No, you don’t understand. Reddit was doing THEM a favor by letting them endure trolls and bots.
Millions of higher quality mods are just sitting there waiting for /u/spez to call them up for their chance to spend nights and weekends working for spez for free.
/s
Marketers.
There aren't. Subs were constantly understaffed of mods. While the power tripping mod is common enough to justify that the stereotype exists, most subs had to practically beg to people to get mods. Supermods were tolerated though they were more a nuisance than useful. Because often times they were the only ones open and willing to take the role.
There are power hungry mods, but to think that the population is all so power hungry that there are lines of people waiting to be mods is false. It's a thankless stressful position. It fucks with people's mental health and eats your time.
So looks like they're going through with it.
We're seeing which mods are just power hungry internet janitors with delusions of grandeur, and which were the ones that genuinely care about the communities they grew.
The latter are being removed. The former will replace them or never left in the first place.
Yeah, I'm extremely skeptical of anyone who now voluntarily steps up to be a mod on Reddit in the wake of everything that's happened.
You should be wary of people who want power that badly.
Honestly I'd be terrified to go long or short on Reddit stock. You never know what side wall street will take.
Time to end the protest and leave Reddit for Lemmy.
It was at first, but I legitimately like Lemmy more, reminds me of my usenet days. I would have come here years ago if I'd known about it.
I'm already deleting my posts and comments from Reddit. I'm keeping the account for some importantly saved stuff, but I have a feeling that I may need to save those offline too
Why is this more damaging for Reddit than removing the actual content that they can continue to monetize with?
I've seen some people using a script to edit their comments to state they're leaving Reddit for Lemmy. It's how I found out about this site, so I'd say you can use it to damage Reddit's bottom line by advertising alternatives.
People go to reddit for relevant discussions on topics they're interested in. If you make your comments irrelevant, you're doing your part in making the site less attractive to other users.
Deletes don't actually delete, it just sets a flag in the system to not show it so they can restore the comment (apparently this has already happened). Edits actually do overwrite the content of the post in the system and if you actually put readable but irrelevant content they also waste people's time when browsing the site so it makes it less usable (rather than a deleted comment which people will just skip over). Also, if you edit it to be gibberish it makes the data much less attractive to those training AI. Make them have to work to turn it into something monetizeable.
Aside from that... :)))
I also saved some engineering stuff and some game mod configurations
I’ve read that a deleted comment can be restored, but an edited comment deletes the original. So do both!
This tool does just that: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
Haven’t tried it yet, so proceed at your own pace.
Oh. This is actually much better, then. Imma start to do that. Thanks!
I just used it on my 13+ year account and it failed at first because it was letting it run in the background.
Once I started babysitting it I found that it would occasionally pop up a dialog box about and error deleting a comment. So I had to click "OK" (more than) a few times to keep it going. Once it did finish I was presented with a new page and a big blue button to save my exported history.
From the GitHub site I learned to right-click, Open in New Tab, to get a tab filled with .csv-formatted text. Saved that and we're done for today. (I'll run it a few more times just to be sure…)
Yeah this alone is what pulled me over here. Reddit is making some weird decisions and I can't in good faith support it.
Here's to new beginnings here!
On the flip side it will be interesting to see how long things can hold with so many communities becoming unmoderated.
Interesting idea. Hopefully the people that use those apps will enjoy the new way they're forced to show content. I think I'll just go other places nowadays tho (until I need to google some niche, specific question of course lol)
This. I keep seeing Reddit talk shit on the "2% of power users" like it's the 50% who doesn't make an account or 20% who exclusively lurk are going to make and moderate the content with that 2% gone.
He's working with Musk now, so really just expect another far right terrorism paradise because taking $5/mo to chase off the libs is easier than dealing with users asking them to make their shit work.
Do we really want a bunch of apathetic consumers anyway?
I view this as an 80/20 problem. 80% of users don't post content, 20% post AND care about the platform they post to.
The 20% are mostly here.
I say let them eat the advertisements and our memes a week or two after we post.
I was primarily a lurker on reddit, but cared very much about the community and have left because of it. I really should become more active here, to be a better part of the community.
Anyway, long story short, I'm sure there are lurkers that care and will be/have already migrated.
Can confirm, I'm a lurker who cares and has migrated here.
Well, I was more of a lurker the last few years because reddit was slowly sliding into Facebook territory and it annoyed me but I couldn't stop scrolling anyway. Spez's actions were the push I needed to delete my almost 10 year old account the first day of the protest and every day since just reinforces how good of a decision that was.
Now to remember how to interact instead of just scroll...
Right, once you start lurking it's a hard habit to break isn't it? I thought reddit was worse but still wanted something to scroll in lines or for niche content. Now I have Lemmy!
YES YOU DO
Are you serious? You want all the users you can get who will vote and/or comment. That's what makes content successful, engagement, in one form or another. This isn't your own private club, if we want this thing to become successful we want as many reddit refugees as we can get.
While having more users to engage with- even if it's just for views and upvotes- is a good thing, I don't think that the "apathetic users" should be the priority or are as important as the active content creators.
Those that don't care about Reddit's practices will continue to stick with them, rather than jump ship to a platform that doesn't have as much content. For most of us already here, we don't mind having less content, if it means being able to improve in other areas like thoughtful discussion and escaping the Reddit overhead. For those that don't care about either, they're not going to be convinced unless there's the promise of a more enjoyable, casual experience.
