Make No Mistake: We Are in a Civil War

5 months ago by return2ozma to c/politics

It is time for local and state governments to resist more forcefully the lawlessness and cowardice of an out-of-control federal government under the thumb of Trump.
grumpusbumpus 27 points 5 months ago

"Only extremists are pushing for conflict."

This is a disastrously ill-informed perspective. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to rising fascism. There is no historical precedent for an electoral solution to massive wealth inequality.

Stop scrolling and sit with these facts. Then stop rage-posting and start planning.

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Cethin 15 points 5 months ago

OK, I don't think you're actually correct. It sounds cool though. It was not only German, Italy, Japan, and Spain that had rising fascism. There was famously a coup planned (The Business Plot) in the US. There were also large movements in France and England too.

This isn't to say that you shouldn't prepare. It's to say do that and vote. Voting takes so little effort that there's no excuse not to.

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Ferrous 1 point 5 months ago

Voting takes so little effort that there's no excuse not to.

What if you have two kids under your watch and work won't let you take off?

Voting in America is extremely difficult compared to other countries. Just saying "its so easy, just do it" overlooks the plethora of strategies the ruling class uses to disenfranchise voters.

Also, this is all assuming ICE isn't patrolling every polling station come midterms. At that point, I dont think anyone could honestly say "voting is easy"

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Switchy85 6 points 5 months ago

https://www.adp.com/...

28 states require employers to give, at least, some time during work hours to vote by law. Beyond that, many states have mail in voting of some kind, or early voting, or both. Obviously some states don't give you much for options, but it's worth a try.
Of course, the fact of the matter is, this may be the last time you have to try and save what's left of this country from diving into a fascist dictatorship. I'd say make the effort FOR your kids. Don't make excuses because of them.

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UltraMagnus 5 points 5 months ago

Normal answer is absentee voting, but that's part of the reason MAGA has been going after it so hard.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 5 months ago

i think you're focusing on the wrong word. it's the extremists that are pushing for the conflict, the sane are prepping.

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phoenixz 4 points 5 months ago

No, not yet

But yeah, if the Cheeto continues, you will be VERY soon.

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Lushed_Lungfish 3 points 5 months ago

Well then I hope you have a better follow through than last time.

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Smaile 2 points 5 months ago

canadians have stopped worrying about america invading anytime soon, its clear they'll have a civil war before then

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Darkness343 -1 points 5 months ago

I wonder if it'll be as cool as in the movie

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TheCriticalMember 2 points 5 months ago

It didn't seem very cool in the movie. Or maybe that was your point... šŸ¤”

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Darkness343 1 point 5 months ago

It looked quite cool tbh. Always nice to see the corrupted US fall in fiction. Hopefully it also does irl.

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jimmy90 -21 points 5 months ago

the far left and the far right will themselves to their glorious climax

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HarneyToker 4 points 5 months ago

What a stupid fucking thing to say in this post. Good job, I’m actually blown away.

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TheCriticalMember 3 points 5 months ago

Are the far left in the room with us right now?

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -34 points 5 months ago

Well at least we got rid of Biden.

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TropicalDingdong 56 points 5 months ago

Bidens why we're here dude.

If instead of insisting Biden be the candidate from 2023-2024, if we could have had a real primary, quite literally ALL of this could have been prevented.

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UnspecificGravity 64 points 5 months ago

And if they hadn't put their thumb on the scale for Hillary in 2016, and she hadn't decided to reach for some imaginary middle razor thin between corporate liberals and fascists, Trump would just be another dumb clown that tried to be a Republican presidential candidate.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -46 points 5 months ago

Ten years later and you’re still talking about Bernie losing the primary.

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ZC3rr0r 47 points 5 months ago

I feel that, for a lot of folks, he was the last candidate that promised an actual brighter future to believe in. It's a shame corporate donors pushed him out of the race, as it left a lot of folks feeling that their voices would never be heard. I think it's even fair to say that his dismissal by the Democrat party directly led to the voter resentment that helped Trump win the elections.

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UnspecificGravity 24 points 5 months ago

In a discussion about Democrats fucking up running against Trump? Yeah, that's what the adults are doing here, kiddo.

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Mantzy81 13 points 5 months ago

MAGA/Trump is still complaining about Obama, tan suits and Nobel Peace Prizes. Your point being?

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Zoomboingding 6 points 5 months ago

What happened in 2016 was legitimately fucked up. Bernie was primaried in many key states and his debate performance was excellent. Media completely neglected to mention him and DNC buried him in favor of their pick.

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grumpusbumpus 3 points 5 months ago

Yes, because if we weren't captured by a single-party corporate system we wouldn't be in this mess. Reactionary fascism arises from the material immiseration of the people. If the Democrats were beholden to improving the lives of citizens rather than clinging to power and corporate interests, we would not be in this mess.

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aquovie 14 points 5 months ago

Don't excuse these Nazi's actions by pointing at Biden. Biden didn't turn them into Nazis.

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TropicalDingdong 2 points 5 months ago

Nothing about criticizing the one person who held the power to stop this all from happening, is an argument in support of the fascists

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SaveTheTuaHawk 1 point 5 months ago

But Biden's poor management of the Democrats let the Nazis take power.

Any asshole trying to be President over 70 is a problem.

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HarneyToker 7 points 5 months ago

ā€œIt’s not the bad guys’ faults, it’s the fault of everyone else for not stopping the bad guys.ā€

You are an ass hat.

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whereIsTamara 0 points 5 months ago

Well, I guess we showed those dems what they get. Too bad there won’t be another election. Gosh, wish we all knew that was coming.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -12 points 5 months ago

I’m pretty sure you’d all would have found a problem with whoever was chosen though.

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TropicalDingdong 15 points 5 months ago

Ok. So you are a cynic for whom no answer is going to be good enough.

Maybe just don't share any of your perspectives or opinions in the future then, considering the manner of your opinion did direct harm to our ability to stop Trump when we had the chance?

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -16 points 5 months ago

No I think I’ll continue thanks for the advice though!

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jimmy90 0 points 5 months ago

the extremists love a good war eh?

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