I am subject to intrusive monitoring by the government because I posted on an incel honeypot forum

3 years ago by MrHand to c/privacy

You may have heard of the "Countering Violent Extremism" program under DHS.

They've deployed the tactics used to fight terrorists against domestic citizens. For example, incels. When I posted on the web forum incels dot is, I didn't know it was Department of Homeland Security operation against men who say they are romantically deprived. I didn't know I was interacting with larping feds who encourage extremist rhetoric. Consequently I was put on a watchlist and am subject to intrusive monitoring.

I share a lot of my experience here.

https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel

My question is, my computer is hacked by them and they are privy to my computer activity -- as in, right now, they're seeing me type this post. How can I get these rats out of my computer? I just run Windows 11.

TootSweet 63 points 3 years ago

Assuming everything you're saying is true, the reason the honeypot existed in the first place is because incel communities often tend to spawn domestic terrorists.

If you're looking for any kind of sympathy, even if only enough to get folks to give you useful advice, "I'm an incel and my incel activities got me on a government watchlist" is about as likely to get you sympathy as "I'm a nazi and my nazi activities got me on a government watchlist."

My recommendation: get therapy.

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MrHand -49 points 3 years ago

This is really strange. The Nazis did unspeakable crimes against humanity. In the nearly 20 year existence of the manosphere -- almost the entirety of which arose (I claim) as a result of emergent polygyny -- there have been just a handful of manosphere related shootings. So your analogy doesn't fly and is laughable. Of course, maybe you see incels as Nazis, but then that would just speak to your own hysterical prejudice and distaste, not reality. You vindicate the "precrime" civil liberties violating program that goes by the name of "Countering Violent Extremism" which entirely goes after people for their 1st amendment protected speech. You're more destructive than any incel will ever be.

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TootSweet 60 points 3 years ago

I say again: get therapy.

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Aatube 7 points 3 years ago

Nazism is also an ideology. If you subscribe to Nazism and agree with what Nazis did you're a Nazi. That doesn't mean you have to do anything.

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MrHand -3 points 3 years ago

GloboHomo is an ideology. If you subscribe to GloboHomo and agree with what GlobloHomo types do, then you're a GloboHomo type. That doesn't mean you have to do anything.

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EnderofGames 5 points 3 years ago

...are you accusing "GloboHomos" of committing atrocities, or just typing to see yourself type?

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olorin99 4 points 3 years ago

Shooting someone is not the only harm that can happen. There are countless assaults (domestic, sexual, verbal, etc) every year that occur due to extremism such as being an "incel". Also you sound paranoid and have offered no evidence what you say is true. If you really are being spied on by the government the only way to stop that is to destroy your electronic devices (drill holes in the harddrives), move as far as you can (preferably russia or china), and never post publicly on the internet again.

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CapnJimby 34 points 3 years ago

I appreciate that you feel you're being oppressed wrongly because you're sad that you can't get a girl, but perhaps going to hang out with people who tend to be extremists, adopting their beliefs, and then complaining that the government watches people who do this... Like everyone else is saying, you need therapy my dude. Where you are right now is not a safe state of mind.

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MrHand -5 points 3 years ago

No, I don't feel "sad because I can't get a girl." I'm pissed off because I'm subject to intrusive monitoring by feds as part of the Countering Violent Extremism program which violates civil liberties of individuals who are deemed a threat based on 1st amendment protected statements they make. I will accept this abuse so along as the same treatment is vetted to globohomo types. Why isn't this the case?

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MrHand -14 points 3 years ago

Therapy is just the codification of the female point of view. It's just more gynocentricism.

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mrnotoriousman 6 points 3 years ago

I can certainly assure you you will never get into a relationship with someone if you think women exist to please you and act like they're from another planet. Go outside, talk to people, get some non-extremism hobbies, and get some therapy. Most women are just normal people, not whatever your incel bubble thinks.

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venoft 4 points 3 years ago

Do you have a brain? A mental state? Emotions? Then therapy is made for you. You do realise therapy was practised by exclusively men until like the 1960s right?

Thinking things like this is a unhealthy way of viewing the world. Women don't not want you because you're ugly or poor, but because you're an asshole. Can't blame them, honestly. So, you know, maybe work on that.

