The Actual Gavin Newsom Is Much Worse Than You Think
8 months ago by return2ozma to c/politics
That's a ridiculously low bar, but it's also an important distinction.
Do I want Gavin Newsom to be the Democrat nominee for 2028? Hell no! He's revealed himself to be a shallow political opportunist and an ideological chameleon. And I think that party can do better.
But regardless, would he be an improvement over Trump? Hell yes!
Another question is: is he - a supposedly populist liberal from California - even electable on a national stage? I don't think so. But then, we live in very 'interesting' times. So who knows.
The third question is: will we have a fair enough election in 2028 (or an election at all)? That remains to be seen.
See this I feel. These articles annoy me because it feels like the dem bad thing but yeah if your talking canidate heck I would love waltz. him being put on as vice president was the main thing that jazzed me a bit with harris. Honestly I did not want my own govenor to run because our state has been such a trump show in the past and its nice being on track for awhile but man we need something decent in the role. I really don't know enough about newsom to say for sure but he certiainly does not have much going for him outside of using social media to combat trump which is good idea overall. Still unlike republicans I am going to be voting based on someone who I think can actually do a good job in the role rather than score some points.
These do annoy me. Of course Newsom is not the best candidate but they are distracting everyone from how much better that would be than the current shitshow
And I have to ask y’all, are we really going to an insists on an ideal candidate regardless whether they are electable?
I have no idea whether Newsom is but he has name recognition, presidential presence, and a successful “populist” strategy. He has successfully positioned himself as a leading foil of Trump. All that stuff that seem necessary for getting elected even if they have no part in whether they would do well for their constituents. …. And they’re building a train!
I do always wonder if this is just republicans trying to astroturf “both sides the same”.
I think there's this assumption that the more centrist a dem is, the more electable they are and that may have been true decades ago. Now though? With how polarized the electorate is, people either vote for their party's candidate or the couch. Trump got roughly the same number of votes in 2024 (77M) as 2020( 74M) maybe he changed some minds; but Harris got 7M fewer votes than biden (81->74). People stayed home. "Not trump" wasn't enough to get excited about for enough folks, and that's about all Newsom has to offer
I genuinely believe Bernie is more electable than Newsom. We should give voters some credit
I mean when it comes to primaries I do not vote on electability. I think that is how we get the democrats we have now. Come general though im not going to be supporting the republican by voting for them or not voting. Bernie was the supposed unelectable canidate and I voted for him but come the general I voted for clinton.
Put it this way, us overseas would rather see Newsom in charge of it than Trump.
That’s way better for us.
Me too, but anyone who doesn’t threaten the sovereignty of other countries and respects some form of order is good for us.
Edit: Vance would last a month and no, if he could get full influence he might be as bad or worse than Trump.
100% with you, I don’t love Newsom. Personally I’d be interested in an AOC run but that’s maybe a bit dreamer of me.
As compared to some of the other candidates that might have run if the Democratic Primary were an actual primary and not a coronation.
The last time Democrats ran an actual primary ws 2008, when a young, generational candidate beat out the (kinda boring) establishment choice. Democrats learned their lesson to never let something encouraging like that happen again!
Gavin's gonna win the Primary, as his right as the Next One Up, and we're all gonna vote for him, because as awful as he is, he is objectively better than whoever the MAGA party will run.
And this is the exact attitude why nothing will ever change in this country. You can't keep voting in people hellbent on maintaining the hegemony capital has over everyone and expect anything to get better for you.
In the history of Democratic party, there was exactly one time where the candidate that the DNC chose, actually lost a popular vote. Exactly one.
It was in 2008, when a young, generational candidate actually lost the popular vote by 1% to the (kinda boring) establishment choice, but was chosen anyway.
It's nice to have this simplistic worldview, when "they" control everything anyway so you don't have to do anything and just complain when "they" don't do what you want. It's harder to confront the reality when "they" actually consist of all the people around you, and the only reason you don't get what you want is because you don't do shit.
Nice try, but the popular vote doesn't mean anything in primaries, because the elections are held over a period of time and many candidates drop out mid-way through, so we will never know how many Joe Biden or John Edwards voters would have voted for Obama over Clinton. Clinton did not win a majority of votes, after all.
