I skipped the steps of the application process that would have clued the agency in on my lack of fitness for the position. I made no effort to hide my public loathing of the agency, what it stands for, and the administration that runs it. And they offered me the job anyway.
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The agent then told me a bit about his own background. Like me, he enlisted straight out of high school, then got out and vowed to get as far away from the violence of the military as possible. Like a lot of veterans, he had trouble assimilating into the civilian world. “After about six months, I was like, ‘These people aren’t like me. I want to be around like-minded people.’ ” He found his way into law enforcement.
This also stood out to me. People ive had discussions with have often tried to argue that the military is not as bad and that ACAB doesnt apply to military veterans. Fuck no. Active military deployment turns people into fucking ghouls that are incompatible with society. Some people turning out well (like the author) is just the exception to the rule.
They aren't ghouls, they're victims. They can be, and often are, victimizers as well. Most people join the military because they're broke and desperate. Have some class solidarity.
Now the people who join the military just to go shoot someone in the Middle East (or soon South America maybe), yeah, they can get thrown into the meat grinder.
I agree, that they are also victims. Ideally they would get the help they need, but realistically thats not happening so we have no choice but distance us from them, lest we become victims too.
That's an insane and inhumane stance which could be equally applied to mentally ill / developmentally challenged people in many cases. The price of community is inconvenience. We aren't only meant to protect and take care of people when it's comfortable for us.
Now if we're talking about living with someone with PTSD who waves a gun at you or hits you, for sure, get yourself out of that situation for your own wellbeing. But there's a lot of room between "Calling them ghouls and exiling them from polite society" versus "Avoiding becoming a victim of their violence", especially when they aren't all violent.
I tend to place human compassion as a higher priority than morals derived from novels.
...also the book is about shooting a mentally handicapped guy because the world wasn't able to accommodate his disability. Are you always pro-eugenics or just in specific cases?
2x Combat vet here. Yeah, you're not wrong. I have grown to despise many of the guys I've deployed with. I see their posts on FB and am to the point I really want to call them out and publicly shame them. I feel like I'm a unicorn, I've gotten more and more leftie as I get older and have shunned my military past. Just my two cents. Fuck trump and fuck ICE.
I've noticed it seems to polarize people. A lot of the best (and worst) people I deal with are ex-military or convicts. Wake or break type deal, they seem to come out hardened and inspired to resist or broken enough to fit the mold perfectly. Sorry about your service.
Having said that, people leave our police force either mentally damaged or suicidal from the PTSD, physically broken or killed, or angry at the entire force at how they treat their resources (ie people). The goal is to retire-out, right around when you really hate the job, and have the body and mind to never look back.
I made no effort to hide my public loathing of the agency, what it stands for, and the administration that runs it. And they offered me the job anyway.
That is far better than I expected, not worse. Hopefully there are enough of such folks that we can get some internal resistance going.
Yup. If I get fired I'm definitely applying and they'll regret hiring me.
Things ICE agents shouldn't do:
- Download a virus on work computer
- Accidentally drop cell keys into detainee areas
- LSD in office coffee machine
- Crash patrol vehicle into ocean
- Arrest spouses of other ICE agents
- Arrest all of Trump's wives
- Racially profile Kash Patel
- Irrigate ammo storage areas
- Disco Elysium stuff
- Break into empty buildings with absentee landowners and leave them open.
- Fake your arrest numbers
- Deport MAGA immigrants
Good question, I looked and it is unstable at higher temps!
Ketamine, however, is higher-temp stable ;)
Yes, it works, but also yes, high temps will destroy LSD. So if it was a brand-new-scalding-hot pot, it would probably degrade. Would you still feel it? Idk. If it's a lukewarm pot though, you'll probably trip just fine.
For informational purposes only, obviously.
This happened at my Junior High School the year after I had left, but it turns out it was iced tea, not hot tea: https://www.latimes.com/...
I dunno about giving a bunch of unknowingly LSD who also happen to have access to guns and the ability to destroy lives. Seems like a bad idea.
Now laxaitives or sediatives, that's a different story. Cna't shoot innocent people if you're too busy shitting on the toilet or asleep at the wheel.
Now you're talking.
actually, i'm thinking maybe joining ice could get me the drugs i need to live easier. also i could deport people to i don't know honolulu
...I mean that implies they wouldn't hire Nazis if they were screening.
America inspired the Nazis. This is nothing new. Our country is founded on genocide and built by slavery. The only reason decorum has been maintained as long as it has is because the propaganda/distraction machine worked so well until they broke it on Israel and forgetting to give people enough money to eat.
The LA Sherriff's Department was revealed to have gangs in their ranks which would go out and party and get commemorative gang tattoos after they killed their first person.
Basically nothing happened as a result.
You drastically overestimate the extent to which there is oversight or accountability for any so-called 'law enforcement' in this country.
My thinking as well...
Let’s say a local police officer arrests someone out in the field for a DUI. Extremely common. Or beating their wife or whatever—all the typical crimes they commit,” he said.
Are we talking about immigrants or cops?
D.U.I and wife beating are time honored cop activities, they have to be talking about cops for sure.
Actual link: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184
Thanks, meant to link it.
I read just yesterday in a differen... wait, it was Ken Klippenstein, here it is - anyhow, DHS employees (I guess even some of the newly hired ICE goons) just don't want to do this shit anymore, but The Don said MOAR so they are scrambling to get people to do the dirtiest work.
edit: it appears the article is about last autumn, so what I quoted is not directly connected but still of interest
The Border Patrol agent said that while a significant minority of his colleagues agree with him, they are not comfortable speaking out given the political climate.