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MrHand -3 points 3 years ago

It's not a mode of thinking. It's observation. That it's being politically repressed is outrageous. It's not lack of therapy that produced incels but emergent polygyny. That I may or may not need therapy is apart from the political repression of incelism.

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Primarily0617 4 points 3 years ago

In what way?
What is your first-hand experience with therapy?

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andscape 31 points 3 years ago

God I hope this is a bit

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bloopernova 3 points 3 years ago

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MrHand -10 points 3 years ago

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Nah bro, that's just what feds put out there to deflect attention from themselves and the claims of people whose civil liberties they violate. After all, which faction in society has the most capability to engage in "gang-stalking"? Feds. So the claim that it's "gang-stalking" is kind of true. Yes, gang-stalking by feds.

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MrHand -29 points 3 years ago

I swear by all that is good and true it ain't. See my twitter where I chronicle my experience of having fallen under DHS's "countering violent extremism" program -- literally just precrime. Outrageous violations of civil liberties. All the stops are being pulled against incels.

https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel

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polskilumalo 10 points 3 years ago

All the stops are being pulled against incels.

good

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MrHand -2 points 3 years ago

okay but just wait till you see where this leads. it vindicates government power being used against globohomo types. you started this

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polskilumalo 4 points 3 years ago

globohomo types

sussy

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MrHand -3 points 3 years ago

I will likewise say "good" when the same tools are deployed against GloboHomo types.

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applejacks 31 points 3 years ago

take your meds

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MrHand 0 points 3 years ago

Speaking of that:

https://twitter.com/...

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applejacks 4 points 3 years ago

bro for real, pls seek help.

you're thinking you're being gangstalked.

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Zoot 23 points 3 years ago

Anything you post on the internet you should treat as public and permanent. Before you post, ask yourself “could this come back to bite me?” If the answer is yes, It’s probably not wise to post it to a public forum. I do believe that organizations, businesses, and various aspects of the government monitor online activity. You would be wise to limit what ”wrong-think” you decide to post.

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MrHand -37 points 3 years ago

I didn't post under my real name. I thought it was a free country. I thought if the country was so free as to allow emergent polygyny, then it would just as free to allow critique of that development. I guess I was wrong and the current so called "globohomo" regime is using brute power to repress dissidents.

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deegeese 27 points 3 years ago

So you are an incel?

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MrHand -29 points 3 years ago

Yes, I am a romantically and sexually deprived hetero adult male who happens to coincidentally see the problem of emergent polygyny.

https://twitter.com/...

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Montagge 22 points 3 years ago

You need therapy, my man

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Aatube 8 points 3 years ago

Kbin and Lemmy are two of the most liberal hosting software. It's slightly literal in this specific instance which is literally Lemmy.Marxist-Leninist. While implementations of that ideology often aren't liberal the ideology itself is. Post such stuff on 𝕏 if you want people who might actually "help" you.
Pologyny is a crime in the US. Just that a man is really attractive doesn't mean they engage in such activity. Such men also have personality characteristics that prevent them from doing "serial monogamy". In the case of Johnny Carson, having 4 wives over 56 years isn't "serial monogamy" either.
You don't need to have sex to have children. You can always adopt.

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Vendetta9076 20 points 3 years ago

Buy a burner phone/data plan in cash. Learn a linx distro like mint. Junk your current devices and learn about TOR. Buy a pc in cash. Use something like tailsOS when browsing.

With that all being said, you're being blackpilled. You need to seek help. Incel ideology is a form of extremism just like auth communism or nazism. Its dangerous for you and those around you. I implore you to find better role models in your life. There are healthy spaces online for men like yourself who feel wronged. There are healthy spaces local to you. The world is not made up of chads and stacies and roasties. Thats 4chan nonsense that seeks to blackpill and harm impressionable young men like you and I.

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ivanafterall 15 points 3 years ago

You feel that fire deep in your belly? That unique rage that convinces you that not only are you correct about this, but that it is a uniquely important issue and nobody can tell you otherwise? THAT VERY FEELING SHOULD BE YOUR RED FLAG TO RE-EXAMINE WHAT YOU'RE WRITING, BOTH HERE AND ANY OTHER TIME YOU FEEL IT.

