Donor Pulls Scholarships After University of Arkansas Fayetteville Posts Ten Commandments
7 months ago by ThefuzzyFurryComrade to c/atheism
it also potentially deligtimizes the degrees in the University,
Nice! Which commandment did you study!?
A dozen or so!
These days getting a degree in a red state basically guarantees a devalued degree.
I will concede that the 10 Commandments have any value when we elect a president that actually observes them all.
Taking the lord’s name in vain doesn't mean swearing "god damn it!" It means claiming to be of the faith to swindle people. That's exactly what they're doing now.
Yeah I'd like to see them laugh at having to remove all guns from the police, military, and the death penalties.
Does thou shall not kill also mean we can't kill animals and plants as well? Guess we would all have to starve...
I mean, most of the things there are already codified in law or in the social contract. Don't kill people is pretty universal.
I'd rather people math their expectations onto reality than the reverse.
Don’t kill people is pretty universal.
I'm pretty sure we have never had a president who respected that one.
That's not fair. Rules don't apply to the rich or powerful.
I meant for actual normal people.
Unless the US gets their extremist christofascists under control, they'll never be able to become a normal civilized nation, it'll always gravitate towards a theologic dictatorship.
Tax all churches of any religion. Heavily.
Ban prayers everywhere but at some and church
Ban any groups that wants to introduce religion based curriculums at achools and label them as the domestic terrorist organizations that they are
Jail the leadership
I don't see many other choices here. It's either that, or just continue with the same bullshit we've seen for the past 7 decades
The christofascists are actually ENCOURAGED here for a reason, they are very easy to control and manipulate (as any television show on The Christian Network will reveal immediately).
They are also used against each other (various religions and sects), that's why they are all tax-free! "We" want it to flourish. They are perfectly divisive.
Oh hells no
If anything, these guys cooperate. Leave it up to the religious to tell eachother to all vote the same way. Religious groups is why we are here in the first place.
Tax churches, now! For all I care, prohibit religions even
You're not wrong from a citizen's perspective, but you are wrong from a powermonger politico's perspective.
I agree, they should at LEAST pay taxes, but that doesn't look likely with our current government.
Prohibiting religions never, ever works, and instead feeds them. They adore martyrdom as a concept, and love sending others to die and "go to Heaven" for their cause.
I'm all for all of that, but even before any of that, every single church that has tax exempt status should be heavily investigated, and that status pulled with the slightest sign of impropriety, which will be at least 50% of them.
There's a street near my local Walmart, and nearly every house on it is a "church," 23 in all. It's a tax avoidance scam, and it has to end.
I'm with you, but I also want to deactivate those phony churches, and then hit them for years of back taxes.
This same UofA
"The University of Arkansas’ reversal of its offer to hire Emily Suski as its next law school dean has sparked concerns that the decision chills faculty’s free speech.
The university said it was withdrawing the offer after key Republicans raised concerns about Suski’s background and legal positions on transgender athletes."
Don't worry! God will "let there be money" and save the university!
We just need your help to get there. Please send us money so that God will make the money, only then when you have less money will you make more money to be like us, then you'll be able to make money with the money you gave God so that He could make the money.
It's all so simple. You don't want to burn forever in Hell, do you?
God will “let there be money” and save the university!
I mean, I'm confident that another evangelical Arkansas billionaire will step in to fill the hole, on the condition the money is spent to research how many angels can fit on the head of a pin (and they get a kick-back from the state for their philanthropy).
You don’t want to burn forever in Hell, do you?
Easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle, etc, etc.
As soon as that dumbass announced that she was running for governor, I left the state. I now live in a blue state and enjoy life more. There's no way in hell I'm ever going back.
Good. That woman looks like a roadkilled possum and no reasonable person wants to be ruled by a Huckabee.
I'm in a purple state. It's strange that things are going so well and the red staters are on their own forums complaining about never becoming red again.
Everybody needs to grow the f****** really quick.
The Arkansas Oblast will soon create the fucknut Christian version of the 1979 Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
will soon create
How many ICE platoons has Arkansas already produced?
I always have one question when I see this. Which version of The ten commandments?
We all know the answer but the fact that there's several versions...
Which version of The ten commandments?
In Texas, at least, we have a legislatively defined instance.