There really is only two options then. Either make those people care, or create better content than Reddit to reel them in. The first has already been tried, since the blackout and the infographics spread as much awareness as possible throughout the Reddit community as a whole. For those that are still on Reddit, the only option left is the second one. There's content there that they want that they'll lose by switching to another platform, or they're too accustomed to Reddit to want to make the switch.
This is where the 80/20 comes in, as YeetPics mentioned. The 20% provide the exact thing the 80% are after. If most of the 20% come here, then many in the 80% will follow. So by prioritizing bringing over the people who care about their platform and make content, you'll by extension win over the more apathetic users anyways.
My thinking is if you are looking for profitability through eyes on content (ads), then yes. However, I feel content creators are probably higher quality lurkers and I trust their upvotes and downvotes more.
You're right, this isn't a private club it's an open community. I'm not so sure simply having more upvotes makes content successful. I don't see the correlation between popularity and quality of content. If our content is good, we'll attract the right community.
I'm doing my part!
There is absolutely nothing wrong with lurking.
My point is that lurkers don't create content. The content is what makes reddit want an IPO, and why they're fucking with API pricing.
Edit: forgot a letter
Reddit had gone too far this time. People are leaving the site like Digg.
Honestly I think it might just happen. A lot of dedicated users will follow their communities over once they are banned/mods removed, and once that begins traction will take over. I think the great Reddit migration is here! Well I'm hoping anyways lol.
There really needs to be a way to advertise options like Lemmy to people that are still on the site. Many may not know what other options they have.
Honestly you night be on to something
Really not a bad idea. Lemmy needs revenue in some degree and most can ignore the rewards/cosmetic store if they don't like it. That and it boosts engagement from the users too.
Why would we subsidize this small group? Why would we effectively pay them to use Reddit but not everybody else who also contributes to Reddit?”
Wait? Is he talking about mods here? What an absolutely brain dead, mask-off take. Any mod that doesn't see this statement as a slap in the face is either too bought in to think objectively, or simply likes being taken advantage of. Wow.
Not about the mods. Still dumb af.
Ah. That makes slightly more sense, but still dumb af to say the 3PAs are just "using Reddit". They've done a far better job for decades now at enabling access to Reddit than their own devs have. I'd say Reddit should look at hiring them, but with how they handled Alien Blue, the devs are probably better off on their own.
Reddit likes to make promises in a crisis that they never follow through on. They're gonna fix the apps this time, last time it was mod tools.
Honestly, good. I was the sole active mod of a few 500k-1m subs and I've abandoned reddit. I set them to private but ultimately decided to just say fuck it and I haven't been back. I had a 13 or so year old account and was extremely active but now I'm done. I assume I've been demodded and the subs reopened but don't care.
So let them continue to demod and ban the volunteers that give their time to help make this asshole rich. I hope every decent mod leaves that shit hole and they can fill the mod roles up with people that don't care or will maliciously let the subs get overrun.
If any of the mods who went down fighting had verified money apps (venmo, paypal, etc), I'd love to buy them a drink by sending them some cash.
Going from caging the golden goose to shooting it outright
Sounds about right for that dipshit ceo
This is the antagonistic corporate environment that these people and their emotional intelligence of a spoiled 8-year old have sown and nurtured (with a lot of neglect).
I know I’m basically done with Reddit. Just waiting for July 1st to make it official. The biggest thing I was missing from Reddit was r/worldnews. Everything else was basically just a time waster. The fact Lemmy has worldnews is all I need to not have to go back.
Begun the reddit war has.
Escalated to total war, the Reddit war has
I wonder if there would be any value to go and start a bunch of new subs on reddit, with a very specific set of guidelines. Essentially an army of bots could populate these and it would serve as pure noise. A sort of DDOS if you will. I don't think this could affect big subs, but it would drown out any smaller subs. Anyways, it's just a thought.
Keep us updated, would be really interesting. But if they do restore a backup then they could also just pick a backup before the blackout. But I can't really understand why they would do this for comments. Sounds like a huge job. Do they know who deletes the comment, do they have list of usesers who they want to restore? I would never want to do that kind of job for any of my clients 😂 it would be fun if they restored everything to the day before the blackout. Then it would be like all these days never happened and even post and comments from ppl who do not care about the api change will be gone.
Usually are deletes not true deletes they are just set as deleted, often with a date or a boolean/bit in the database. I have never been to a company where true delete is the default. They are usually manually or scheduled. Just like non IT companies like banks store your info for many years. Even after you are not a customer because of the law.
So it is better to over write it. Often is that only backed up. Some have systems where nothing is truly overwritten because they need to see all changes like version handled web pages like Wikipedia but I would say most overwrite. It can be more complex than what is worth (to keep all the history).
In this case, I think some merry prankster should just scrape a sub in its entirety and reconstitute it on their own Lemmy instance as a shot across the bow.
...And then open source their code.
Ever thus to tyrants.
@Zuberi
wow I'm glad I never really used Reddit this is garbage
thanks for using Leebra!
go to feed...
IPO imminent, let’s fire all the free volunteers and replace them with like wat? employees?
save