Obey or Die!

9 months ago by TimboSlice to c/memes

Note: Billy has a much better chance of survival due to his skin color.

RedFrank24 107 points 9 months ago

That's a wildly optimistic take. ICE will kill you, whether you're obeying them or not.

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danc4498 27 points 9 months ago

You gotta obey while being maced and beaten by 5 cops. And you have less than 30 seconds to do so.

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GreenShimada 9 points 9 months ago

And they might just ask "does he have a gun?" "Wait - does he have a gun?!" "DOES HE HAVE A GUN?!" until they shoot you 10 times just to be able to look and say "nope."

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danc4498 4 points 9 months ago

They gave you a whole 30 seconds to comply. You’re basically asking to get shot.

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Passerby6497 22 points 9 months ago

Hey, they may also shout conflicting orders so they have justification for murdering you, because you didn't stand with your hands on your head while getting on the ground

That's how clean shoots happen

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kboos1 11 points 9 months ago

Simon didn't say put your hands up.....BANG

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deadymouse 2 points 9 months ago
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possiblylinux127 -6 points 9 months ago

ICE isn't police though

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UnspecificGravity 3 points 9 months ago

Yes, they are and so is the Border Patrol.

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possiblylinux127 -5 points 9 months ago

No, they aren't

If you look at the videos they don't even have proper gear. They are just a bunch of "volunteers" who enjoy causing harm to others. Even if they were properly trained federal agents, they still wouldn't be police since police are done at a local level not a federal level.

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UnspecificGravity 11 points 9 months ago

They are literally federal police, a thing that this country has had for more than a century. The state defines what police are.

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illi 31 points 9 months ago

Billy has a much better chance of survival due to his skin color.

Idk man, given recent events this might not be true anymore.

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ms_lane 18 points 9 months ago

Daniel Shaver was a decade ago.

It remains that people of colour are more likely to be profiled and prejudiced into a confrontation with police-

But once in a confrontation with police, it's "Us vs. Them".

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CyberEgg 14 points 9 months ago

Renée Good and Alex Pretty were this month.

My argument is not that now suddenly white people in the US experience as much police brutality and arbitrariness as PoC in the US. It just seems the chances of white people surviving such encounters are dropping.

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illi 1 point 9 months ago

This is what I meant, yes

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UnspecificGravity 7 points 9 months ago

Everyone in America can name the last two people shot by ICE/BP. How many can name any of the ten people who were before them without looking it up?

The BP shoots Mexican kids across the border for fun, and they have been doing that constantly since they were formed. They don't even bother making up his reasons for doing it because American courts don't consider it to be a crime.

Bovino made ONE mistake: acting like those rules also applied to white people. And that's why he got fired.

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BanMe 16 points 9 months ago

My 3yo got a coloring book from a visiting cop at preschool the other day.

First off, he's 3. Starting that young just shows how much they've considered it. A full half of the kids there are black, we're in a city famous for historical racism.

His moms have established words they don't want him using yet, like "shoot." OK, they're his parents I can understand and respect that. We play with nerf darts and stomp rockets, and never "launch" them at people.

So the coloring book teaches him vocabulary like "suspect," "pepper spray," and "stun device." They're answers to puzzles.

I made an offhand joke that next year's coloring book will explain how a "suspect" was "incorrectly adjudicated" by an officer's "bullet device."

His moms wisely threw the book away explaining they don't want to teach about racist, rapist pigs yet. I was so happy. He'll never know his biological grandmother is a cop-worshipper because she'll never meet him.

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CyberEgg 8 points 9 months ago

My 3yo

His moms

they're his parents

I'm confused. Is that now your kid? What's going on?

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Gongin 4 points 9 months ago

Poster is the Father?

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CyberEgg 2 points 9 months ago

Why would he then exclude himself from [parents]?

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semperverus 2 points 8 months ago

Mom divorced dad to marry a woman, got majority custody maybe?

Or likely him calling them the parents was not an exclusive-and type situation.

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FlashMobOfOne 6 points 8 months ago

I remember being a kid and "Officer Friendly" visiting our school, then later, Officer Dickens running the D.A.R.E. program we were all forced to go through.

The propaganda is so pervasive that most people never question how wrong it is that cops are authoritarian. Good on you for doing what you can to teach your child the reality of the world.

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ExcessShiv 12 points 9 months ago

Billy has a much better chance of survival due to his skin color.

IDK man, there might be a slight brownish hue...

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Passerby6497 5 points 9 months ago

Anything not blue is brown

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The_Picard_Maneuver 12 points 8 months ago

I'm seeing lots of reports on this for rule #2, and while I think this sort of commentary is obviously the basis of a lot of political bickering, I'm not sure if the framing in the meme itself is wholly political.

I might be way off base making a judgement call here, but I'm going to leave this one be.

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Ensign_Crab 11 points 8 months ago

Might have to? It's "might get to."

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Katana314 8 points 9 months ago

Going past single-panel rhetoric, does anyone know any great media to showcase this dichotomy of feeling between what police should be, and what they are?

Something like: Highlighting the life and pride of a police officer that loves the force and sees himself as a hero protecting people - then slowly getting sickened by all the protestors insisting police are horrible - before eventually being exposed to the terrible actions of other police before breaking down and doubting their own life’s mission.

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moody 4 points 9 months ago

Not exactly the same, but Serpico shows what happens to good cops who reguse to turn a blind eye to corruption, and it's based on a true story.

