .DS_Store and ._DS_Store (nuff said)
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SmoothLiquidation 8 points a year ago

I HATE that windows will sort folders at the top instead of alphabetically with everything else. I guess it comes from using a Mac for so long.

I agree about .DS_Store in any mixed os environment though.

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undefined 3 points a year ago

Yeah, I don’t know why having folders at the top would make anything easier.

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ScintillatingStruthio 15 points a year ago

Because if you're looking for a subfolder you're not looking for a file, and vice versa? It doesn't matter much in sparse directories, but it annoys me having to scroll through a ton of files to find the folder I want in directories with both.

I too like a lot of things about Mac, but finder could be improved, for sure.

(I have gotten used to a lot of its features and hate Windows' defaults too, so there's that. I don't think an ideal exists, unless it's in Linux somewhere and I just need to dual boot the desktop and get it over with)

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dan 6 points a year ago

What is a spring-loaded folder?

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ScintillatingStruthio 5 points a year ago

I use that all the time but never knew it had a specific name.

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dan 2 points a year ago

This doesn't sound any easier than using Ctrl+X to cut files and Ctrl+V to paste them wherever you want to?

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bitjunkie 1 point a year ago
  1. Download iTerm2
  2. See 1
  3. See 2
  4. See 3
  5. See 4
  6. See 5
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dohpaz42 1 point a year ago

Last I checked that’s not a Finder replacement. πŸ˜‰

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Clent -3 points a year ago

Folders aren’t by default listed at the top

This is a aweful windows only thing. Anyone who likes it should be ashamed.

No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once

This is inexperience with the finder because it's ridiculously easy to set this.

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dohpaz42 4 points a year ago

Folders aren’t by default listed at the top

This is a aweful windows only thing. Anyone who likes it should be ashamed.

No. You cannot and will not shame me for something that is not shame worthy. Shame on you for trying.

No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once

This is inexperience with the finder because it’s ridiculously easy to set this.

Do tell oh wise one. I’ve been using MacOS for over 15 years, and would love to learn the ways of a master such as yourself.

πŸ™„

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Clent -1 points a year ago

No. You cannot and will not shame me for something that is not shame worthy. Shame on you for trying.No good intuitive way to set defaults for ALL folders at once

You should be extra ashamed for not being ashamed and additionally shamed for taking this so seriously that you feel it necessary to attempt to shame someone who cheekily said you should be ashamed.

Do tell oh wise one. I’ve been using MacOS for over 15 years, and would love to learn the ways of a master such as yourself

Let me ChatGPT that for you without giving a shit how this formats, followed by more shame for relaxing your struggle with things because you lack the gumption to figure these things out in your own despite 15 years of use.

  1. Open a Finder Window

Pick any folder (usually your Home folder is a good starting point).

βΈ»

  1. Set the View You Want β€’ Choose your preferred view style: β€’ Icons: ⌘1 β€’ List: ⌘2 β€’ Columns: ⌘3 β€’ Gallery: ⌘4

Then adjust things like: β€’ Column widths β€’ Sorting / Arrange by β€’ Sidebar visibility β€’ Preview pane visibility

βΈ»

  1. Apply with β€œShow View Options”
    1. With the folder open, press ⌘J (or go to View β†’ Show View Options).
    2. At the bottom of the panel, you’ll see: β€’ Use as Defaults (for List, Icon, or Gallery views) β€’ Always open in … view
    3. Click Use as Defaults β†’ this sets your chosen view/layout for all folders of that type.
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BorgDrone 0 points a year ago

Why would you use the Finder when macOS has a perfectly fine shell?

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bitjunkie 5 points a year ago

Image previews because I give my memes really dumb filenames

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undefined 4 points a year ago

zsh? I mean, I use that too… but what does that have to do with anything?

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BorgDrone 0 points a year ago

You can do all file management operations from the command line. No need to use the Finder.

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undefined 5 points a year ago

I don’t think the β€œaverage user” is going to drop Finder to use the terminal.

In fact though I’m not an β€œaverage user”and use bash, zsh pretty much every day, there are still some things I’d rather do in Finder.

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shnizmuffin 29 points a year ago

Anyone who uses YYMMDD instead of ISO 8601 needs to be fed feet first into a wood chipper.

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absentbird 23 points a year ago

ISO 8601 is YYYYMMDD (or YYYY-MM-DD in extended format)

Are you really going to wood chipper someone for leaving off the leading 20? I think we can safely infer the century and millennium with a high confidence, why not trade them for two extra name characters?

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shnizmuffin 26 points a year ago

As an old person who has archives dating back to the 90s, yes.

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ScintillatingStruthio 9 points a year ago

So do I, but I don't think I need to worry too much about confusing them with 2090.

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5C5C5C 3 points a year ago

Just you wait...

