Simplicity and convenience

3 years ago by okda to c/linuxmemes

My fave.

GameWiz 44 points 3 years ago

I like Linux, I hate the app names. It's confusing as hell, especially if you are looking for some app that functions the way you imagine, then they name something weird like Nautilus instead of file explorer lmao.

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Evono 19 points 3 years ago

For some reason people get all ways extra fabulous when they make open source Software and need a fancy name instead of a great descriptive one...

Or they could name it atleast nautilus the file explorer or something.

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Ferk 6 points 3 years ago

It's actually called "GNOME Files" nowadays. And it's had the moniker "File Manager" for ages in the desktop entries for most distros, even if the official name was "Nautilus".

I actually feel the other way around... if they had just called it "File Explorer" it'd come off as if they are getting "extra fabulous", because it implies the other file explorers are not really THE "File Explorer".

Imagine if when Google launched Chrome they had decided to name it "Web Browser" instead of "Google Chrome".

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lemme_at_it 2 points 3 years ago
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Dick_Justice 3 points 3 years ago

lol, thaat is so true. It's never just "File Explorer", is it?

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mexicancartel 1 point 3 years ago

But there are many file explorers availiable so if you install multiple then it will be a bunch of file explorers. Well pre installed one can be shown with the name "Files" like gnome does

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TheFrirish 1 point 3 years ago

yeah I know it's not the worst but organicmaps.org is the first that comes to my mind. I thought it was to find some organic veggies or whatever no mo it's an actual fork of maps.me that's basically better than it because it has no ads and no trackers and the same functionalities.

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MrGeekman 16 points 3 years ago

It doesn’t exactly help that there’s like 5-10 of each kind of thing.

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njordomir 8 points 3 years ago

For me personally, having 5-10 of everything is good. I find what I like the best and you find what you like best. It can make extra work, but if you subtract out all the time I'd spend fighting the windows UI or looking at ads and "recommended content", I think we may actually come out on the better end of things.

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MrGeekman 2 points 3 years ago

While it can be great for an end-user, it's a nightmare of tech support. It's just another reason why Linux will never be commonly used on PCs. It also leads to some applications missing critical features because there are three other programs like it, vying for the attention of programmers. For example, there are three applications for making it easier to run Windows applications on Linux - Lutris, PlayonLinux, and Bottles. Personally, I prefer Lutris, but it isn't always great about automatically installing dependencies, though it probably doesn't help that there are like a hundred Linux distributions.

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norapink 1 point 3 years ago

I disagree that its a reason why linux will never be used commonly. Windows and macos both have the same issue and its never made things over complicated.

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CheshireSnake 4 points 3 years ago

I still remember thinking, "wtf is a nano and why should i sudo it?"

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GameWiz 2 points 3 years ago

I was a linux noob back in the day and was looking for a video converter or something but then the app is called handbrake lmao.

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njordomir 3 points 3 years ago

I believe both Xfce and Cinnamon have a setting for generic app names: i.e. "Firefox" becomes "Web Browser" & "Nautilus" becomes "File Manager". I always thought this feature was great.

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ReCursing 3 points 3 years ago

The KDE menu shows the package manager's description of each app below the name. I think you can swap it so the description is the highlighted name and the actual app name is smaller below it

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janus2 2 points 3 years ago

[side-eyes PCManFM]

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ChildEater 1 point 3 years ago

I set up an alias for nautilus that's just "explore" and 10/10 very useful.

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atretador 32 points 3 years ago

Don't worry guys, I know how to fix this. I'll just create another package manager!! That should do it

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dontcarebear 31 points 3 years ago
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Nomecks 2 points 3 years ago

Never heard of chocolatey eh?

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synapse1278 15 points 3 years ago

Chocolatey is ... meh. Better than nothing I guess. Now WinGet is an official MS tool, not to bad, but not much in the repo either.

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Eavolution 12 points 3 years ago

I use chocolatey on Windows when I'm on windows, the slight issue is a lot of stuff just isn't on it. That's rare for me on my main OS where everything is on pacman or the AUR.

