fairphone could rule... but oh well-
a year ago by maria ~ to c/onehundredninetysix
INFO!!! fairphone DOES SUPPORT CUSTOM ROMS!!!
i like the idea of a fairphone. i dun wana buy one tho - if it doesn hav the features i need/wan.
if fairphone had all dis stuff - it would hav a genuine moat, besides the sustainability stff-
A 3.5mm to USBC converter really does cost less than a coffee... Was probably not made with ethical labour tho
I always see this argument but I really don't want anything plugged into anything as important as the USB-C port while the phone is in my pocket.
3.5 plugs are rather short outside of the phone (at least for headphones with 90deg plugs) to minimize leverage that you put on the port. Being able to rotate also means less stress on the port as well.
The USB-C adapters are pretty short, but lack the rotation. I have replaced USB-C ports in dozens of Nintendo Switches and other devices, it is pretty clear they aren't designed to take much stress.
Long story short if anything happens I would much rather have the 3.5mm pin stuck in a headphone jack than breaking the USB-C port and making it so my phone is a brick.
Totally valid. My fairphone USB port broke after a few years. Took a £20 part and ten minutes to fix, but it's definitely still an issue with USB C.
However, 3.5mm to USB-C adapters are not passive, they're active. They need a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate audio signals from the digital data stream that comes from the USB-C.
Phones didn't use to have very good DACs (with exceptions, of course), but they're still normally better than whatever you get from a 3€ adapter.
Adapters are also less convenient than a headphone jack, because now you need to remember taking the adapter and the headphones with you.
However, 3.5mm to USB-C adapters are not passive, they’re active. They need a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate audio signals from the digital data stream that comes from the USB-C.
There are entirely passive adapters, but they'll only work if the phone has the necessary hardware of course.
I'd consider that if they added a second USB port, but no. Why would anyone want to use headphones while their phone is plugged in?
I use a dongle and get better audio quality than I ever had on an integrated jack. I really don't care if a phone has the jack. If I want something compact on the go, I use bluetooth ears. If I want to listen to high quality audio, I use the dongle with a quality DAC with proper headphones.
"focus on feature people want" crowd when you tell them you don't want a headphone jack: Downvote, your opinion doesn't matter.
Edit to add on your point: using a DAC or Bluetooth and I have better sound audio than an abused jack that is the first thing to break on my phones. Plus no cable to annoy me and get tangled everywhere.
I understand some people don't want to move on but they then act like there is such a huge market for it and that everybody should want one. Spoiler: the market says no, if it was a differentiator for sales more phones would have one.
Fairphone has sources available for it and an unlockable bootloader. There are nightly builds of Lineage already available for the FP6
For the uninitiated, does this mean 1 complaint listed in the post isn't true?
Yes and OP seems to have added that info in the description
And the removable battery was really awesome. Being able to turn your phone off completely in just 10 seconds without any tools. Or pop in a spare one and have a fully charged phone on the go.
Yeah. This is also my opinion. I don’t trust phones to be completely disconnected when there is no physical switch, just a button that has to be pressed.
Until your battery needs to be replaced and it costs you $300 for a phone repair shop to.do what should be a 10 second job
My old Xiaomis never had that problem 🤷🏼♀️ guess I was lucky, hoping it'll continue like that 😁!
I heard iPhones are crap when it comes to battery life and batteries in general, but that's just what I have heard.
I was speaking to the fact that I cannot replace the battery after one year.
It's a Lithium Ion problem. There are a limited number of recharge cycles.
On average, after one year of charging every day, your smartphone battery will be at 80% its original capacity.
i don't mean this in a mean way, but I think you forgot how good replacing a battery was and got Stockholm syndromed into liking non replaceable batteries lol
I sure do remember and it was useful because the gps drained the 3000mAh battery like crazy, and using the phone even moderately needed battery nr 2.
Today I don't need to recharge my phone more than nightly, with the rare being sick and watching 12 hours of YouTube in a row, but then I can charge my phone from 10% to 90% in under 20 minutes sooooooo... WAY less important for me.
And you sure did mean it in a mean way, otherwise you'd just stuck with your opinion instead of trying some low level insult of my mental state.
I don't fully understand this "I won't buy a fairphone, because it doesn't have a audio jack" way of thinking. Are there any phones that actually has a jack and still gets updates?
I agree it would be a nice feature, but the few I have spoken to, whom actually complain about this, has ended up buying another phone that IMO is worse and also has no jack.
I'm just confused, not trying to be negative or mean towards anyone.
What you daily drive postmarket OS?
How is it for daily use?