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Console_Modder 3 points 9 months ago

The Departed is a great movie in general and it's about two men, one is an undercover cop in the Irish Mafia and the other is a Mafia member working for the cops. They are both trying to figure out who the rat is in their organizations without being found out themselves. May not be exactly what you want, but there's a TON of police corruption in the movie

Edit: I know I've seen End of Watch and I thought it was a good movie, but I don't remember much of it. Apparently that's about two LAPD cops who get tangled up in some cartel corruption of their department, so maybe that one too?

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DeathByBigSad 2 points 9 months ago

The Departed

True OGs know of Infernal Affairs, its where they got the concept from.

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Console_Modder 2 points 9 months ago

I'm definitely gonna have to watch that, thanks for the heads up

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Sonotsugipaa 2 points 9 months ago

Ready Or Not, I think?

On the surface it plays like copaganda, some people certainly call it copaganda, it does have some pro-police elements, but there are several bits of lore that points to cases of police corruption or misbehavior on multiple scales.

some examples (spoilers)
  • In one mission, you have to detain a corrupt FISA (= FBI) agent - he may pull out a gun and shoot you, if he feels like he can take you out.
  • You have to raid a house where three brothers are illegally modding and selling guns, to pay for their mother's cancer treatment. She tipped off the cops, to stop her children from getting into too much trouble; if you end up using lethal force, you're killing the sons of a mother who believed in you in front of her, and the game doesn't count that as a failure.
  • There's an in-universe equivalent of MKUltra, and the main character is apparently a successful test subject of it. Some speculate that the USIA (= CIA) is artificially facilitating crime in Los Suenos to put you to the test.
  • A mission briefing states that a police officer (or many? idr) beats up a detained suspect, who has to be sent to a hospital - the "victim" did massacre an entire night club with his buddies, but still, it's technically police brutality.
  • In the last mission of the base game you find a cargo container with human trafficking victims in it, then a sus conversation happens where another FISA agent butts in the comms and orders you to close it; it's unclear what's going on, the entire game teaches you that it's specifically not your job to take care of injured civilians and whatnot, but the tone of the characters implies that the FISA agent may be trying to cover the tracks of the criminal organization.

If you do a bad job too often (which includes harming civilians and surrendering suspects), your subordinates retire (from the police, I assume).

Not you, though.

MKUltra.

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explodicle 1 point 9 months ago

Fingers crossed for Zootopia 3

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mech 1 point 9 months ago

Training Day shows an idealistic new cop who's exposed to the worst corruption inside the police force on his first day.

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Console_Modder 1 point 9 months ago
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PieMePlenty 8 points 9 months ago

This is the mindset I've adapted about the US in the last 10 years. This is the mindset I'll pass on about the US until I see it change. Police reaching for the gun the second they get a response they don't like is not good. This is not a society I'd wish to be a part of. Good luck Americans. And godspeed.

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Manjushri 7 points 9 months ago

Billy has a much better chance of survival due to his skin color.

That depends. Does Billy have an accent?

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TomMasz 5 points 9 months ago

I remember when this would have been funny.

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PrimeMinisterKeyes 4 points 8 months ago

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mech 3 points 9 months ago

Who's the artist? Please include the source

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TimboSlice 3 points 9 months ago
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sepi 2 points 9 months ago

New meta dropped: reduced survival chances for light skin colors.

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eestileib 3 points 9 months ago

Community manager notes: "this is not about nerfing the yt player class, this is about increasing the incentive for team play and giving you a greater sense of accomplishment"

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JamieDub86 2 points 9 months ago

Alls you have to do is comply.

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ms_lane 4 points 9 months ago

YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY

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Test_Tickles 1 point 9 months ago

Ah the good old days... Back when they gave you a full 20 seconds before shooting you for being unarmed.

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mudkip 1 point 9 months ago

This is the current state of our country

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deadymouse 1 point 9 months ago
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Proprietary_Blend 1 point 9 months ago

And yet so many people voted for her

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far_university1990 1 point 9 months ago

Rule #2?

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mech 1 point 9 months ago

Also Rule #5?

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far_university1990 2 points 8 months ago

I think saw woman in art style before. Probably not ai.

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TimboSlice 1 point 8 months ago

Wrong

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Eyekaytee -4 points 9 months ago

every comm is usa politics

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JamieDub86 15 points 9 months ago

TBF this applies too many countries police forces.

Edit; "too" not "to".

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konalt 13 points 9 months ago

No, "to" is correct.

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JamieDub86 6 points 9 months ago

Apparently Im having a bit of a morning.

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snooggums 5 points 9 months ago

Me two!

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CyberEgg 8 points 9 months ago

This is not a US exclusive issue. Don't be so US centric.

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Prunebutt 3 points 9 months ago

Oh, my sweet summer child...

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Ensign_Crab 2 points 8 months ago

I doubt you'd be whining if it were hating on Muslims.

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Eyekaytee 0 points 8 months ago

👶

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Ensign_Crab 2 points 8 months ago

And now I'm certain you wouldn't be whining if it were Islamophobia.

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possiblylinux127 -9 points 9 months ago

This is messed up

Don't go around spreading hate just to hate. Sure there are bad cops but there are also a ton of cops who just want to make the world a better place.

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CyberEgg 4 points 9 months ago

They should start within their own ranks then. But everyone who keeps looking away is as bad as the rest.

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