A soldier with the Texas National Guard allegedly fired a gun near the U.S.-Mexico border, hitting a 22-year-old man across the border in Mexico.
Mexican authorities and an advocate for human rights say the bullet crossed the border from El Paso on Saturday near the Bridge of the Americas.
It then struck the man in the leg in Ciudad Juarez.
According to the Border Network for Human Rights (BNHR), that man was not attempting to cross the border, but practicing sports with a group.
An act of war is only such if the other side recognises it as such.
So if Mexico decide to see this has an isolated incident that can sorted out with some phone calls and hand wringing then it 'quite literally' isn't.
And of course that's what going to happen. To the point where it's not even worth mentioning that war will happen. In short, a rediculous comment.
No…”An action that would justify the initiation of hostilities against the perpetrator”
Mexico could use this event to justify war against the US. As you say, they will not — but they could if they wanted.
if they were completely nuts sure
Could you imagine the actual amount of ass kicking Mexico would receive of they declared war on the US?
Well, probably not. The US might just fortify its border with troops and material and try to talk them down. All while blasting anything that comes across the border.
Alamo 2 has a ring to it though
America went to war with Mexico when Mexico tried to enforce its border at the Nueces River which is north of the Rio grande. The US recognized the Rio grande (the current border). It started the Mexican-American war
Border incidents are always tense. Especially when the governor of said state, along with current presidential candidates, are calling for militarization of the border to protect from "invasion".
Surely you see the difference there though. An official position versus an individual with no authority committing a crime. It's only an act of war to the most sensationalist.
That is quite literally an act of war FREEDOM, YEEEHAWW.
America sucks. We are a gold plated garbage country of sociopathic owners and battered spouse peasants.
That said, no one wants to fuck with the war machine we maintain in lieu of funding the well-being of our society.
For context, there are 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers on Earth, arguably the most potent Warfare platform Mankind has ever developed.
10 of those 11 are American. France has 1. Our supposed greatest threats are still rocking diesel powered junk.
An act of stupid
Isn't that what the Republicans want?
If this happened as described the person who did this should be handed over for trial in Mexico. Which isn't going to happen. Maybe the Mexican government should send their army to the border to protect their citizens.
If this happened as described, it's an overt act of war and Mexico is within its rights to invade the US, if it had the capability.
No it's not.
It might have been an accidental firing, it may have been some retard racist, it may have been twenty other things. Either way, two friendly neighbours that need each other's economies would not and should not start murmuring about war over relatively small incidents like these.
Yes, it hugely sucks for the victim and the US should financially pay for everything but that is what you have diplomats for.
It would be a casus belli, but it won't actually result in war. There's a difference. No matter what the situation, unless the US gives the shooter over to Mexico, it's a perfectly justified casus belli, just a useless one because there is no way that's happening and more diplomatic ways to handle it.
It might have been an accidental firing
The chances of accidentally firing across a fucking river and hitting a moving person in the leg are approximately zero.
Eh, no, it's not. Any idea how many people are killed by stray bullets, each year? Those parties where people start shooting in the air... Those bullets have to come back down at some point, and they do, and unfortunately too often on people too.
It may have been on purpose, it may not. Claiming it's impossible is nonsense
No. That's not at all right. Accidents happen, no two countries are going to go to war over one random person accidentally shot.
It isn't going to lead to a nice conversation, but that doesn't mean it could (or should) lead to a war.
And that war is one of the first examples always brought up of needless war in an era of rich people looking for glory as a distraction from boredom and a way to gain social rank.
Not really a great example for this considering the refrain after was "never again".
should
sigh I wish people wouldn't treat Texas like one homogeneous culture. It really isn't. The major cities tend to lean liberal, but between gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the fact that the Democrats seem to no longer be interested in fielding candidates that actually stand a chance, it seems like there's not much anyone can do.
Well I've been living in Texas for almost 20 years. Mostly Houston and now DFW. Originally, I'm from California and I lived there for 12 years. I'm going back to college so I can afford to leave Texas.
Yes, the major cities are more liberal, especially Houston. But confederate flags abound! It's only been getting worse since 2020. It's a shame because Houston is the most culturally diverse place I've ever been. But be that as it may, this is the South. This is the home of racists.
The Mexicans won the last time there was a battle at the Alamo. They may not want to repeat that.
If the Texans lost every battle like that, they’ll win in no time.
I've lived in Texas all my life and while it is far from a "shithole", I am unapologetically disgusted by my home state's current political climate.