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MrHand 0 points 3 years ago

Of course the "issue" is "important" to me. "Countering Violent Extremism" is "precrime" and violates civil liberties. I've been subject to intrusive monitoring -- an open air prison. So yes, it bothers me because I haven't done anything wrong beyond speaking vociferously in favor of the "emergent polygyny" hypothesis. I have a fire in the belly indeed. I want the people who did this to go to jail.

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TinyPizza 11 points 3 years ago

Try to step away from your bias here and look at what you've written objectively, as if you're reading someone else's writing. Does that person seem rational and logical or does it seem like they've jumped to conclusions? Set that aside and ask yourself, besides this are there things in your life that are bothering you that you'd like help with? As suggested elsewhere, this may be an excellent time to consider therapy and focus on some self care.

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MrHand 0 points 3 years ago

Okay. How about this. Look at these papers.

https://research-repository.st-andrews.ac.uk/...

https://www.researchgate.net/...

These are "security researchers" calling on the government to treat incels just like I've been treated. There. Now are my claims more plausible? Of course, these people have their own biases and political prejudices, whether feminist, whether concerned about Trump, whether concerned about "is it good for the Jews." But for sure they have the ear of the government.

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Aatube 2 points 3 years ago

These are unpublished, unedited and non-peer-reviewed papers. Anybody can write a paper; that doesn't mean the papers are right.

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MrHand -1 points 3 years ago

When you google "incels" at a place like google scholar, almost all the material is from globohomo type academics demonizing them and calling for their intrusive monitoring by the security sector. those two articles are but just two examples. because the war on terror has winded down, in incels wolfish feds see a bounty justifying their fed jobs.

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Aatube 2 points 3 years ago

I see a trend of you demonizing most people except incels here

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goddard_guryon 8 points 3 years ago

Everything else aside, you do see what you're asking, right? This is basically "hey guys, I know I'm being actively tracked by security agencies (but I'm not a threat, trust me). How do I get rid of these trackers? Does anybody have any tips and tricks I can follow to get security agencies off my back?". Again, without getting into any of the context, what do you expect to get here? What kind of person would reply with "sure I gotchu, here's a list of tools I regularly use to keep cops distracted from whatever it is I do on the internet"?

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MrHand 0 points 3 years ago

But feds are selfish and lazy chodes and susceptible to (((bribery))). After all, the War on Terror has winded down and they constructed all these fusion centers for which they have no real use beyond targeting domestic dissidents. See Glenn Greenwald's critique of the new paradigm wherein DHS isn't as much concerned about foreign threats but more about domestic dissidents. Incels -- who only say they are romantically deprived and that emergent polygyny (women sharing Gorgeous Males) is not a non-factor -- have been deemed a threat on the flimsiest of pretenses because they (incels) give the jeebies to feminists and Jews who were supportive of the same Sexual Revolution that ultimately resulted in an incel class. The excerpt was written thirty years ago. It's gotten much worse. Why aren't incels then treated like a political party rather than as extremists? Who do the security agencies really serve? Why are some people so automatically trusting of them as if they aren't infallible and suspectable to influence while having selfish organizational interests?

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goddard_guryon 2 points 3 years ago

Maybe you didn't understand what I meant. Like I said, regardless of what circumstances you're supposedly a part of, how and why would anyone on a public forum help you with a request like this? Just try to answer me two scenarios: a) if I do happen to know some magical way to make you invisible in the eyes of any security agency under the sun, how do I know that you're not a security agent yourself, trying to sniff out potential criminals? And b) even if I do decide to tell you of some such magic cyber-wand, why would you trust it instead of thinking that I'm trying to hack your device even further?

My point had nothing to do with what kind of person you are or what ideological fight you're taking part in (meaning all the justifications for the same you provided above are meaningless here), all I'm saying is that your approach to getting help is misguided. As for what a better approach would be, I think a few other comments here point towards that.

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MrHand 0 points 3 years ago

"how do I know you're not a security agent yourself?" I am legit the only person willing to say incels.is = DHS. Would a security agent say that? Incels.is = DHS. They've "interrupted" the incel scene, surreptitiously banned incel spaces in order to direct would be incel posters to spaces they control. The novelty of my perspective should give me credibility.

https://twitter.com/WrongedIncel

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jet 5 points 3 years ago

Given your scenario your computer is totally compromised, you can't trust it.