The text of the poster or framed copy of the Ten Commandments described by Subsection (a) must read as follows:
The Ten Commandments
I AM the LORD thy God.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbor ’s."
Okay, real talk, besides the "worship God alone" part and observing the Sabbath, which part of the Ten Commandments do you disagree with? I think they pretty much stand by themselves, right?
Do you think this is about people disagreeing with their contents? That seems like a strawman. People disagree with one specific religion's doctrine being forced onto students.
But, since you asked, I could definitely do without these:
- I am the Lord thy God. Thou shall not have strange gods before Me.
- Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
- Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
- Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife. (seems a bit male-focused)
Not only male focused, but also considers the wife a property of the husband.
I wouldn't say so. If it said instead "the spouse of your neighbor" it wouldn't consider the spouse a property of the other spouse. X of Y doesn't mean X is the property of Y. "Of" is just not a precise word.
Yes, if it said something different I would understand something different. I don't know how to day this without sounding like an ass, but that's what reading comprehension is for.
Oh, I just meant to talk about the TC by themselves, I'm sorry if I came across as if I were arguing about something else sneakily. Trust me, I wasn't. And I mean, you don't disagree with the last one, you just think it should be expanded, which is a reasonable suggestion. That's nice.
Okay real talk, you can't just "besides" the parts which make all nonAbrahamic religions, nature worship and atheism anathema, especially when you're forcing it upon children in school. And especially when those doing so have proven those are the only bits they follow and intend to enforce.
I can when talking to atheists, what else can I do? Evidently you disagree with the notion of a Creator, why would I ask about that? And of course many of those who claim to be this or that are just unrepentant, amoral cunts who only believe might makes right (if I can and I want to, I will, should doesn't register). People lie. 🤷😞
Are they The Ten Commandments or not?
All the others boil down to The Golden Rule. You don't need ten, or seven. Jesus explained that, but it existed before religion and doesn't require belief in a deity.
Of course they are, but what's the purpose in asking atheists whether they agree on anything strictly related to God? They deny His existence, the conversation wouldn't be fruitful. And of course these moral stances are objectively true (the West is postmodern and doesn't believe in objectively true anything on average but perhaps you're different and see this for what it is), and don't require belief in God for them to be true... but believing in God and the Day of Judgement, having it in your mind 24/7, will help you choose virtue when it doesn't feel convenient and your whims and greed scream against being righteous.
The first one can be derived from the "thou shalt not lust over your neighbours' wife", it's in the same vein, and likewise with not owning humans and "thou shalt not kill"... but I didn't ask what wasn't included in the TC, but what you disagree with in it. Your additions are very good though!
That's one hell of a stretch, pardon the phrasing. Gravin images is another great example, not only do many people ignore this don't own people etc would be a better use of space.
It kind of is in a way, ngl, but if we understand death as the greatest of harms and lower levels are still on the same frequency, just not on the same intensity, then something as restrictive as slavery (death being the more restrictive) should also be avoided, right? And what's Gavin images?
I disagree with the condescending nature of them as a whole - humanity knew it was bad to kill and rape before christianity. I don't need 15 commandments written by man, masquerading as the word of the creator of the universe, to teach me how to behave. Wait did I say 15?
He is the best!
First of all, this is Abrahamic/Mosaic Judaism, it's pure, ancient monotheism, not Christianity, and there's a difference. But more importantly, it's not condescending, it's just a baseline moral framework, one that had to be ignored throughout history for there to be such things as the Dutch East India Company, King Leopold's Congo, America as we know it, among others. You can't tell me people follow it over there in Burgerland, right? Maybe a minority composed of people who truly fear God's judgment and atheist leftists with clear hearts and minds, and that's it. So no, even today, in many places in the world these very simple moral stances are not believed in and integrated into people's ideologies.
God came down and delivered a perfect framework but everything is still broken? huh? I don't get your argument here.
My man, did you forget about free will? 🤣
Sure, if we were automatons this would've been an easy fix, but we're not, that's not how God made us. Of course, having this in mind will help you better conduct yourself, but first you have to believe in it and how many don't?
Even the least moronic commandment, the one against killing, is literally wrong.
Killing innocents should be prohibited, not killing generally or in self-defense. The rest is even sillier. Stuff about worshipping and graven images.
Religion makes it impossible for me to take humanity seriously.
