"By eliminating private cars and switching to public transportation, the mortality rate due to vehicular accidents has reduced significantly while making the city more efficient and pedestrian friendly. A major ethical delima has been all but solved by doing so."
SomeAmateur 2 points 3 years ago
I'm enjoying the ride so far
MystikIncarnate 14 points 3 years ago
This is the problem I have with the trolly problem. This website right here.
EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE gets hung up on whether you should pull the lever or not. That's not the point of the trolly problem AT ALL.
The point is to consider whether you pull the lever or not, are you responsible for the outcome. It's a question of ethics. You didn't put anyone in this situation, but you have the ability to do something. If you do nothing, are you responsible for the deaths of the four/five/whatever people? If you act and do something, and only one person dies, are you responsible for that persons death, now that you've been an active participant in choosing one over the other?
For anyone still confused how that's not "do you kill one or four people" - think about this very similar, but differently portrayed problem that has the same moral dilemma: You're walking down the street, and you see a homeless person, they're begging for food, you have half of your footlong subway sandwich left over from lunch; but when you pass by, instead of giving them the sandwich, you continue walking, keeping your sandwich for later. That person, unbeknownst to you, later dies of starvation. Are you responsible for their death?
THATS THE QUESTION. not whether you'd pull the lever or not, not whether you would give someone the leftovers from lunch.... the question is literally, ARE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING SOMEONE, either by action or inaction. I don't think that anyone would disagree that killing 1 person vs killing 4/5/whatever people is a "better" choice (not a good choice, just one that's less bad). Thus that's NOT the question. The question is, since you didn't CREATE the situation that these people are in, by doing nothing, when you could have done something, are you responsible, and conversely, by doing something, when you could have done nothing, that leads to someone's demise, are you responsible then?
Jesus.
samus12345 9 points 3 years ago
"Well, obviously, the dilemma is clear. How do you kill all six people?"
SomeAmateur 3 points 3 years ago
No witnesses, no repercussions right?
MystikIncarnate 11 points 3 years ago
Me no word good.
sangriaferret 4 points 3 years ago
That whole site was a lot of fun.
samus12345 3 points 3 years ago
The most horrifying one to me was the number of people who chose to keep their life savings rather than save 4 people.
sangriaferret 1 point 3 years ago
I'm not justifying it but if they have a spouse and a few kids they might consider their long term survival over the immediate survival of strangers.
samus12345 2 points 3 years ago
Money can be replaced, lives cannot. If you wanna be more self-serving, those 4 people would probably be very grateful for what you did and help you get back on your feet.
Agamemnon 11 points 3 years ago
Canonically, the reader/audience stand-in is Mr. Leverpuller. Am I to assume that he's riding in the tram? To where then? Without a lever for pulling he's now unemployed. He has lost his purpose in life. What's the use of safety, when the destination no longer matters?
Agamemnon 4 points 3 years ago
Ah... but what when he actually liked the job he was doing? Presenting binary choices with leverthrowing might sound like a strange hobby to have, but I don't judge. Unfortunately, the discarded levers from the scrapyard don't really scratch that itch the same way... they must be connected to something consequential. But without switches to switch Mr. Leverpuller had to get creative: Thus the trolley problem variant with the fat man on a bridge became one of his more infamous later works.
nieceandtows 1 point 3 years ago
He has now been able to transfer his lever pulling expertise into operating guillotines for the Uber rich.
ladicius 4 points 3 years ago
He is very content with his life now that he doesn't have to decide dozen, often hundreds of times per day about the fate of bundles of unknown (?) human beings. The grip on the lever always felt like the cold fingers of the hangman forced to kill anybody anytime by unscrupulous entities who never considered his feelings, his wishes, his life.
He is free now from all of this, the man who had seen everything.
yA3xAKQMbq 2 points 3 years ago
The journey is the destination, and what is a better journey than idly sitting on a tram with no appointments in sight?
shotgun_crab 9 points 3 years ago
Huh, an antimeme in the wild
SomeAmateur 4 points 3 years ago
Hell it's my dream.
That gets me thinking. Isn't it wild how growing up we want to drive ourselves around instead of being passengers? Then if we make enough money we tend to go full circle and want to be drove/flown everywhere by others (or spend the money on something self driving). I suppose the difference is you're still being taken where you want to go.
CoolBeance 5 points 3 years ago
What's the answer to The Trolley Problem you say? No. The answer is no.
GreenMario 3 points 3 years ago
Why did my anxiety levels rise then?
WtfEvenIsExistence 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 2746144, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
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