Obama won a majority of pledged delegates, even before taking the undemocratic Super Delegates into account, and it's delegates that count.
Democrats don't need to mess with the counting of votes to "fix" primaries. They do it the old fashioned way, by manipulating the primary calendar to make certain candidates inevitable.
Primaries need to be on one fucking day across the nation.
Make it ranked choice or some other system that works properly with more than 2 candidates while we're at it.
Popular vote reflects how people who actually vote think. Candidates aren't appearing out of thin air, they're nominated as the result of political campaigns.
You can't shift the blame for candidates to ambiguous "them" if you didn't get your ass to try to affect it in any way. The delegates represent pretty nicely the opinion of people who actually vote in Primaries, with almost perfect track record. They don't represent your opinion because you don't vote therefore don't have an opinion. So you don't get to complain about what party that you're not in is doing. Want it to change? Use the ways to change it. Those ways aren't hidden from you, aren't secret, aren't gatekeeped by a shadow cabal, you just need to do politics about it. People who get their candidates elected do that.
So more of that lesser evil bullshit that's given us trump and helped shift the entire DNC to the right?
And Bush Jr 2nd term. Possibly first term
If you want to know what the flat comparison should be, it’s AOC. She is, in reality, a centrist.
Now go again with the comparison.
I’d def take AOC over probably anyone else tbh. I don’t like Newsom but I do enjoy the way he trolls Trump all the time.
Exactly. I don't think anyone is putting him on a pedestal, he's just better than a lot of alternatives. I'm not saying that's a reason to vote for him, but he's miles better than literally in the current administration.
There’s an argument that most of the stuff done in trumps name would be “ok” if he did it legally and that’s what people wanted. It’s the abuse of authority, the personal enrichment, violating the constitution, holding people above the law, enforcing personal feelings, violating checks and balances that are the critical issues.
I wouldn’t want to live in such a society but it would at least be “legitimate”
They're not the only options, stop framing it that way. That's how the shitty billionaires keep winning, by forcing that narrative
Okay? So what just don’t vote? Ignore the system? Become a politician myself and run for president? Seriously, what are my many options you speak of?
Primaries haven't happened yet. He hasn't even officially announced.
Your options are: to stop talking like it's going to be PEDOnald/Couchfucker vs Newsom.
This isn't that conplicated. Holy shit.
I don’t see how I’ve talked like that but okay.
You never learn.
You mean the serial adulterer who can't read and whose entire life has been sponsored by a Getty oil heir isn't a good candidate for president of the United States? Shocked.
I mean, in addition to what everyone else said, disabilities can in fact disqualify you from being a good president.
If someone is non-verbally autistic with an ID diagnosis, it's not ableist to say they aren't a good candidate to be president.
Obviously this is a spectrum, and ADHD shouldn't be, on its face, disqualifying. But if it's so bad you're literally illiterate, then it's no ableist to say that makes you a bad candidate to be president.
Eh... Context is important. I think if he had overcome his disability and managed to power through it to achieve a decent education that would actually be a plus.
Instead he has a bachelor's from an expensive private school where he "studied" abroad. I think it's just indicative of his history of being able to rely on connections and money to achieve his position in life. And it makes me doubt that he is educated enough or willing to work hard enough to learn all the things someone should know to be president of the United States.
As someone who has a neurodevelopmental disorder, my problem isn't that he has a learning disability. It's that he's a rich fuck boy with a learning disability, which is a powerful combo. I know if I had a friend who just gifted me multi-million dollar businesses that allowed me to do whatever I wanted.....I would be an idiotic terror.
I tutor, and I’ve ran into lots of rich boys with disabilities who learn that they can get their parents to pay for their homework to be done for them (or the mom does it herself…). Fired a client because he had too much of a “reading disability” to do the required reading for the paper we were writing - previous tutors would write his papers for him!
Yep. I have a position at a teaching hospital where we teach residents from all over the country. The ones from pay to play private schools are always subpar both in their education and especially in people skills. Most of them drop, or pivot to administration positions where they don't have to associate with everyday people.