Depends what you need on a daily basis. GPS does not work, even if it did, I have never gotten routing to work correctly in Pure maps. The photos are cropped-in, have a green tinge, and a faint blocky pattern mixed in, on the one back camera that works. You need to open an overlay that gives you a slider to control focus and exposure, since IIRC that stuff is not in the gnome camera app. The front camera is completely pink. No suspend, since the phone will not unsuspend for sms and phone calls. Firefox on a mobile screen is also pretty sketchy, especially when you start using add-ons.
However, for all those woes, there are some pretty cool advantages (phosh DE on oneplus 6):
Motorola has been keeping models with headphone jacks still in place. I don't know about all of their models, though, could just be on certain ones.
Was one of the things that pushed me to picking my current phone.
My Xperia has audio jack and SD card slot and still gets updates, and unlockable bootloader for when it doesn't anymore
Yes, Asus' flagship for sure as I've had them since most manufacturers removed it. I think there's a couple of others but I've been very happy with the two Asus phones I've used for about five years now.
I'm still using a galaxy S10 specifically because there aren't any phones on the market that have a headphone jack that I like.
It has 512gb storage, 6gb ram, removable sim and expandable storage. Just replaced the battery off ifixit. Only issue is no eSIM support for international travel but that's a small price to pay.
When I was shopping for a new phone I checked what models could run custom mods and had > 5 years of support. I came up with Fairphone and Pixel. Neither had jack, dual sim or SD card. Fairphone was about 2x more expensive. It was a simple choice. Now, if Fairphone would have a dual sim and a jack I would have probably paid extra.
Is dual sim a must or is esim an option? I use 2 sims, but it's 1 regular and 1 esim.
If esim isn't an option. I would like to learn why
In my previous job they gave a phone for on calls. My phone was dual SIM so I just plugged the work SIM into my phone and didn't have to carry both phones. Now when I see a dual SIM phone I think "this could come in handy one day" but it's not a must have for me.
My Fairphone 3 has a headphone jack and is running the most recent build of LineageOS, so yeah.
The Sony Xperia 1 VII(totally not a confusing Name) has a headphone jack and get 4years of updates and 6 of security. It is a very niche phone thought but still a flagships. It also has an SD card slot.
Point being there are phones and even high end phones out there that have these features, however it's rare which sucks
The phone I'm typing this on right now has an audio jack and still gets updates.
In a perfect world my phone would have the headphone jack but I'd mostly use Bluetooth headphones for exactly that reason.
The only thing that might convince me that phones are more perfect without it would be if it's hard to make it waterproof with a headphone jack. But they seem to deal with usb c holes and speaker holes fine though, so idk.
Writing this from one of the xiaomi redmi note pro. Up until the 11 pro, all of them had audio jack+microsd+sim slot. (Jack disappeared starting from the 14 pro series) Getting updates monthly from my custom ROM.
Fairphone with graphene os and headphone jack would be awesome.
I want a phone completely untouched by Google. No Google hardware, no upstream Google dependencies at all. Hardware that I control and a more “traditional” flavor of Linux with a mobile-native DE.
Maybe you will find this interesting: https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/
Btw, umidigis with the same CPU sell for ~145€ on AliExpress. This is just extreme.
I would love to have an immutable easy to upgrade system similar to unblue aurora or bluefin, but based on Postmarket os, but with extra security like SE Linux a proper firewalls flatpak support hardend_memory alloc etc. And also Good container support.
Aswell as a way droid version with a few features of graphene os like per App network toggle aswell as storage and contact scopes Sandboxed Google play etc.
And then with a mix between the Sony Xperia 1 VII and a fairphone 6. Such a phone would be awesome.
On a different note the progress the post market is team is making is really promising who knows maybe Linux on a phone will be daily drivable in a few years.
Also I like your drawings and art style/visualization.
It also needs to be upgradeable between generations like the framework laptops are. If it had that and a headphone jack I would buy one, but without those absolutely not. I'm not willing to pay anywhere near their prices for something I'm still going to have to replace in a few years, and after learning my lesson with my current OnePlus 9 I am absolutely never buying another phone without a headphone jack
Upgradability should be easy, just keep the connectors and positions the same between generations and there you go.
And for easy OS replacement, just make the SD slot bootable like on the pinephone and then you can boot and install things from there.
Easier said than done. Phones are tiny, so you can't really fit everything in a modular grid system since things need to overlap, stack, etc... And you can't just make everything the same size every year because things just physically take up different amounts of room as they change and there isn't any room to spare for future upgradability. Batteries grow/shrink, cameras get turned into sideways periscopic lenses, fingerprint sensors grow and get placed under screens, etc. You can't just tack on an sd card reader or ir blaster if there's no space for it. Not to mention cpus change and you can't just run everything over pcie and ribbon cables.
Realistically, what would even be upgradable in a phone that wouldn't require resizing or repositioning internal components?