The eff has a guide to help you:

https://ssd.eff.org/

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MrHand -18 points 3 years ago

What defense is there against NSA tools like Pegasus? I'm not kidding when I say they use my phone as a recorder to capture my interactions in the wild (in addition to having people from fusion centers follow me around.)

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jet 8 points 3 years ago

if you know your computer and phone are compromised, i would think the solution is obvious, stop using them.

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MrHand -18 points 3 years ago

If I get a different device they just compromise that too. What defense is their against the NSA?

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jet 9 points 3 years ago

In your scenario any device you get is compromised when its linked to you.... don't get a device, and don't link it to yourself

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kev 1 point 3 years ago

There is none. Even the best hackers have been caught by the government you are not exception. Like if you are asking a bunch of random people how to protect yourself against the government you already lost.

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MrHand 1 point 3 years ago

thx fed

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Melody 2 points 3 years ago

Assuming you're right and you have this level of compromise; assume that all of your current computing devices are compromised. This means your computer, smartphone, smartwatch, other Smart IoT devices all need to be shut down and shoved into a bin or drawer.

Your best solution is to scrap all your current computers and start from scratch...build your own PC and install your favorite flavor of Linux on it. Kill your postpaid wireless service; and buy prepaid service line(s) instead; after buying a new unlocked phone that you have flashed something like LineageOS on to.

Furthermore you need to completely kill your internet identity and come back on with an entirely new identity online. New username, new interests, new emails, new everything. Ideally you'd set everything up using Tor...and pay for everything you'd need; such as a VPN; with bitcoin or cash. Never pay with a card; as that can be traced.

In the meantime; While you are scrapping your current tech for more secure and privacy respecting tech and slowly cycling your identity online out for a new one...Please seek a counselor or therapist. I'm not going to say that you are mentally unwell; but I think you need to seek some guidance on your state of mind to ensure you're not going to end up jumping at your own shadows. Anxiety can be a bitch; especially social anxieties. Work with your medical care providers to rule out any instability you could be facing.

Once you've replaced all your tech with tech that respects your privacy; I would hope that would remove a load off of your mind and give you less reason to be afraid or paranoid when online...which will help you to seek more healthy communities which can also help you aim to improve your life in general, share your struggles safely with, and aren't filled with dangerous individuals who get you placed under unwanted scrutiny.

Really all you need to do is quit visiting the communities that are filled with the extremist rhetoric. I get that you may not be an extremist yourself; and that you may be trying to subconsciously escape a very toxic community and get out from under unwanted legal scrutiny so you can start fresh.

As long as you can avoid becoming a regular of these problematic communities; you can typically avoid being in the crosshairs of overzealous Law Enforcement Agencies.

If you are not OP read before replying...

Don't reply. I only want to hear from the OP as a reply.

To the OP: Before you reply

If you disagree about your mental state; don't reply. Downvote and move on. I only seek to provide advice and be empathetic to both you; and the ones who are concerned for your well being, but are communicating it poorly.

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Doug7070 1 point 3 years ago

Based on reading OP's replies, at this point I'm finding myself agreeing that this guy should be on a watch list...

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mihnt 1 point 3 years ago

Go on, touch it.

EDIT: Holy shit I didn't realize how bad off you are. You need some help, per your twitter.

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MrHand 1 point 3 years ago

could you elaborate?

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polskilumalo 1 point 3 years ago

Meds. Now.

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maroudava 1 point 3 years ago

The government monitors those types of forums because of the far right extremism that tends to be espoused there, which in turn encourages and leads to instances of politically-motivated domestic terrorism in the US. Putting your incel-related issues aside, if you're going to visit and post on obscure and extremist forums, you should have had the basic common sense to protect your privacy and security before doing so.

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Melody 1 point 3 years ago

If you are not OP read before replying...

Don't reply. I only want to hear from the OP as a reply.

To the OP: Before you reply

If you disagree about your mental state; don't reply. Downvote and move on. I only seek to provide advice and be empathetic to both you; and the ones who are concerned for your well being, but are communicating it poorly.