I think it's pertinent to the conversation, the leader of the country should be well read. We can currently see what happens when they are not.
ADHD has no impact on reading ability.
If he has reading problems, it's due to something else.
Newsom says he’s eager to pitch a big tent for the Democratic Party, declaring that he welcomes the likes of former US senator Joe Manchin as well as New York’s socialist mayor Zohran Mamdani in the fold. “I want it to be the Manchin to Mamdani party,” Newsom said in November.
Newsom can fuck right the hell off. Manchin represents everything that is wrong with the Democratic party and so, apparently, does Newsom.
declaring that he welcomes the likes of former US senator Joe Manchin
Turn our backs and give them extra knives, huh gav?
I hate to admit this, but I used to listen to the Adam Corolla podcast years ago, and he had Newsom on as a guest when he was lieutenant governor of California. At the time, he claimed that the biggest issue facing Californians was being unbanked. Like payday loan companies were the worst threat.
Newsom was Lt. Governor of CA from 2011-2019. I am not Californian, and I don't know what they're dealing with outside of the seemingly-constant wildfires, and those seem pretty fucking bad, and I'm sure there are some other pretty terrible things Californians have to deal with, too.
That said, payday loan companies deserve to get spit-roasted by the Devil and the Devil's angriest pet donkey in the deepest bowels of Hell.
As a Californian, the state is absolutely huge and I have never been affected by any of the wildfires and frankly I doubt more than 1% of the population has even been affected directly by the fires. It's a completely overblown issue. Does it suck? Yes. Does the media make it seem the entire state is on fire 24/7? Yeah. Don't believe the media.
The real issues Californians face are:
- Housing/Zoning/NIMBYs
- Public transportation
- ISP services(or lack thereof)
- Huge population(traffic, cars, etc), of course some areas are worse than others
We do have pretty cheap groceries as long as you don't shop at Target or Pavilions. Costco, WinCo, Aldi's, etc. all have great pricing compared to other posts I see from around the country. Same goes for gas. Costco is around $3.50-$4.00 a gallon(for 87) for the past couple years. But the Chevron or Shell down the street is $4.50-$5 a gallon.
Taxes are also overblown. Everyone looks at our marginal rates and go "so high!" but never calculate what their effective rate is, which is usually much lower.
And then people love to bring up "the homeless" like there's a camp on every street corner. Like yeah, maybe in LA. But for my city I have only seen the occasional pan handler on the freeway off ramps, which I doubt are even homeless since I've seen at least one leave their corner and go to their SUV in the nearby parking lot and drive away at the end of the day, like it's a job for them.
We have our issues, the state is far from perfect, but I'd rather be here in Cali than any other state at this point.
Housing/Zoning/NIMBYs
You'd love Houston then.
A few years back the Boston globe did an expose on panhandlers and yeah, there are scammers and you need to recognize them but most people in need are truly people in need.
My take on it was that aggressive panhandlers in prime locations (major tourist spots, intersections with chronic backups) are most likely scammers. People sitting quietly looking defeated are in need. The hard part is deciding whether/how to help all those in between, but it’s good to remember that most people who look homeless are homeless
Then there’s that weird guy who approached to talk about his knife, probably to try to steal my dog while technically not threatening - I so regret not calling police
Hopefully, we get AOC as the front runner. I am sick of the Democratic establishment.
Nah, MAGA won once in 2016, with Russian interference, but they only prevailed in 2024 because they openly cheated, with the help of Musk and Putin, and the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries covered for them.
Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024. They would have lost in 2020 if it weren't for covid.
They openly stole it in 2024, and they told us they were doing it the entire time they were doing it. They didn't even try to hide it. MAGAs and Dems chose to ignore it "for the good of the country," or some such happy horseshit, and here we fucking are.
and the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries covered for them.
Not even funny these fucking AIPAC shill clowns, fuck them both.
But give them a third chance. They're going to win this time
Either AOC or John Stewart needs to step the fuck up and save our nation.