Battery? We can already do that but manufacturers refuse to in favor of sub-par water resistance and planed obscelesce. Plus, battery tech doesn't advance quickly enough that you'd get a meaningful capacity boost in the same footprint.
Cpu or ram? Upgrades really won't make a meaningful difference until your entire phone is old enough that it makes more sense to buy a new one.
Camera? Maybe slightly more useful than upgrading cpu/ram, but cameras are expensive and heavily depend on economies of scale to be as good as they are without costing a fortune.
Also, it's really easy to break your phone when you open it up, so there'd need to be additional barriers and hardened connectors to make it user friendly, which again takes up precious space.
Just make the phone a brick, you say? That might work...
OS replacement, however, is easy. Just unlock the bootloader, no sd slot needed. Any phone could do it.
Didn't the fairphone 4 had a camera upgrade at some point?
I feel like most of these are at least misleading if not outright false (or maybe I'm misunderstanding them, so please correct me if I do).
Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I'm still using the same headphones that I've used for years.
I do this as well, but I would also like to charge the phone while I have my headphones connected to it, and all these additional adapter chains often don't work very reliable, and are much more cumbersome to deal with.
Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
Still, I prefer 2 physical slots. Some phones also have Dual SIM + eSIM, where 2 of them can be active at a time.
My current phone has Dual SIM + SD. I have all three populated, on of them with 9esim adapter. Removable eSIM. Easy to replace, and stores multiple profiles.
As for the second thing: https://www.androidheadlines.com/...
I currently have four eSIMs on my phone. I would love nothing more than to get rid of the last remaining physical SIM.
Ideally, also get rid of the whole slot to improve water resistance.
I would MUCH rather they focus on optimisation and power efficiency. My work iPhone can easily last two days on a single charge, three if I'm not really using it that much, all the while giving me all the processing power I'd need to run high-quality games on it. No Android phones comes anywhere near this and it grinds my gears.
All I'm saying is: different people, different needs.
I currently have 6 eSIMs, but on a removable eUICC. If the phone breaks, I can immediately put it into another phone and use it. Mine even has STK menu for switching and renaming profiles, so it also works in most dumb phones.
Plus all that is free. In my country, eSIM profile download codes are single use, and you pay for them. Swan is €8, O2 €10, Orange €10, only Telekom does it for free.
But yeah, in my case, that could easily mean having to pay upwards of €60 just to put the fucking SIM cards into another phone.
Oh, fun fact, I wanted to try one plan at Orange, but screw it. The physical SIM is free, including shipping to home, but for eSIM they wanted €10.25 (while the plan would be €20/mo), and I don't have empty slots for them.
Meh, average carrier shenanigans. Ereyesterday I wrote to my carrier about being unable to make phone calls, they replied me to call them to "continue the case" after unsuccessfully (who could have guessed) trying to call me. Bro...
At least somebody probably understood what just happened, so they emailed me.
Well, guess your last sentence works.
I currently have 6 eSIMs, but on a removable eUICC.
Are you able to have two of them enabled at the same time, or is there a limit to one, since it treats it like a SIM card?
Plus all that is free. In my country, eSIM profile download codes are single use, and you pay for them. Swan is €8, O2 €10 (...) The physical SIM is free, including shipping to home, but for eSIM they wanted €10.25
Wow, that's insane!
I wrote to my carrier about being unable to make phone calls, they replied me to call them to “continue the case” after unsuccessfully (who could have guessed) trying to call me. Bro…
Was that LycaMobile?
At least somebody probably understood what just happened, so they emailed me.
Ah, never mind, not Lyca after all. These fuckers close FOUR CASES that I raised after failing to contact me, when I was reporting not being able to take calls.
I currently have 6 eSIMs, but on a removable eUICC.
dual sim slot phones were very common in some markets where you needed to have multiple carriers. It's a lot less common now that eSIM exists, but before then it was a common thing for the EU version of a phone to have dual sim slots when the NA versions were only single sim.
ur right bout the first two... i updated the posts content becuz of it (som hours ago)
but the accessories - see - i like the idea, bzt sadly they opted for a screw-on desgin... which then made the phone have two black screws on the back, in places where ur fingers would be.... whivh spawns a big uncomfy feeling in me - so its mostly a personal thing-
but yes, ur points r very valid n i agree.
Possibly held a friend's phone.
This is going to get buried, but I’m so glad to see this discussion on our comm!! This is something I’ve tried to bring up among other communities I’m in and it never really gains traction. Almost 100 comments on this is awesome!! Luv y’all very much!
heyhi ~ ~ ~ <3
im also happy this kinda post ig getting traction... i guess i should stick with this much simpler type of post... normally i make them like - suuuuuper colorful which kinda makes them less approachblable.... meanwhile this one here looks almost... like advertising...