I'm sure that's understood by anyone who's not in a coma and the silly one here is you. Again, if these basic sentences were part of people's ideology in the West, we wouldn't have Western imperialism (for example), and you're here arguing against it? 🙄
I am the Lord thy God. Thou shall not have strange gods before Me.
I’m atheist, so this does not apply.
Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Again.
Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
And again.
Honor thy father and mother.
Nice, but hardly something we should legislate.
Thou shall not kill.
Duh.
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Again, not something we should legislate.
Thou shall not steal.
Has merit.
Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
If extrapolate this to mean not to lie in general, then it’s good practice for life.
Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.
We’ve already covered stealing, so I imagine these are about jealously. Hardly the responsibility of the state to legislate.
So, at best I agree with 25% of the Ten Commandments, hardly a “universal code” of morality. Missing rape and slavery, pretty big omissions of you ask me.
Personally, I don't think it's about jealousy but about greed overall, and how that might convince you to forcefully take things, lives and freedom. And whether there's punishment by society or not (legislation), you believe these stances are right, disagreeing only with the ones that concern faith and rite (the Sabbath). That's nice.
Maybe instead of arguing with atheists who aren't doing anything wrong, you should focus on the "Christian" politicians promoting the 10 commandments while actively breaking them.
They're too far gone, they left their values behind if they ever had any to be part of the empire's power structure. At least atheists online stand by what they believe in, they're more intellectually honest (and overall as well).
I'm NGL, I've been a bad lemming: I just wanted to talk about the TC... I know, especially now in Burgerland, Christian Fascism is rising, I didn't mean to make it seem like I support that Godless nonsense.
You literally answer your own questions with your denigrating comments.
But to answer you, here are a few bullet points:
My favorite take is Frederick Douglass's characterization about "American Christianity". It is all about hypocrisy and it mostly stems from the white south and their justification for slavery.
There are plenty of solid, "good" christian based practices, but there are also way too many bad faith ones.
USA has a Constitutional amendment about this, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." by posting the TC in schools, this is ridiculously close to just that.
You want this argument to be about whether or not people believe in God or the TC, but it's really about separation of church and state.
What did Christ say when asked which was the greatest commandment? Yeah, he didn't even respond with any of the original ten.
You know what should be posted in the classroom? The "All I really need to know I learned in kindergarten." poster. That is a better summation of Christ's response than the TC.
The TC in schools is a dog whistle issue meant to make dumbass christians, like yourself, argue "Whats so wrong about the TC?", instead of focusing on real issues.
I grew up in a very christian, faith based household. The church we belonged to was very kind, supportive of its members, and urged commitment and sacrifice to better the community. I would consider it a strong contender for what Christ intended. But even with that framework growing up, I realized this, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it: the complete and utter bullshit the bible is. It is nothing more than a bunch of stories curated to control the moronic sheep that fear death. It was supported by the ruling classes because it helped support their claims and created this fantasy for the proletariat to feel better about and accept their plight.
Religious choice should be a personal, private relationship each person has with God. Not a tool used to force all of society to bow to your own beliefs.
I agree with pretty much all of your points, especially the ones regarding American politics. But the Bible is a collection of books, none of them claiming to be the actual word of God but with authors (who declare themselves from the get go, usually, like in Ecclesiastes)... I think the only thing given divine origin is actually the TC? There's a lot of wisdom therein, and also a lot of nonsense made my men in power to keep their power and excuse their excesses, that's obvious. And in both the OG books and the NT, Paulian letters being the main example of NT nonsense (faith without works? That's just hypocrisy, lol). Only someone who's not read the Bible would say it's the word of God, anyone who has would say it's the word of nameless authors, and then David, Solomon, there's the apostles in there too and also Paul.
And a society should still have a baseline ideology with a moral framework in it which should be inculcated in everyone since they're young, else you have amoral beasts, hedonists, roaming around and no social cohesion besides meaningless things that can be used against you like race, for example. Religion in America, and Christianity in many places, is completely disconnected from morality, when the religion of Moses is, evidently, a religion of moral duty since the one thing God truly communicated was that! You can just confess, or trust the "grace" that comes from believing a man is a deity, or give money to your local megachurch pastor and you're good! Nevermind God and his judgement, we can trick him! Lol. If you're left with a nasty aftertaste from being and seeing what "religious" means in America, I understand, but know that, just like your for-profit prisons, police/school shootings and ICE, they are (at least to the degree they've been taken to) pretty much just American issues..