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RaivoKulli 1 point a year ago

Now the alphabetical view doesn't sort them by date

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absentbird 4 points a year ago

Here you go gramps:

(shortD) => {
    return parseInt(shortD.slice(0, 2), 10) > 50 ? "19" + shortD : "20"+shortD;
}
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5C5C5C 13 points a year ago

Did the software industry learn nothing from Y2K? Was it too long ago already for people to remember the mess we made for ourselves?

Saving two characters in a file name is not worth the hell you are leaving in your trail by shoving this nonsense in an obscure corner of production code that people are going to forget about until it's too late.

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shnizmuffin 1 point a year ago

LOL!

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points a year ago

are we just talking digital because i've inherited archives. my current one only goes back to the 1950s but in the next decades i expect to get some going back centuries.

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shnizmuffin 3 points a year ago

I helped digitally convert my local library's microfilm archives, mostly newspapers, but also some really old titles and deeds. Tons of stuff from the 1800s.

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5C5C5C 11 points a year ago

I recently had an accountant file something for the IRS that was dated as expiring in 1940 when it should've been 2040. I had to catch it myself after reading through 70 pages of dense forms before it was sent off, and I could've easily missed it.

Digital records have existed long enough now that it's downright irresponsible to leave off the century for anything where having an accurate date might even slightly matter.

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absentbird 3 points a year ago

The exact date of creation is usually preserved in the filesystem, we're just talking about what to name the documents themselves. The filename should be short and to the point, it gets truncated if it's too long, and on windows you only have 260 characters for the entire path to the file plus the name.

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5C5C5C 8 points a year ago

If two characters are hurting your 260 character limit then you have other more serious problems to contend with.

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PokerChips 4 points a year ago

I use to do that but got tired of typing out unnecessary characters and appreciate the shorter character length. I think my folders and files will be long gone by Y2Point1K.

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ulterno 3 points a year ago

So, was the time of murder 20th of October 2021 - 1:25 PM or 21st of October 2020 - 1:25 AM?

Depending upon that, you may/may-not have an alibi.

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absentbird 0 points a year ago

We're just talking about the filename, the exact creation time is tracked by the OS. Plus I'd imagine most documents also have a time and date inside. The file name is mostly for sorting and human readability.

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ulterno 1 point a year ago

Oh, it was just filenames, not everything-everywhere?
Then I guess it's fine.

What's this date btw?
10/8/10

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Shady_Shiroe 5 points a year ago

I like my YYYY.MM.DD-text format and you can sue me for it

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shnizmuffin 13 points a year ago

Dots are reserved for filetype information, heathen.

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ulterno 0 points a year ago

hehe yeah

Your full file extension ends up being: MM.DD-text
but hopefully noone needs to parse it that way.

I tend to use YYYY-MM-DD_hh:mm:ss.zzz or YYYY-MM-DD_hh-mm-ss.zzz depending upon the requirement and just recently realised the problem with the . before the zzz.
Luckily I don't need to add the zzz quite often.

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mrgoosmoos 3 points a year ago

I make a point to train people on this at work, and I also make a point to periodically delete all relevant files that are not dated or not dated correctly

oh no you lost some important files? should've followed the standards

we only have so much space and your 1.2 GB undated file that isn't even in the folder it should be in is getting deleted

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points a year ago

one place i was at had ridiculous formatting standards. but like i loved that i could tell everything in a document by reading its title. just, when your pdf scan of your supporting documents for your tax return is 135 pages long, well the title took ten minutes to read

it was like 2010 tax return supporting documents + w2 - john doe - abc corp + w2 - john doe - def corp + 1099INT - john doe - BankBank +...pdf

and one of my jobs was to double check that the title accurately represented all 135 documents in that godsforsaken supporting documents scan. That was a rough year.

Other firm i worked at that year, because i was stupid and moonlit at TWO tax firms one tax season, just called the file SUPPORTING DOCS.pdf . Typed everything in all caps because we thought the IRS was blind. Also allowed us to stream music online and not have to play it on headphones with our doors shut in our offices. They were better.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points a year ago

nah sideways

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lord_ryvan 1 point a year ago

I assumed they meant it like 2025-08-18…

Though TBF I sometimes rename files using the terminal and go mv $file "some_name_$(date +%s),ext"

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30p87 17 points a year ago

"SDD"?

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probable_possum 22 points a year ago

"SDD"?

Yes. Solid Disk Disk.

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notarobot 10 points a year ago

Solid disk drive

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homesweethomeMrL 3 points a year ago

Thank you.

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jjjalljs 17 points a year ago

I think most computer users now don't know that file systems exist

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dan 12 points a year ago

Especially younger people. They're used to files just... being there on their phone. Photo albums? Nah, just scroll though every photo you've ever taken to find the right one.