The design isn’t the reason I like it. I like it because of the issues it relates to and seeing people care about anti-corpo tech. If it was super colorful and chaotic I’d still love it! Keep posting however you want to post Smorty, we love having you 🫂
Maybe supporting more US-based carriers would hook me.
However, I applaud their efforts in addressing modern slavery and child slavery in their supply chains and manufacturing.
It is rampant, and buying many forms of technology are supporting those supply chains.
This post really resonates with me and I've already said my piece about jack removal and BT buds arriving at the same time by FP.
The realization I came to is that FP is not an enthusiast brand and doesn't want to be; it is not the Framework of phones.
They cater to the broadest market segment, they want to be the repairable Samsung, rather. And it shows.
Is there any brand that does want to be the Framework of phones?
Xiaomi and OnePlus used to be. Repairability, cheap(er), good specs, reliable. Now Xiaomis are stupidly unreliable and practically not bl-unlockable and OnePlus is starting to block bl unlocking in some regions, they don't allow avb-yellow and are expensive as shit. Nowy maybe nothing if we ignore the light bullshit.
They were able to capture various national markets by competing on being favorable to consumer wants, now that they have a strong foothold, or straight up control whole markets, they get to juice their profits.
Used to have a OnePlus Nord. Broke the screen 3 years after the phone released and there were no replacement parts anywhere, besides a single AliExpress seller. It didn't make things better that they released multiple versions of the same model, most, if not all, had incompatible screens.
The screen protectors for both Nord and 8T were out of stock less than a year after the phones were released, never to be seen again.
I've recently come across this: https://www.shift.eco/en/shiftphone-8/. Unfortunately also no headphone jack... But when my current phone breaks this might be the phone to get, for me at least.
Damn, the is so sick... except for the missing jack. What a bummer :(
Interesting. Any idea how compatible it would be with US mobile networks? I'm currently using Mint/T-Mobile (not Verizon, which is notoriously incompatible) but every time I've found an EU phone that looks appealing in the past compatibility was always a possible concern so I never got any.
I don't speak German and after some searching I am still not sure. Most of the results are full of speculative/preview type info and focused on performance.
If people, not only lemmy's people and a small minority care about the jack people would buy phones with jacks, there are good options but very few people do.
Most people actually like and prefere bluethooth.
Same for ROMs, when was the last time you said "wow, I sure miss custom roms" and the whole room went "meeetooo". Hell, most people don't even know what a custom rom is.
This is not what "the people want" is "what lemmy thinks everyone ones, but is actually only them circle jerking".
Downvote me to hell, but is the truth.
Headphone jacks are less important to me than other features but that doesn't mean I don't want one. I have to use a stupid USB to headphone adapter thingy to use my headphones and I cant charge it while I do, which yes, is a thing I wanted to do a few times.
I know a lot of people who don't, so? Anecdotal information.
Alright. I know no one outside of lemmy who cares about the jack, you do. Where does that leave us?
It says clearly down to the right "Focus on features people want".
So shift phones are not known here ?!? Shiftphone 8
That’s because building a waterproof phone which is easy to repair is hard to design with a headphone jack
I always say this when someone mentions fairphones:
Fairphone 6 does not keep up with standard Android privacy/security patches and has no secure element to provide working disk encryption for typical users not using a strong password, among other flaws.
Taken from the GOS forum
The idea is great, the execution is lacking basic needs in todays world. Missing pin code throttling is kind of insane tbh.
This is specifically about /e/os and not running on stock android though.
I couldn't find the part where it says that but that's what I thought. Pin code throttling is part of AOSP iirc, so they would have to go out of their way to remove it (or base their OS on an older LineageOS release like /e/os).
Edit: It's not. It's about the missing chip. Read the comment.
PIN code throttling can't be implemented properly if hardware doesn't support it. This is the very purpose of the secure element.
It has its own CPU, storage, random number generator and realtime clock. Once a secret (encryption key) is generated inside of it, it can't get unlocked until this very tiny chip allows it. And the chip uses different kind of protections (in case of weak pins — the most prominent one is throttling using its built-in RTC clock).
If there's no secure element, then attacker can just extract the memory chip and easily brute force the encrypted key on the much more powerful (and not throttled by RTC) hardware.
And since the PIN codes are so weak, even the strongest key derivation functions won't help against such bruteforce.
I would add proper Linux mainline support here.
That would allow other non-android options as well, and makes it be supported for the near future. And will likely have a network effect, allowing other phones with similar hardware to be supported as well.
Mainline Linux support is a chipset feature, the manufacturer has little control over it. And even then, you have manufacturers like Mediatek that theoretically have full mainline support, but the bootloader is totally locked and no custom ROMs exist.
Most mainlining effort is financed by the people that build products with it, not the chipset vendors. Chipset vendors are only interested in providing a working demo application, not much more. If someone promises 8 years maintenance, they could also in parallel work on mainline support, so that it can continue to be supported.