Here are the 10 commandments:
- You shall have no other gods before me.
- You shall make no idols.
- You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
- Keep the Sabbath day holy.
- Honor your father and your mother.
- You shall not murder.
- You shall not commit adultery.
- You shall not steal.
- You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- You shall not covet.
1-4 are obviously worthless for non-Christians. 5 sounds good on paper, but there are a whole lot of parents that do a lot of harm to their children, so I don't think it's a great blanket rule
6-10 are solid, although I'd argue 10 is a bit redundant. The main issue with coveting is it can lead to 6-9. I'll give it though since I vetoed 5
5/10 on the 10 commandments. That's 50%, which is a failing grade
All that being said, I don't actually have anything against it as a concept, same as I have nothing against Mormons not drinking alcohol, or Muslims not eating pork. In all cases though, I have a problem with the government promoting the idea using tax payer funds
This seems like the only genuine reply to the question tbh. Most others comment something like "Well so many Christians do X or Y", but that's not the commandments' fault.
I think we should all strive to live by 5-10. Except of course if your parents are horrible, then that one shouldn't apply. But then 6, 8, 9 are all basically laws in most places already
Fair enough and fair reply. Thank you! 👍🙏
I think the Qur'an should be made a mandatory reading everywhere. 🤷
Alongside random restaurant menus and printer manuals.
I wouldn't mind it if they snuck a verse here and there in restaurant menus, lol.
It's not about anyone agrees it but with the commandments it's about separation of church and state, will you agree if they post the Delphic Maxims or the Hindi yamas instead?
It all depends on what they say. At some point it's just cultural education, I guess.
It's the same, people attending the schools might not know what the ten commandments say or maybe they don't agree with them, so no one should force one set of commandments over others.
Wow. You're like a Jehovah's witness, but online! Let me take a crack at this one.
Your ten commandments tell you: "Thou shall not kill", but not: "Thou shall not murder". Leaving you Christian weirdos free reign to murder people in random wars in a way that seems totally justified to you mentally.
You ten commandments tell you to not "take the Lord's name in vain", but I see Christians everyday advocating for Jesus deporting and killing and locking up "the least of these" for no other reason than the color of their skin. Read Matthew 25:40-45 to hear about what Jesus actually wants us to do to help the poor and unfortunate around us!
Your antiquated religion makes not sense, and forcing it down other people throats just makes others more bitter and frustrated to have to hang out in the same general area as you. Either stfu or adapt to the world where Christians preach about the ten commandments, but refuse to follow any of them.
Your ten commandments tell you: “Thou shall not kill”, but not: “Thou shall not murder”
This one feels a bit unfair because the commandments would have been written in Hebrew, so the semantic difference is lost in translation
Your complaints about how Christians act is valid, although I would say they do that in spite of the 10 commandments. Turns out a lot of them are just shitty people
And before someone thinks I'm proselytizing, I made a separate comment giving the 10 commandments a failing grade as a source of ethics
"Real talk"? This is seagulling and you know it. The posting of the commandments carries over the baggage of region in general, and Christianity in particular.
Not to mention they are in direct opposition of some of the rules of conduct of the university and civilized society (freedom of religion).
I didn't and I just learned the term. Again, I just wanted to discuss the TC in a vacuum, I know people are hypocrites and many Christians are the biggest ones, DW.
To try to discuss the 10 commandments without the rest of the Bible and history of Christianity is like talking about Jeffrey Dahmer without talking about the killings and cannibalism.
Specially when you start by dropping 20% because they are just absurd.
They're not absurd, I'm just on l/atheism, what would be the point? And no, I don't see that. The Bible is a collection of books with many many authors and much of it is pure garbage, it's by definition and self admission not "the word of God". Christianity is a state religion with Paulian nonsense that separates morals and belief, or belief and action, and that's by now a core Western take. The Romans edited and imposed the Bible kinda like how Americans could edit and impose some "Nu Islam" in Palestine, lol. Crusaders invaded the lands of Jesus and the prophets like Rome did before but this time they said "God wills it" the same way America has had many incursions in the Middle East to "save us from the terrorists, and also God wills it", but none of these people believe in the laws of God, they worship Khorne in reality. So, no, Christianity doesn't mean that Mosaic law is nonsense, much of the sadness in the world comes from not following it and the stances that could be derived from them. 🤷
Was this comment made in good faith?