Watching how fast he threw the trans community under the bus told me everything I needed to know about him. He has the moral compass of a boiled piece of spaghetti... fuck this corpo dem.
This guy was once married to Kimberly Gilfoyle, who was Don Jr's concubine for a few years, until fairly recently, so that tells me all I have to know about him, or her. He's a Manchurian MAGA.
Wow I didn't know this. This should be talked about more
She got exiled to Greece to be the ambassador, and shut her up. On one hand, she's out of the inner circle, so it's a huge step down, socially, but on the other hand, she's an AMBASSADOR - la dee dah! - and not just and ambassador of some off-brand country, she's the ambassador of Greece, which is...um...a country people have heard of. Beautiful, they say.
Anyway, she's way over there.
What, this guy? Surely not.
gavin isn't the greatest but he was just following state law
Parker Molloy @parkermolloy.com rubs temples
As I've spent the better part of the day explaining why I don't think Newsom should be the Democratic nominee for president, it pains me to "defend" this, but...
The governor of California is legally obligated to proclaim each Feb 6 Reagan Day per a 2010 state law.
You’re saying that elected officials in the USA are subject to laws?
I got bad news for you... Also the person dnc/dems elected to give the state of the union rebuttal did nothing but say we should go back to Reagan times so really shows how much the dems are gonna fight
He's the better choice strategically.
And looks like one too.
Same character. One is bald
While you do that AIPAC is ensuring that your 2028 option will be Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or someone else they hand pick. That way they win no matter what happens and Americans remain pay pigs for genocide.
The fascists are winning because they aren’t normal establishment politicians, at least to the uninformed. They are “different” and that is what people want, anything other than the status quo. It’s how fascists have always gained power. They exist, because otherwise there is functionally a vacuum, a government that ignores people’s demands for help.
You don’t hold back fascism. And you certainly don’t hold it back with ineffective “centrism”. You push it back with a greater opposing force. You push it down to the ground. Then you stomp its face in until it is no longer breathing. You pounce on it when it is at its weakest. You kill it. You excise it like the cancer it is. You eliminate it quickly, decisively, permanently. Or you die. Simple as that, man.
Hey, buddy? Shut the fuck up.
The US is in the mess because of worthless people like you who get angry at anyone who hopes for more. People say “hey can we not do better than complete garbage?” and you feel the need to tell them that they’re wrong. Gavin Newsom will not dig you out of the hole you’re in, nor will any other center-right corporate stooge.
I say this with my whole heart: I hate you.
FYI sadly this is an unpopular opinion for users of lemmy world. While they are willing to admit Trump is bad most can't stomach admitting how much the dems have a hand in us getting to this point, let alone how little they care about preventing it or doing anything to improve the situation
It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people.
Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them.
At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more.
Don't forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right
It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward.
How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together.
I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult.
all I'm pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage
Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point.
you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush
vote for Hillary she's the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama
vote for Hillary she's not trump - 2016
primary voters vote for Biden he's the only one who can beat Trump, we can't let Bernie have a shot - 2020
vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again??
It's people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability.
Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again.
You're part of the problem.
We don't need to "baby-steps" this, and to think otherwise is to out yourself as a fool.
Republicans didn't "baby-step" going to Trump. They saw Obama as the antichrist and instead of pussyfooting around trying to play both sides, they went all in on their most radical candidate 3 times. It's working for them specifically because smart people like you keep sucking neoliberal dick.
Stop being a punk. Start fighting back.
Yeah, you're still part of the problem.
This is the exact rhetoric that got us into this mess. It's what won Hillary the nomination and handed the presidency to Donald Trump.
Until people like you learn from your mistakes instead of repeating them, the republican party won't be going away because there will always been an argument that the democrats don't actually care about the working class.
Unfortunately, I expect you to respond as long as I do, so I will have to give you the last word.
Don't take my lack of a response as accepting that you're correct. You're most likely going to peddle some "baby-steps," moderate bullshit while saying that's not what you're doing or that it's the best path forward even though it hasn't been working.
Goodbye.
Best way I've heard to describe him is, "at least he's lawful evil"
Such is the standards of our time, where Law, even an Evil variety, is better than the purely malicious Chaos we have. Mostly because the law is running on the fading fumes of Neutral.