That, and having powerful search functionality + tagging has made perfect folder structures less of a requirement. I've never had trouble finding documents in paperless-ngx just by searching, for example.

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lord_ryvan 2 points a year ago

Photo albums? Nah, just scroll though every photo you’ve ever taken to find the right one.

Then screenshot it so that the screenshot of the photo is at the top, then switch to the other app and upload the screenshot of the photo there.

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Shady_Shiroe 17 points a year ago

Man, I hate my moms pc folder layout, like why do you have Documents folder inside of documents folder inside of Documents folder? Why do you create excel sheets inside Downloads folder when you didn't download them???

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i_am_not_a_robot 17 points a year ago

Just missing a random pile of files on the desktop.

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sundray 6 points a year ago

What is this "desktop" of which you speak?

Is that what's under all these files?

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Zorsith 1 point a year ago

Desktops, are like ogres. They have layers 😬

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unphazed 4 points a year ago

My actual desk and office - messy. My desktop - folder, folder, 4 shortcuts. My phone -groups of apps ordered by function - Pebble, Office, Entertainment, etc. My garage - absolute hoarder nightmare from hell cause I just can't seem to get to it. Why I can be ordered in one area and not in another is beyond me.

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weariedfae 15 points a year ago

Ok. Calling me out like that. It's fine, I deserve it.

I store everything "temporarily" because "I'll sort it later" on the Desktop.

It's never later.

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askat 2 points a year ago

I call it "Purgatory"

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sykaster 2 points a year ago

The most items I had on my work desktop was 1366, they were overlapping on my screen and windows+D would lag the whole computer. It was glorious.

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Fenrisulfir 10 points a year ago

wtf is an SDD?

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Henson 9 points a year ago

Super duper drive ...

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Unyieldingly 1 point a year ago
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mfigueiredo 9 points a year ago

P.A.R.A. - It's a simple organization method and very easy to maintain.

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luciferofastora 2 points a year ago

This is really damn good. Thanks for sharing it!

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BorgDrone 8 points a year ago

Do you even git?

Surely experiment 1…n should be branches.

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shnizmuffin 3 points a year ago

With git LFS there's no excuse.

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fristislurper 3 points a year ago

You guys have never had to handle a 300GB tiff file from microscopy and it shows.

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NJSpradlin 8 points a year ago

I find myself having too many nested folders, and I’m just a normie. I wonder how deep they go for you tech people.

At some points, Windows won’t let me change the file name because it was too long and I’m assuming the file path to it plus the ridiculously long name (β€œperson last name, first name - type of document (purpose) yyyymmdd”) just breaks Windows.

Sometimes I have to copy those files to my desktop just to rename the new file, so that I can upload the file to an online system that only lets me upload files with names under 42 characters long. It’s wild.

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bitjunkie 7 points a year ago

This was one of the reasons I quit trying to develop on Windows way back when. I had a very well organized system of subfolders for all my code, and it was literally running into some kind of path length limit trying to import deeply nested dependencies in certain projects. This was WELL into the era of 64-bit computing, absolutely no excuse other than Microsoft taking shortcuts.

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ScintillatingStruthio 4 points a year ago

I still run into this issue when one of my company's clients requires developing on Windows. Doesn't take many subfolders before node_modules just starts breaking.

There are lots of reasons I hate developing on windows and that's certainly one of them.

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Eheran 7 points a year ago

You can enable long names in Windows, essentially removing that restriction and giving you the power of all the sub folders up to something like 26'000 characters.

  1. Open the Registry Editor.
  2. Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem
  3. Find the LongPathsEnabled DWORD value, double-click it, and set its value to 1
  4. Restart your computer
  5. Be free and happy
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NJSpradlin 6 points a year ago

That sounds like something my organization would have restricted access to.

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bleistift2 4 points a year ago

And I guess this isn’t the default for backwards compatibility with 1978’s tech?

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dan 4 points a year ago

A lot of apps still use legacy Windows APIs that don't understand very long paths. Those APIs have been deprecated for maybe 15 years or more, but developers are lazy. Microsoft can't add support for long paths to the old APIs because they use a fixed buffer size (which means that only a certain amount of memory space is available for the path, and increasing it would break the apps that rely on that). They can't totally remove the old APIs because every app that uses them would break.

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bleistift2 3 points a year ago

They can’t totally remove the old APIs because every app that uses them would break.

For every other company I would buy that argument. But for one that forces customers to throw away millions of computers which can’t run Win 11… no.

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bitjunkie 0 points a year ago

Well son of a bitch, there was a workaround

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Lightfire228 2 points a year ago

In my obsidian notes folder, i have

  • 01 - Inbox
  • 02 - Breadbox
  • 03 - Data

.