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HumanPerson 1 point 3 years ago

I am not going to comment on the incel thing other than to say get help, because while I don’t agree with that I still think privacy is an important right that you should have regardless of that. My advice would be to buy an old computer / phone / any electronics you want to be private in cash and in person. Don’t use any compromised devices to find the new devices. Install Linux (probably Debian would be my recommendation, although I am tempted to make an Arch user incel joke) on the computer and a privacy respecting os like graphene or calyx on the phone. You will have to make sure the phone supports it before buying. You should be able to set up i2p+ on Debian and on the phone. Use it whenever possible, even though it is insanely slow. There is a lot more than that, but I am tired.

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metaStatic 1 point 3 years ago

if you're gonna hang out with extremists maybe protect yourself before you get caught.

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MrHand 1 point 3 years ago

I wanted to hang out with men who felt romantically and sexually deprived. Instead I ended up at a space --incels.is -- run by the Department of Homeland Security. They have internet staff that larp as incels across various spaces. This is how they "disrupted" the incel scene. If government power is then deployed against incels, why shouldn't it also be deployed against globohomo types?

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MrHand -29 points 3 years ago

what's with the downvotes

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deegeese 46 points 3 years ago

You posted a piece of incel propaganda combined with a conspiracy theory and an extremely general request for malware help.

Too many red flags.

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MrHand -20 points 3 years ago

I was providing context -- who the threat is, my situation, etc. If I was posting "incel propaganda" I would have made incelish points -- instead I described what happened and the situation I was in. I even named the program: Countering Violent Extremism which is really just "precrime." Also, since feds are privy to my online activity in real-time, whose to say they aren't brigading this thread?

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wesker 27 points 3 years ago

What if I told you, you probably aren't as important to the government as you're fantasizing?

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MrHand -17 points 3 years ago

Whenever someone who comes under the precrime "Countering Violent Extremism" program airs their complaints like I did, invariably there's someone like you -- usually a fed -- who says just this sort of thing in order to paint the person as schizo. I ain't a schizo. I posted on incels.is. It's a DHS honeypot forum that's comprised entirely of larping feds and the naïve incel users in fact never see posts by people like themselves. This was my experience. I am not lying. If it didn't happen to me I couldn't have dreamt it up.

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Remmock 11 points 3 years ago

Your references to psychology being conditioning of the female agenda, a “Globohomo” regime, and demonstrating an upset over any non-traditional marriage typing like polygamy (of any kind) are all incel points. Your refusal of genuine assistance as part of your paranoid worldview unless it matches your preconceptions is suggestive of not genuinely seeking assistance but rather affirmation that you are correct in your assumptions.

Please disabuse yourself of these notions. Humans can barely make governments function to their actual purpose. Getting hundreds of thousands of people to operate lockstep in complete secrecy is borderline impossible.

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bloopernova 21 points 3 years ago

If you are not trolling, then you need therapy. You can be helped, if you approach the process with an open mind.

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jet 19 points 3 years ago

you sound a little unhinged, but thats ok! Crazy people need information security too!

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MrHand -18 points 3 years ago

People who are put in an open-air prison by the surveillance state -- and are deliberately made aware of it so that chodes at DHS can take credit for "prevention" -- will invariably sound a little unhinged when they air their grievance and, indeed, that's something feds count on.

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jet 11 points 3 years ago

I don't have to think your totally sane to help with your security scenario, lets get back on track

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CmdrShepard42 3 points 3 years ago

You're talking about being put in an "open-air prison" while simultaneously publicly complaining about the people you believe are monitoring you and also promoting your social media accounts on other platforms where you "document" your journey. You don't see the obvious contradiction here where you claim to be targeted, restricted, and silenced while simultaneously enjoying the same freedoms as the rest of us evidenced by your very own posts, comments, and social media accounts?

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MrHand 1 point 3 years ago

This is an obscure social media platform. I am censored on the major ones (facebook, twitter, youtube.) Twitter is the only major social media network I can speak my mind and you already how much they hate Musk. Also a lot of the people replying her and the same feds trailing me all over the web (except twitter where they're reluctant to engage me.)

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noundus 1 point 3 years ago

This is Lemmy, not Ruqqus, my friend. You're outside the overton window.

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In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
Don't promote proprietary software
Try to keep things on topic
If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
Be nice :)

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