When I was growing up (in DFW), I got a liberal (as in the tradition sense, not as a political spectrum) public education which I look back on to fondly. We were taught about sex (starting in 5th grade) and encouraged to be aware of racial issues and the root causes of hatred and encouraged to be friends with all our peers and egalitarian towards people of any color. Gayness was not mentioned, but also not condemned, and I definitely had gay friends and knew at least two gay couples in high school who were open, supported by students and teachers, and happy.
My own childhood outside of school was one of amazing freedom and self-responsibility. My parents' rule was "be back for dinner". We all had bikes, and we would range dozens of miles a day on them. We did crazy, stupid, amazingly fun things all by ourselves as children. We got in trouble, we got hurt, but we learned how to be self-reliant and entertain ourselves and we never did anything "criminal" nor were we ever threatened by anyone.
I saw my state elect a liberal female governor who was amazeballs and famously stuck George W Bush with her barbed tongue.
But what always existed, underneath, was what we called the "Old Boy Network", which really was just code for white, wealthy, privileged, bigoted men. Clayton Williams, who infamously ran for governor, was a prime example of the type.
So, while Texas was - and I think still will be - on a grand trajectory towards being an enlightened, liberal, egalitarian state in my childhood, it got twisted up and corrupted (I point my finger at Reaganism and Religious Extremism as the starting points, at least in my awareness) until we now have a hateful little troll as governor, a shitbag full of cronies, and voters who think Donald Trump represents the ideal American who should be president (again).
I love Texas, or loved it, but now I am dismayed by it - by the hatred and the ignorance that it just seems to be oozing now. I hate the fact that this has happened to my state and after spending my entire adult life voting and speaking against this trend, I now just want to leave.
Unfortunately, I can't think of any other state in the Union I would leave to. They all have problems. The symptom of Texas is just one of the most visible of the disease that affects our entire country.
Hatred and fear of the other, the least American value I can think of, has finally blossomed, nurtured by people who would rather see this country descend into war than dare teach that the powerful people in this country have treated the powerless people in it very, very badly for a very, very long time.
I hear Minnesota is pretty great if you don't mind the winters. It's where I'm considering moving to from California (love my state but holy shitballs it's way too expensive to exist here)
Mexico is our second largest trade partner. You sure you wanna do that?
One of my favorite lyrics:
Now, why don't you look down to where your feet is planted?
That U.S. soil that makes you take shit for granted
If not for Santa Ana, just to let you know
That where your feet are planted, would be Mexico, correcto!
Nah this sounds like a Texas thing for sure
Please stop reducing everything to hurr durr Florida. It's not clever, it's just played out.
Please stop reducing everything to hurr durr Florida. It’s not clever, it’s just played out.
- Florida Man
Your mom have any kids that lived?
Yeah, they all know your mom intimately.
Sure, as soon as Florida stops justifying it with literally everything it does.
You know why you hear about crazy shit in FL? Go look it up, I'll wait
But you won't because you're a cock
Stops what? Existing?
Cool story
I was wondering how long it would be before Texas stopped recognizing Mexican sovereign territory. I'm surprised it's taken this long.
This is not the first cross border shooting.
Sadly, it's pretty common. The Conservatives of the US Supreme Court even weighed in on one of them and said it was a-okay to murder a kid across the border.
i hate texas
I guess we'll have to give Texas back to Mexico as reparations... We sure won't miss it.
No sports allowed! Only war
For those wanting more about Border Patrol killings:
Similarly, the actions of CBP officers also affect the number of migrant deaths. The CBP Office of Professional Responsibility reported that 151 CBP-related deaths occurred in FY 2021. This figure includes migrant deaths that occur in CBP custody as a result of use of force by a CBP officer and vehicle collisions that occur during active pursuit by the CBP, among other causes.
In June of 2022, the CBP reported a use of force incident that resulted in the death of one individual. Migrant deaths that resulted after high-speed chases by the CBP in 2022 have been documented in Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.
These incidents are currently being investigated by Homeland Security Investigations.
However, the comprehensiveness of CBP data has been scrutinized by the GAO, which stated in April of 2022 that “Border Patrol has not collected and recorded, or reported to Congress, complete data on migrant deaths, or disclosed associated data limitations.”
Supreme Court Rules Border Patrol Agents Who Shoot Foreign Nationals Can't Be Sued
It's insane how much immunity people with guns get
I guess, it's time for Round 2 for Mexico and the US.
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That is quite literally an act of war.
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