  • Inbox is for newly created notes
  • Breadbox is for notes that i need to reference or otherwise want quick access to
  • Data is for everything else

For file navigation, i use links and references within the notes themselves, which creates a network of linked files that is far far easier to navigate than folders


Everything else is sorta all over the place, but in general

  • ~/Documents
    • dumping ground for important documents, folders are arbitrarily made as I go
  • ~/Downloads
    • dumping grounds for downloaded things, generally important files are moved elsewhere
  • ~/Code is where i put all of my personal projects and other junk related to programming

~/ is the user home directory

  • C:\Users\Name for windows
  • /home/name for linux

For pictures, i use a self hosted Immich instance

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Appoxo 1 point a year ago

Too deep.
I am having a peoblem bwcause sometimes I broke my own rules or sorted every itme in it's own folder.

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notarobot 1 point a year ago

In my projects folder I have an "all" folder where I store all my projects. But back at the projects folder there are others like "by-client", " by-language", and "by-date". When I make a new project I create it inside the all folder, and then place shortcuts inside the corresponding folders.

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NJSpradlin 1 point a year ago

I do something like:

From Documents > β€˜routine documents’ > FY > Month > Section (personnel, operations, or logistics) > and whatever task from there for my main day-to-day stuff

But, for operations outside of the monthly sort, like managing personnel training, it gets really weird;

From Documents > Training > FY > department > categories of training > subcategory > individual person’s folder for the course > application folders with dates (the last folder here is when the one that got approved and they’re going to the school on).

This one is where I end up with file names I can’t rename.

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malware 1 point a year ago

My paths are pretty short ngl /home/user/devel/projects/android/testproject/ Probably is the longest one. Or maybe even /home/user/devel/lessons/dotnet-aspnet/exam/AspnetExam/xxxroot/libs/bootstrap-icons/ But that one is temporary, I'll archive it once it's done

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sk1nnym1ke 8 points a year ago
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devilish666 2 points a year ago

I wish someone make github but for documents. Image your documents can be forked by someone and has many branches and revisions, it must be hilarious.

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EvilCartyen 8 points a year ago

You can literally just upload a library of documents to github or another repo service like codeberg. That's basically what a code project is, a bunch of files.

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luciferofastora 2 points a year ago

The main difference being that code is typically stored in plain text files, where you can more easily compare and merge differences, while some other document types are harder to diff usefully. That doesn't mean you can't use git to keep their version history, it just means resolving merge conflicts might be a bitch.

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dustyData 3 points a year ago

You just described SVN. It's what we used before the invention of git. And is still used today for team projects that use complex file formats, like images, binary blobs, 3d models, that sort of stuff. It will work with any files.

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lessthanluigi 8 points a year ago

> says SSD
> shows a symbol of an HDD

> MFW most people don't care because they understand the nuance of communication except for me

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Manalith 10 points a year ago

Actually it says SDD. Must be referring to those SeaGate hybrid drives, but even those are referred to as SSHD, so I'm at a loss for what they mean.

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lessthanluigi 0 points a year ago

So i not the only one who misspells. Cool!

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Visstix 5 points a year ago

That's clearly an ipod

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conartistpanda 6 points a year ago

Just put it all in the same folder and call it something like:

20250816_ProjectType_ActualNameHere_v001

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londos 7 points a year ago

How about New folder (11)/Final/Final2/TO DELETE/New version/DO NOT DELETE/20250816_Version 4

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conartistpanda 1 point a year ago

Mmmmm... Just format the hard drive.

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BingBong 4 points a year ago path: 0 18817628, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Blaster_M 3 points a year ago

Realistically, the skip should be named "Desktop"

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gerryflap 2 points a year ago

Hmmm yeah. But most of it lives in an automatic cloud backup as well.. Photos, important documents, game saves, programming projects. I've lost drives before and apart from one or two moments where I couldn't find a very specific file I didn't really miss anything. The only things that I really do need to backup at the moment are my music projects and the raw files from my photography

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Hobbes_Dent 2 points a year ago

~/Desktop/sort/sort/sortme/shit_from_dt/sort/really_important_shit/sort

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Alexstarfire 1 point a year ago

Hey, I know what's in my folder labeled Stuff.

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bitjunkie 1 point a year ago

Ugh thanks for reminding me to clean up my desktop, I guess…

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tfm -1 points a year ago

Data shouldn't be organized hirarchically.

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ScintillatingStruthio 1 point a year ago

How would you propose to organize it then?

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tfm 1 point a year ago

Relationally

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finitebanjo -1 points a year ago

Shouldn't it show the directory the file is in instead of just showing them grouped together? Or is Projects 2 through 4 in the Project 1 folder and ditto with all of the experiment folders?

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Eheran 3 points a year ago

It is clear what the comic is trying to communicate and does so locally sound.

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notarobot 1 point a year ago

It's not like a comic has to be realistic

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