Of course it was, but it was also disconnected from the larger context of OP. 🤷
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Gotta do my rounds. 🤣
All of it. The entire thing is complete garbage.
You already acknowledge that commandments 1-4 are things with which non-Christians in general strongly disagree.
5 - What if your father was Josef Mengele? The silence of his son is what allowed him to successfully hide in South America. Was that a good thing? Did he deserve any honor?
6 is written by the state of Texas as "Thou shall not kill." Is killing in self defense wrong? If someone broke into your house with assault rifles and the intention of killing your children, would it be wrong to shoot at them to stop them? If a fighter jet was coming to bomb your city with a nuke, but you were able to intercept it with a missile, killing the pilot in the process, would that be wrong?
7 - In the context of the Bible, "adultery" can mean not only cheating, but also any sex outside of marriage. Tons of people do not see anything wrong with consensual sex outside of marriage.
8 - What is considered stealing? Is copying that floppy stealing? If a starving homeless orphan steals a loaf of bread from a billionaire to survive another day, is that wrong? A state may define theft however it wants. Personally, I consider the mere existence of private property as theft.
9 - If it was WW2 and Nazi officials came to your house asking if you had seen any Jews, would it be morally wrong to lie to them if you knew about some hiding in your attic?
10 - Is it wrong for workers to desire the means of production?
Every single one of the 10 commandments throws away the nuance of defining morality through critical thinking. As such, I would argue that it is incredibly immoral to follow any one of them.
Any non theist will not make sense of the first few Commandments, of course. And I don't think you understand what a "moral baseline" is, you can't deny filial love and responsibility because sometimes you end up with Josef Mengele as a dad, lol, you just understand that these are ideals to keep in mind that can be used for every occasion except minor cases. It's wrong to go around killing people, but what about self defense? It's wrong to be dishonest, but what if someone comes into your house and asks where your kids are cause they're gonna kidnap them? I can do this too, see, but it doesn't deny nor take away any value from the moral baseline.
The problem arises when you have no North, everything is arguable and an opinion, and one's sense is equal to another senselessness because there's history and herstory or whatever other silly ways of saying "reality (moral reality included) is a matter of perspective, nothing is fundamentally true". Then people just get lost.
Nobody is lost. People lead lives that make sense to them. It's not your job or any government's job to impose your beliefs onto others. Because we have different philosophies and beliefs, separation of church and state is a thing.
Some people follow the Nobel Eightfold Path. Some follow the Ten Precepts of Taoism. Some follow the Seven Tenants of the Satanic Temple. Some follow the 52 Hukams of Guru Gobind Singh. No matter how strongly you feel about your beliefs, nothing makes them any more special than the beliefs of other people. They feel just as strongly about theirs. People having different norths as you call it isn't a bad thing. That's called diversity. There's only a problem when people are bigots that don't accept others for who they are and feel the need to "fix" them. Whether it's militant Christianity or militant atheism, we don't need that. Keep it to yourself. Countless societies have flourished without your 10 commandments.
It's not a feeling, I got to monotheism through textual analysis and thought. Things simply are more consistent with a framework that accepts a sole mind behind it all, a Creator. I admit I could be mistaken but this is something that other people with beliefs and I could discuss, and in earnest and good faith see which is more internally consistent and fitting reality than the others, right? They can be ranked from more sensible and fitting to less, right? Because no, not everything is "equally as valid", that's some Western postmodernist nonsense that ends up with people being confused, intellectually lazy and panicky fence sitters. Tolerance doesn't mean "your nonsense is equal to my sense", it means "I won't kill you for being a commie/brown", for instance (again, neither Christianity [because the message of Jesus is buried under nonsense that people actually believe in] nor Enlightenment values helped that but whatever). My book says that "to you your system and to me mine", but I still believe mine is better, ofc, my sense is not equal to nonsense or absence.
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- Debunking Christianity
- Godless Mom
- Atheist Freethinkers
Mainstream
Bibliography
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- God is Not Great (Hitchens)
- The God Delusion (Dawkins)
- The End of Faith (Harris)
- Why I Am Not a Christian (Russell)
- Letter to a Christian Nation (Harris)
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