Oh I use arch btw.

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Chais 28 points 3 years ago

I love simplicity and convenience. I just don't like giving up control.

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Marduk73 28 points 3 years ago

No lie, it's got to the point that it's more convenient to use Linux. Windows has become very intrusive with trying to help, privacy issue landmines you have to navigate, it's not unpleasant to use Windows. It's just more work to do it.

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HERRAX 8 points 3 years ago

The windows 11 settings menus are complete abominations, and the search function is about as much help as just screaming what you're looking for at the screen.

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tdawg 1 point 3 years ago

I think the big difference is that linux actually has tools and communities to help you fix your problem. It's just that linux's tools (and their communities) aren't always the most friendly

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regeya 27 points 3 years ago

The person who made this has never had to deal with Windows driver issues obviously

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FishInABarrel 15 points 3 years ago

This feels like a comment from 1997. Aside from occasionally updating video drivers for a new video game, I can't remember the last time I had to maintain--much less fix--a driver.

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janus2 4 points 3 years ago

three words

specialized proprietary hardware

:'|

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regeya 3 points 3 years ago

Oh! Apparently I'm in 1997, then. Remarkable that they have Windows 11, then. I have a machine where the Microsoft provided drivers cause screen blanking when hardware accelerated video plays. Installing the AMD drivers fixes that, but I've yet to figure out what the magic sauce is to prevent Windows Update from overwriting part of the drivers that Adrenalin installs. One boot after installing and the machine works great, then the next boot it'll just be a black screen of death. At least AMD's installer helpfully makes a restore point.

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Tom_Dude 2 points 3 years ago

Sounds like my experience with Manjaro lol

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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago
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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago
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CookieJarObserver 1 point 3 years ago
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trent 1 point 3 years ago

To anyone that isn't blessed with open-source hardware, or proprietary hardware created in the past 5 years, it's a nightmare

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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago
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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago

I second this. I’ve really only had to modify one driver in the seven years that I’ve been using Linux.

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gizmonicus 1 point 3 years ago

Looks like your multiple comments on the same thread driver needs an update.

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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks! I fixed it! Those duplicate comments were caused by a bug in the Lemmy app that I've been beta-testing.

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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago
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gizmonicus 2 points 3 years ago

My fav is when shit doesn't work and Windows is like "would you like me to help you?". Sure, go ahead, I've got nothing better to do. Maybe I'll buy a lottery ticket. Chances are better I'll win the jackpot.

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TONKAHANAH 25 points 3 years ago

Thing is, I use Linux cuz it allows to have simplicity and convenience where those things are of value to me.

Not having an online always connected local user account is simplicity to me.

Having file permissions changeable with a simple command rather than having to fuck about a ui and registry is simplicity to me.

Having an os that's under my control is convenient for me.

Having a user interface that suits my wants/needs and has ample options for customization is convenient for me.

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Zaros 17 points 3 years ago

Things that are simple are often not simple to use. Things that are simple to use are often complex. Although, hammers also exist so it's not exactly an universal rule...

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Ferk 6 points 3 years ago

This. Even the command-line is extremely simple and convenient once you are familiar with it.

It's so much more complex and frustrating to try and come up with words to explain to someone the steps to do anything on a Windows GUI... browsing through menus clicking this thing here, right-clicking here that, going through tabs, dragging this to there... go to "this" -> "that" -> "whatever"... and then to only realize you misremembered the exact location and have to look it up to make sure.

Or maybe they changed the location slightly in the last Windows update because "reasons". More than once I've been searching how to do something on Windows 10 and found outdated instructions with setting panels that don't exist anymore.

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ReCursing 5 points 3 years ago

And hammers are also the best tool to deal with a Windows machine!

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okda 15 points 3 years ago

As a disclaimer, I didn't make this myself, and I lovingly use Linux for all my computing needs.