There's also this important qualifier that its just a minority according to the person interviewed.
no, i meant the article linked in this post.
Sometimes I wonder how feasible it would be to join and sabotage them from the inside
The danger of doing something "ironically" or "to gain access from the inside" is, you MUST have a hard cutoff point, both in terms of time spent and things accomplished, and you MUST exit as soon as either one happens, regardless of the status of the other.
Anything less, and you run the very real and serious risk of doing it for so long, you end up actually just doing it for real.
That's kind of what a handler is for.
This is true, but having a handler requires one to know someone they can trust absolutely. Sadly, not everyone knows someone like that.
And this is one of our weaknesses we don't have the organization to easily put this together. I would not know how to set it up and probably already fucked up by talking about it.
probably to act as subterfuge, like secretly warning which areas ICE is about to hit ahead of time.
This is a worthy goal. However, what you're suggesting is very much like choosing to shoot a bank robber; you need to very carefully consider how you're going to achieve your goal without looking like one of them.
50k would be a game changer for me right now
Edit: I think I would have to stay there for 2 years to keep the bonus. Fuck that.
Maybe, but also you might be underestimating their incompetence.
ICE is just a tool. Mango Hitler wants them to push the population, but he doesn't give a shit about them all. They are simply expendable and, when they are not useful anymore, they'll be thrown under the bus.
Notice how people talk about ICE but not about who controls ICE. They are just useful fools.
“Let’s say a local police officer arrests someone out in the field for a DUI. Extremely common. Or beating their wife or whatever—all the typical crimes they commit,” he said. (The “they” here being “undocumented immigrants,” and while it’s extremely difficult to measure, evidence suggests that “they” actually commit crimes at a lower rate than U.S.-born citizens.)
"All the typical crimes THEY commit?" I would bet nearly anything that the rate of DUI and Domestic Abuse is FAR, FAR higher among ICE Agents, than undocumented immigrants.
Unfortunate paywall. I was actually enjoying that article.
Here's sort of the punchline near the end:
“Please note that this is a TENTATIVE offer only, therefore do not end your current employment,” the email instructed me. It then listed a series of steps I’d need to quickly take. I had 48 hours to log onto USAJobs and fill out my Declaration for Federal Employment, then five additional days to return the forms attached to the email. Among these forms: driver’s license information, an affidavit that I’ve never received a domestic violence conviction, and consent for a background check. And it said: “If you are declining the position, it is not necessary to complete the action items listed below.”
As I mentioned, I’d missed the email, so I did exactly none of these things.
And that might have been where this all ended—an unread message sinking to the bottom of my inbox—if not for an email LabCorp sent three weeks later. “Thank you for confirming that you wish to continue with the hiring process,” it read. (To be clear, I had confirmed no such thing.) “Please complete your required pre-employment drug test.”
The timing was unfortunate. Cannabis is legal in the state of New York, and I had partaken six days before my scheduled test. Then again, I hadn’t smoked much; perhaps with hydration I could get to the next stage. Worst-case scenario, I’d waste a small piece of ICE’s gargantuan budget. I traveled to my local LabCorp, peed in a cup, and waited for a call telling me I’d failed.
Nine days later, impatience got the best of me. For the first time, I logged into USAJobs and checked my application to see if my drug test had come through. What I actually saw was so implausible, so impossible, that at first I did not understand what I was looking at.
Somehow, despite never submitting any of the paperwork they sent me—not the background check or identification info, not the domestic violence affidavit, none of it—ICE had apparently offered me a job.
According to the application portal, my pre-employment activities remained pending. And yet, it also showed that I had accepted a final job offer and that my onboarding status was “EOD”—Entered On Duty, the start of an enlistment period. I moused over the exclamation mark next to “Onboarding” and a helpful pop-up appeared. “Your EOD has occurred. Welcome to ICE!”
I clicked through to my application tracking page. They’d sent my final offer on Sept. 30, it said, and I had allegedly accepted. “Welcome to Ice. … Your duty location is New York, New York. Your EOD was on Tuesday, September 30th, 2025.”
By all appearances, I was a deportation officer. Without a single signature on agency paperwork, ICE had officially hired me.
Interesting. Apparently the recruiters are gaming the system, too. They're probably getting a piece of that sweet-sweet signing bonus.
Fair point. That is another possible explanation.
Wait they Dont hire people with domestic violence convictions? The way they operate I thought it was an requirement.
Somehow, despite never submitting any of the paperwork they sent me—not the background check or identification info, not the domestic violence affidavit, none of it—ICE had apparently offered me a job
I think you missed the key line. Perhaps they care about the optics of it and include that as part of the paperwork (granted, that's perhaps a holdover from previous administrations), but they don't actually care about how you fill it out (or in this case, not fill it out).
It just said to submit an affidavit (meaning you can lie, but they can retaliate against you later). If they were serious, it would say that DV shows up on the background report and would disqualify you
So it sounds like if they got 100,000 totally real applications in 30 seconds, they would be confused why everyone no called no shows on the next siege.
Here ya go, enjoy
They’re recruiting the IDF
they are using tactics from the IDF.
I am trying to change careers and was joking about joining ICE with my mom yesterday. We got a laugh out of me needing to find size 25 combat boots and a human colored clown wig first. If they want a circus they should expect clowns.
It says they prioritizing law enforcement and military backgrounds, but not being greatly rigorous... Which is better than I expected (I thought they'd be going straight to far right hate groups for direct recruiting).
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