Given a few decades of Newsom, we would have Ronald Reagan Deluxe.
Gavin Newsom has a greater chance of losing to Vance and almost any other democratic candidate.
Libs need to stop falling for the 'leftists want trump to win, see look they wont commit to voting for the Democrats' shtick. They just want to discredit the part of the base that's trying to actually save the party.
Mamdani handed the DNC a win and they fought him the whole way anyhow. Centrists as always act like there’s no alternative between centrism and conservatism even though it’s only and specifically because they systematically attack anyone who actually tries to make things truly better.
It's no act.
They will believe and perpetuate any rhetoric that will stop them, or people richer than them, from paying taxes.
Yea he’s a fascist. That’s why he platforms Nazi’s and Zionists on his podcast and magically lets them persuade him that they are right. It’s also why he vetoes everything that helps the working class. It’s also why he let PG&E get away with murdering 800 Californians and he allows them to raise our rates 6 times a year while they continue to make record shareholder profits. It’s also why why he is fighting the one time 5% billionaire tax proposed by the California legislature as hard as he can. We need an FDR Newsom is an Israeli asset and a closeted republican who’s Gen z handlers make funny tweets.
I've said it before many times on here... I will never vote for Newsom. So I will vote third party or not at all for POTUS. I will vote for the rest of the voting options though.
If you cannot choose between Newsom and Trump, you aren't mentally or emotionally mature enough to vote.
Choosing between Newsom and Trump is like choosing between buying a house outright that is currently on fire vs. buying a house at a 200% interest rate that will be set on fire between 3-5 years from now.
No, it isn't.
One is a Nazi currently burning down all of our Constitutional rights and the other is a guy you don't agree with on some shit.
I'm dead serious: If you can't figure out Trump is a Nazi threat, then yeah, you should probably lose the right to vote...or be in public.
Your right to vote in the United States.
You can vote for:
A Democrat, A Republican, A third-party candidate, An independent candidate, Or you can choose not to vote at all.
You are free to vote for any candidate listed on the ballot.
What if we all wrote in Luigi Mangione?
Then you let Trump win and you might as well just say goodbye to every human right you have.
I find it hard to believe any of you are adults.
Idk, I think he's pretty terrible.
Idk I think he reflects the country pretty well like Trump.
It's cool. The top two candidates for governor in California are both MAGA Republicans. You're gonna get your wish.
Whaaaaaaat? A politician behaving like a political animal? The shock! The scandal!
The reason why Gavin is so popular among Californians is because he's "socially liberal, fiscally conservative."
There are countless liberal fucks in Cali that just want to make sure whoever is in office doesn't raise their taxes. They're the ones who profit off of everything being so expensive, not being able to own anything, etc etc.
His supporters are the same people who voted against Bernie Sanders, twice.
If you see someone supporting him online, know you're dealing with a scammer or a moron.
Democrats lefties are going mange to lose again. Well done! Keep with the purity test see how it’s working.
How about not running a right wing candidate for the supposed left party?
Democrats are completely complicit with what is currently happening. They're literally doing the willy wonka "stop, don't, come back" meme. At this point I'm not convinced people like Newsom will actually do anything to prevent a more competent Trump. They'll celebrate the win, and keep going as if the whole political system hasn't been proven to be held together by pinky swears and unicorns.
Time for the Tankies to form up the circular firing squad
(With enough Putin bots to give it legs)
It's not just tankies, everyone hates Gavin Newsom, he sucks, if he is picked as a nominee it's further proof the democratic establishment hates their base and is throwing the election again. Bluesky is very liberal and not tankie basically at all and even the comments there are nearly entirely shitting on him for his terrible positions and unlikability. https://bsky.app/...
Putin bots made Newsom a terrible piece of shit?
it's the putin bots pointing out how terrible he is! How dare they not let us run him with anyone saying his many many flaws/issues - - dnc
They are the ones finding reasons for people not to vote for democrats
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As compared to what? Is he worse than Trump? I sincerely fucking doubt it.
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