But when I selfhost nextcloud to avoid google, or use proton, I am aware that I don't allways choose the easy way.

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Undearius 10 points 3 years ago

I am aware that I don’t allways choose the easy way.

We don't do it because it's easy, we do it because we thought it would be easy.

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beerEnjoyer 1 point 3 years ago

I feel personally attacked.

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Johanno 12 points 3 years ago

I love simplicity. This is why I use Linux. Its just simpler to get simple Software that does just one thing and that good.

And I love tinkering with my os.

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Reygle 11 points 3 years ago

Apparently Windows users just want something that never works, is unsupportable, and required re-installation 3 times a year.

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JerkyIsSuperior 10 points 3 years ago

I've used Linux as my main desktop OS since 2008, and the only times I had problems were when hardware manufacturers supplied device drivers as binary Windows blobs and I had to kludge up a workaround. In all other instances, it was smooth sailing. If I don't like the desktop look, I can change it, if a file manager bothers me, that too can be changed, if I have older hardware, I can find a lightweight distro and avoid spending money and creating unnecessary e-waste.

With proprieatry operating systems, you do not own your machine. You paid for it, but you do not own it. Don't like the browser that came with the OS? Fuck you, we're gonna shove it down your throat. Don't want ads in the taskbar? Lmao get rek'd peasant! Want to search files locally without triggering our third-rate search engine? Bing bong, choke on our ding-dong! To be frank, even if Linux was less user friendly (and Windows is downright user hostile) I'd still use it, because I'd rather learn a thing or two about computers than be treated as a shearing sheep.

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CIWS-30 9 points 3 years ago

I upvoted this meme, but to be fair, I often feel like it's more certain Linux developers that don't like (or understand) simplicity and convenience rather than the users. Users that migrate to more simple distros like Mint, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. generally get to have a pretty simple experience.

I was on Linux Mint with Cinnamon for almost a year at one point because I was tired of Windows giving me problems, and was able to handle it because I wasn't really playing games during that time. Only had to leave because I got sick of trying to get my games to work through WINE because back then, it was actually difficult and not like nowadays with Proton and Steam Deck. I still got World of Warcraft working though, oddly enough.

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jelloeater85 5 points 3 years ago

Proton is magic. Finally don't need Windows to game on.

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Ixoid 8 points 3 years ago

Meme creator has obviously never used Linux Mint.

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CookieJarObserver 8 points 3 years ago
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maynarkh 7 points 3 years ago

I mean that's just not true.

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limelight79 6 points 3 years ago

Lol. I started with Slackware and used it for many years, but I got tired of dealing with dependency hell.

I switched my desktop and laptops to Kubuntu, but ran Slackware on the server for a few more years. I switched my server to Debian maybe 5 years ago, and I'm glad I did.

Sorry, Patrick, but I just didn't have the time to handle it any more.

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rkk 5 points 3 years ago

I disagre. But don't want to downvote.

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beerEnjoyer -2 points 3 years ago

I disagree, and I will downvote.

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jeansibelius 2 points 3 years ago

This meme was made by not a real Linux user actually.

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beerEnjoyer 1 point 3 years ago

I moved away from w10 to Ubuntu back when it still used Unity as it's DE. I found it delightfully simple to use and I loved that it was so different from windows, because I hated my experience with w10. It was clunky, unpolished and just a shitty experience in general. The only thing that I found difficult was when I tried to install VERY niche software by compiling it from the source code. The rest of it just worked out of the box. I didn't even have to use the terminal to install programs, I just used the GUI installer that came preinstalled.

Now, I use debian. And that's a different story. I still don't have wifi or Bluetooth.

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ReCursing 0 points 3 years ago

Nowadays, knowing nothing of how windows works any more, I am always frustrated if I have to try to use it

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nottheengineer -1 points 3 years ago

Once you set things up properly, linux is incredibly convenient. Installing something literally takes 5 seconds. Updating everything is a single command instead of manually checking the websites for every piece of software.

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