About locked bootloaders, sure you need to be able to unlock them as well, but that often also is a decision of the product manufacturers, not the chipset vendors.
If a manufacturer wants to lock the bootloader, they can, true. But sometimes, you have phones in the same family where the Qualcomm chipset supports unlocking and the Mediatek one doesn't. E.g. Xiaomi before they restricted unlocking further.
Don't mistake correleation and causation. I don't know the specifics, but bootloaders are software and socs are hardware. The bootloaders keys are fused into the hardware, so that only that bootloaders can boot. When you buy a soc, no keys are fused in, this happens at the manufacturer factory deployment process. The bootloaders can then decide if the device supports an 'unlocked' state, and displays the warnings if unlocked. The bootloaders are build and configured by the manufacturer. However, the soc vendors will give the product vendors a SDK containing tested sources and configuration for their soc.
Here is what could explain your observation, manufacturer is lazy and doesn't care to change the default configuration of the bootloader. And the default configuration of Mediatek and Qualcomm SDKs are different.
I straight up refuse to ever buy bt headphones. I never really had a desire to use them, and having them as the only option pisses off some deep part of my soul that hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don't listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker(in private of course). I honestly don't miss it, instead finding other ways to pass the time around other people.
hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don't listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker.
You do realize that playing music on anything but a tiny speaker requires more power than BT+headphones? Even playing it loud in the built-in speakers can be note wasteful than later versions of Bluetooth.
Bluetooth transmission power costs are insignificant. But you don't need to justify preferring the option to have regular wired earbuds on a phone.
well played
As a firm believer in wired headphones: you can buy an adapter to plug your 3.5mm in the USB-C. IMO it's not ideal, but they're small pieces and you can keep them connected to your headphones at all times, so you don't even have to think about bringing them with you.
Personally, I made a 3.5mm jack non-negotiable for my phone, which severely limited my options. Next time I'll probably have to get an adapter... :(
I’ve been forced to resort to them since it seems pin on my power port that handles audio signal has failed.
I hate playing stuff I’m listening to on speakers, even in private, I just always feel like someone else might be around, and I don’t want to annoy them, or even worse, have them judge me. It just makes me uncomfortable.
Almost all the smartphones around the world don't have a headphone jack, there are some exceptions to this rule but in general that's the "trend"
Oh, I see. Seems like a recent change, both my mom and my sis' phones all have jacks, but none of us ever cared on staying on top of things when it comes to electronics releases. I've done a brief search, and seems a few new models of Xiaomi still come with them, but I don't believe those are sold in the US.
It's recent on a relative scale but ancient news in the technology world. They've been disappearing since Apple started it in like 2016.
That would only be a real solution if manufacturers included two USB-C ports, and at that point just include a headphone jack so people aren't limited in which headphones they can use if they don't want to have to keep track of stupid little adapters that get lost.
Some of us are very happy with our current headphones and don't want new ones. Plus as others said the charging thing.
if you're talking about headphones that are only USB-C, that's a no-go. i plug my headphones into more than one device any given day. Switch can do USB-C audio, but anything retro can't and i spend a lot of time at the arcade.
if you're talking about adapters, before switching away from Apple i did use the official lightning-3.5mm adapter: it worked, but even those official adapters would become flaky after 6-7 weeks of daily use. couldn't walk and listen to music at the same time because the phone acted as if the headphones were being connected and disconnected every time i took a step. went through 3 of them before giving up and switching back to a phone with 3.5mm.
so, idk. 3.5mm just works. USB-C doesn't just work. music + messaging + reading are the primary things i use my phone for. an "upgrade" isn't an upgrade if it's worse at one of those things without being better at any of them.
i totally agree thad usb c is the future connector for most things, but currently every device besides phones offers a headphone jack... because most headphones bein produced rn use headphone jacks-.... yea-
so, if u use any device which is not a smartphone but wana use the headphones on it, those headphones better not be usb c...
not realize USB-C headphones exist?
I realize those exist enough to also realize I do not want the USB-C connector to get damage due to torsion and stress when having connected a thing for which a connector which naturally allows rotation is far more senseful.
If USB-C had been made round (so as to avoid the Schrödinger plugging issue common to all USB standards so far) this wouldn't be a problem.
I already have headphones I love with a 3.5mm jack. I hate having to use a fragile adapter to use them.
Sony's flagships still have one and apperantly a pretty good one. Although their newest phone costs 1500€ which is like nope not for me. It also supports SD card slot
Features ‘people’ want? Like being able to easily use the device, have a decent battery life, a good set of apps, built in security and not having to care AT ALL about most of things mentioned in that meme?
I don't get what's mentioned either. Fairphone literally partners with Murena /e/OS, other ROMs are also flashable on the device. What "people" want is to buy and be happy though, and their partnership does just that for at least the EU.
The only thing that's both a fair argument and something I commonly hear from average users is that a 3.5mm audio jack indeed would be nice. By now USB-C to 3.5mm cables with built-in DAC (which also work on any PC, very handy) are available for less than 10€ though, so it's absolutely more of a "nice to have" thing.
I like the idea of the fairphobe, but its too big and too expensive. I'm poor and have small pockets. There are no contemporary phones that work for me.
Same. I noticed the error, and thought it was far too funny to correct.
I completely disagree with you here, I don't see where you're coming from. Custom Roms are Posssible and you can buy it already degoogled so idk what you're talking about?! The switch is programmable? I Mike Accessoires I think they make it feel they give you cool choices, I want to fidget with them, it looks really nice to stim with. I'm nit sad about the headphone jack, I'm now used to bluetooth and it makes it cheaper to waterproff the phone.
Also it makes it stand out more as a phone which is not just eco-friendly but actually worth your money for features not many other/no other phone offers. Before it was hard to justify buying a worse phone, for more money. I also like how they apparently made a huge jump in power efficiency, before that was a huge dealbreaker for me.
Headphone jacks are awesome if you want to listen to music at high quality and don't want to put additional strain on the USB-C connector you're going to be using all the time for other purposes. Although if it was a modular add in part like framework that could be a cool compromise.
i agree thad the backcover thing is actually kinda cool - but they leave these dark screws on the back which... is a complete turniff for me..
i rlli like havin a headphone jack...... cuz i feel its jus useful.... for like.... headphones.... n stuff-
and yes, its tru thad the custom OS stuff alrdi works, i jus wanted to emphasize thad its important-
Fair if you have them lying around. I just always git the wires tangled up and desttoyed them in weeks or months at most. With bluetooth I don't forget to get away too far from my phone/pc and rip it half out and stuff... I think they made some pretty good improvements with this generation. I already saw a few people here in germany walking around with it. I think they're on a good track.
Opposite experience for me, wired headphones just work. Anywhere, anytime, any device, instantly, with zero maintenance. Bluetooth headphones can just run out of power, can't be used while charging, rely on the shaky Bluetooth standard, and are frustrating to hookup (especially when switching between devices).
I tried some bluetooth headphones, but I've ended up using far crappier USB-C headphones far more often. Still means I can't listen while the device is charging though. Maybe two USB-C ports on different sides would work. Then a phone could rest uprite while charging and rest in a dock!
Sometimes I think about the fairphone and similar projects that face some sort of conflict with their user base, and I believe this is the great trouble with creating stuff for non consumerist people. For example, I love the concept of the fairphone, but will I buy one? Well, maybe in a few years when my current phone stops working and has no means to be fixed anymore. Mine is a low end device from 2020 that I repaired a broken screen earlier this year. It's a bit slow, but I mostly run foss apps with very little requirements, so I don't really care. Since the introduction of GSIs, android version obsolescence isn't much of a problem for the tech-savvy anymore. I siply don't have any plans of replacing it.
If I had to buy another one, I'd probably look for a phone exactly like the described in the posted image, and I also have those conflicts with the latest fairphone model. In fact, I'd probably buy the previous models. I don't care for a version number of manufacturing date, or any other number, I just care for the actual use value to me. But for a company to stay afloat in our economy, they must release stuff often, or will be labeled as "lacking innovation", and if they don't follow the direction of other brands, the frequent buyers might leave them. And this is exactly the problem of such products, because their target audience aren't the frequent buyers! If they try to make the frequent buyers happy, they will make the target audience unhappy, and vice versa.
As a matter of fact, When my phone eventually needs to be replaced, there's a good chance that I won't even need to buy another, because some friend or relative might have an unused one lying around that they just stopped using because it's "old", and I will gladly give a second life to it. It's hard to compete with a sea of disposed stuff in good conditions.
Oh my god, Nokia. They don't have unlockable bootloader and bullshit about longevity. Great. And I liked the old symbian Nokias, but this is just stupid.
What I want from fairphone:
Accessory are optional Custom Roms are possible and already in the works (and /e/ already available.) that is more a community thing. Headphone jack is a feature that has a (i suspect) minority that tends to be real loud. I had my Fairphone 3 for almost 5 years and i am not sure if i ever used the headphone jack. Dual Sim is possible with E-Sim, plus SD card. Dual Sim with SD card takes a lot of space. Fairphone moments switch is already customizable to: DnD, flight mode, flashlight, dark-/ light mode, batery saving mode. Not sure what you mean by firm USB 3.0 is a sad decision which doesnt affect me personally but would have been great to have for DP alt mode. For moving files i use Quickshare cause it is much more convenient.
ESims (at least on GrapheneOs) require google play services
That's a pretty good reason, I wasn't aware. Although looking at the docs it appears you only need it to add the esim not to use the esim so you can install google play install the esim and then remove it again.
If it requires a connection to google play, then that rather defeats the purpose of completely removing google from a device.
I know this is a shitty ask (and impossible atm), but like a 1" periscope camera (or any decent zoom snapper) for me pls :(.
That and actual Linux.
Honestly, I still like what they do have. Not having to deal with a service center and being able to easily replace my own battery or charging port when something goes tits up.
But it does really sting that there just isn’t any phone that comes close to approaching what I want.
Honestly I don’t even really care about having a flagship level SOC. I don’t need a processor that can run more sophisticated programs. So long as it loads web pages and plays media, at most runs a doc like program, I’m quite happy.
But given that my main use case is media, I’d really like to have something where I can listen to stuff, not using speakers, not having to worry about the charge on a Bluetooth device, and be able to have my phone charging at the same time. Like, there are those splitter dongles but I’ve found them to be just such a head ache to use, inconsistent in their function, and so easy to lose or break.
Also the fact that FP are kind of hard to get where I live is annoying, but, that’s hardly the fault of FP.
I've thought about this sort of thing a bit with fairphone and framework, and decided that I don't really care about easy repairability for me. Sustainability and replacement parts still definitely matter, but I'm willing to put up with a harder repair if it saves me a few hundred dollars up front.
The only real reason I would get a fairphone or framework product would be to support the company and their ideals. Which is very valuable and could maybe even put pressure on the industry, I'm just not sure I'm willing to spend the extra few hundred dollars for that.
Then I have a Samsung phone to sell you. Where the OS updates frequently to cut your battery's lifespan in half, and a screen that looks beautiful but costs 300 dollars to replace, unless you want an aftermarket part with half the refresh rate and pixel quality off ebay.
You're not getting a repairable device for just yourself to repair. You'll also be making your life easier when you go to a repair shop and a technician like me has to look at the hoops to jump through to get it resolved (passing the costs onto you ofc).
Unless you have money to burn. Then buy a subscription repair service like AppleCare or Samsung+. At least those guys work on salary.
Yeah, I guess that there aren't all that many places that make hard to repair products but also sell affordable replacement parts.
I just want a home button :(
Settings -> System -> Gestures -> Navigation
I couldnt get used to gestures either. Much prefer actual buttons for that. Thankfully it's customisable.
but I want a phone with a real button you can press :<
My main issue with the Fairphone is price. Kinda expensive, innit? I mean, I don't know how much is too much when it comes to prices. When I got my current phone, company I was working at at the time gave me 200 monies discount on a phone at a select online platform / store. So mine, slightly above 200, came out almost free of charge on my end. And 200 was also the price my dad advised my sister looking into for a new phone. So when I decided "let me peek that Fairphone", it's like, damn. 500? 600? (I don't remember the price, but I think it was something like that).
Maybe it pays for itself in the long run, if it indeed lasts longer (assuming you don't upgrade needlessly)
Well, phones used to be max 300€ in 2017-18. Now they're min 300 to be actually usable in ~5 years. So the actual reason is as always capitalism (and slight inflation).
I would like a lower end option from them, but even that would probably be more expensive than normal because they’re not a huge company and aren’t squeezing margins on assembly and supply for ethical reasons.
500 for a phone you can use for 6-8 years is more than enough. Fairphone is going to fail because nobody is financially literate enough to realise how better off they'll be. Even more so when a screen breaks or the charging port stops working.
Ps been using resolable boots for years, I have the same chef knife for ten years, a cast iron pan for 15y. My motto is to always buy the product that is going to save me money in the long term, not until the next paycheck
Been using Fairphone 5 with /e/OS and I'm fully content with it. I'm sure your critique is fair, and they could do better on several fronts. Still I'm very happy to support this company, and I've not seen anything on the market that seems to do better overall than fairphone, according to what I value that is. It feels good to contribute to 'an alternative'. I can't help but see regular smartphones as a disease that try to colonize your brain and reduce you to a remote-controlled zombie. I don't feel that way with the Fairphone. I see most of it's limitations as a blessing in disguise. None of this is to refute anything you're saying, it's just trying to balance it out with some genuine love for Fairphone. :)
Yes
They don't support avb-yellow, but to be fair, almost nobody apart from Google does, OnePlus used to (until 8).
I will never buy another phone without wireless charging. Yes, I know it has significant downsides. I do not care, I am hard on my ports, wireless charging doesn't break. Given that qi2 is now available as a standard and blunts the severity of the downsides as well ... Realistically not buying another phone until I can get an unlocked bootloader qi2 phone with decent specs.
A ten minute cold shower vs a ten minute hot shower saves more energy than a month of wireless charging wastes. It is. Not. Significant. We're talking like 150WH a day wasted being the absolute upper reasonable limit. More likely especially with qi2 we're talking about maybe 30WH a day wasted. That's about 3/4 of a teaspoon of gasoline if you're curious. I don't own a car for the record though, I bike or ride transit everywhere. Also, I basically don't ever have to buy replacement charging cables. Somehow I'm not worrying about the energy lost to my wireless charger.
Let's do the math. Apple sells about about 200 million devices a year. Let's say they remove the charging port and completely rely on wireless charging, which isn't completely unrealistic. If we use your 30wh this would result in 6.96GWh or lost energy every single day. With 150wh it would be 34.8GWh.
If that's not significant for one dumb decision I don't know what is.
Okay, if we're going to do the math on typical consumer usage lets talk in less worse case scenario terms, an iphone 16 depending on the model has around a 15 Wh battery, a typical consumer uses lets say 80% of their battery life per day so we're looking at charging 12 Wh per day, QI2 reports as much as 93% charging efficiency, that seems optimistic though, let's say 80% average, and let's also generously say wired is 100% efficient (it's not but whatever). This makes the math easy, we're wasting 3 Wh per day to wireless charging vs wired. Across 200 million devices, all concurrently being actively daily used and wirelessly charged we're looking at 600MWhs. That's quite a bit, it's about enough to get a single Boeing 747 3/4ths of the way across the atlantic ocean. Or two private jets a round trip. There are about 1400 transatlantic flights per day on average. This would use about .0007% of the worlds electricity generation.
The back accessories are pretty neat. I like the finger loop, and I'm pretty sure they've published the files for making your own 3D printed versions of the backplate.
"But hotswappable battery"
Yeah, I guess missing that feature is bit unfortunate, but the reasoning of being able to offer more capacity in the (soft case?) design makes sense. The hardcase of the hotswap battery reduces internal capacity. And it's still easily replaceable enough when the time does come.
Custom ROMs I've already seen mentioned elsewhere, them offering to ship you e/OS/ directly from their store should be proof enough of their commitment.
The "moments" slider is (somewhat) programmable. As alternatives to Moments they offer DND, Flight Mode, Torch, Dark/Light mode, and battery saver.
It may not offer a dual SIM tray, but it does offer dual SIM through the use of eSIMs. Which, not ideal, but it's there.
The things I personally miss on the FP6 are HD haptics, the basic rumble motor has brought me back in time in a way I would not have preferred. Speaker quality could be better too. As could the cameras, but those were a sacrifice I was prepared to make.
My bigger complaints are about stock Android itself; Samsung offers so many nice tools to customise the phone to your liking. Base Android is so limited by comparison. And Samsung Gallery is just the best.
Audio quality and affordability. Dankpods (youtuber) does a good rundown on the wired vs. wireless debate for headphones, but the TL;DW is that wired headphones have no latency, don't need to be repaired as often (no batteries), generally speaking have higher quality (no need for Bluetooth processing to murder the audio, and no additional hardware needed besides the basics), and cost far less for the same performance, aside from studio-quality gear.
The main advantage of wireless headphones is portability and convenience, but you lose all of the advantages above, also paying more for replacements and potentially more often (if you lose them).
Granted, you can bypass a lot of the issues with a USB-C to AUX adapter, but that means you're relying on the phone handling the conversion well (not always guaranteed), and it's another point of faliure that can be broken (alongside putting extra strain on the USB-C port).
Plus, options aren't a bad thing, ya know? You can cover it up with a piece of putty if you hate having options that much.
If you happen to forget your headphones, you can borrow a cheap one from anyone, everyone has a few cheap ones at home they don't care about. If this is not possible, you can buy very cheap ones in almost any shop. This saved me a few times from boring hour long train rides. I have a Sony BTW, so I have a small phone, 4 days battery life, a headphone jack, a SD card slot, no screen camera notch and front facing speakers. Unfortunately no one wants those feature so Sony mobile is dying.
The 10 series is cheap, but extremely shitty in the spec department. Plus almost no custom ROM support, stupidly high resale value.
What phone do you have?
I've seen sony phones, but I don't trust sony either.
I like options. I love my portapros. But they gather dust on the shelf because I'm a perennial cord-tripper and I will gladly sacrifice a lot of stuff to avoid all the footguns that wired headphones give me.
I still use them with my Gameboy advance sp clone thing that plays emulators. They're really good for that.
They don't yell low battery in my ears. They don't fall out of ears and get lost (i have weird ear holes) I have really comfortable headphones that don't pinch my ears that I can wear for hours.
Most importantly they DO NOT YELL LOW BATTERY IN MY EARS when I have a comfortable volume set.
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The missing 3.5mm Headphone jack hurts so much :(
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