White House circulating blatantly illegal draft emergency order to take control of elections
4 months ago by spaghettiwestern to c/news
A draft emergency executive order to declare a national emergency to allow President Donald Trump to take unprecedented control over voting is being circulated by anti-voting activists who said they are in coordination with the White House.
Voting rights experts, democracy advocates, and at least one state election chief said Trump doesn’t have the authority to claim such powers — and any attempt would be blatantly unconstitutional.
The draft order — which is said to be based on a conspiracy theory that China interfered with the 2020 election — would allow Trump to unilaterally ban mail-in ballots and voting machines on the basis that they are susceptible to foreign interference.
The order comes from MAGA activists who have been coordinating with the White House. One of the advocates for the order is Peter Ticktin, the attorney for Tina Peters, the former GOP Colorado county clerk who is currently serving a nine-year state prison sentence for her role in a 2021 voting system breach, in an attempt to find voter fraud based on election conspiracies.
The Elections Clause of the U.S. Constitution explicitly gives states — not the president — sole authority over elections.
It really is anticlimactic.
We get an honest to god pedo cabal, and a federal powergrab, and the response from factions who dedicated entire lives to warning, as loud as they can shout, about these two exact things is...
"Meh?"
Meanwhile, it seems the world is chanting for the Clintons to burn at the stake; the opposite of what they expected?
I would be so confused if I was QAnon.
This is one of those times I would support another country kidnapping a president just like our government has done...
Freedom of speech is basically not even a thing any more, the chance that someone shows up to my door for saying this is not 0 like it should be.
Its crazy, what these people are allowed to get away with and the fact that the democrats are not saying so every day as loud as they can just like these fools have done constantly in the past... says a lot about the whole situation.
Its frustrating beyond belief and it always seems to be getting worse.
Your country probably has almost or exactly as many deranged morons as we do here with MAGA, per capita. The difference is we've weaponized voter disenfranchisement and bipartisan hackery (crucially including gerrymandering), largely abandoned ethical journalism standards, and never really properly dealt with the aftermath of our civil war, what with shaming our traitors and educating and rebuilding the nation. We were able to get away with all of that because we toot our own horn so hard for so long about being the bastion of democracy, and the world largely agreed with us.
So we still have backwoods y'allQaeda training grounds who vote Trump because anyone with a (D) is the (D)evil, and their vote counts more than someone in an educated area due to the electoral college system.
TL;DR: MAGA isn't special - other countries have AfD, FdI, etc., which are all rising in popularity despite you turning your nose up at us for us being uniquely ridiculous.
Why? If Q was Epstein or Maxwell or Bannon this is about what they were going for. Make a ridiculous conspiracy similar to the real one, if anyone looks into it it's all dead ends and if anything from the real conspiracy leaks it will sound like the crazy bullshit you made up. Lump it all in with flat earth and lizard people. People will be very hesitant to be fooled again and they can call it all a hoax on the news.
It's the UFO playbook.
Exactly how he was installed as tyrant in the first place.
Good point. Issue isn’t with him taking over blue states. It’ll be with him doing this in red states preventing representation of for blue districts. We’ll see Atlanta with 0 democrats elected.
anti-voting activists
Fascists. Call them by their name.
Nani? Where did you read that? Feddit.org's weekly zionazi newsletter?
This is my hard limit of taking up arms. IDK about you guys but I think bypassing an election to steal a third or more terms is blatant tyranny and should kick off a revolution.
Seriously though, if this doesn't get a lot of people up in arms, nothing will improve for generations. If people accept tyranny, they will continue to get tyranny. Simple as.
I feel like it is hard to synchronize. I want to do this but cannot solo
Okay, so they have at least 9 more months of free reign and they're already disappearing citizens to concentration camps. Or considering you're talking about a third term, maybe 21 months?
Don't get me wrong, good that you have some standards, but maybe you want to win? Just a thought.
I don't see you firing the first shot.
as long as there are no checks and balances, as long as no one exists with the will and sense of duty to do their job, there is no distinction between legal and illegal.
You mean the same system that protects us from the corpotocracy that rape and eats out babies? I'm sure they'll get it eight this time...
The Elections Clause of the U.S. Constitution explicitly gives states — not the president — sole authority over elections.
For this very fucking reason.
The 6 corrupt Supreme Court justices have shown that waving a copy of the Constitution lightly over their rulings is close enough for them. They've made it very clear that states have no real authority over elections by forcing them to include Trump on their ballots after he clearly incited an insurrection.
Our laws and Constitution are meaningless with this Supreme Court.
The Constitution is as strong as the paper it’s written on.
As OP stated. SCOTUS is captured by a complicit majority that wants a right wing theocracy.
The draft order [...] would allow Trump to unilaterally ban mail-in ballots and voting machines
The fucking headline even said it was illegal. It wouldn't "allow" him to do shit.
It would be him CLAIMING he has some power that he doesn't have. And EACH AND EVERY STATE needs to just fucking ignore it, run their elections as they are the sole arbitrators of elections according the the constitution.
It's not even a fucking presidential election. IT DOESNT TOUCH THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, and therefore EXECUTIVE orders are even more absurd.
You say this like the 100 prior absurd things that have happened shouldn't have occurred because we have a stable, sane system with checks and balances; but we don't. So people that are complicit, or scared, or both are complying with demands that are not technically enforceable. I could see this as one of those orders that red states would gladly comply with.
Oh, I know. I'm screaming into the wind here. Letting my frustration out at, well, everything.
Blue states would likely ignore it, but red states would happily accept their marching orders.
please, we prefer to call ourselves "Anti-democracy Activists" these days
Sparkling authoritarians.
The Nazis were elected
And who the fuck is going to stop him? He's been doing shit that's unconstitutional this whole time. He's going to rig the election and have a third term, and all our politicians will do is write strongly worded letters.
If it makes you feel any better, an EO like that needs people on the ground to enforce it. Even his thug army, ICE, doesn't have the man power to control every polling station.
What will happen is that duly elected representatives and senators will show up and they'll refuse to seat them. At that point, there's nothing left of a real government and shit will really pop off.
Nothing popped off for the time they didn't swear in Adelita Grijalva. What makes you think it will if that happens for someone else?
Because it's going to be far more than one person. And, if the universe obliges, Dems will be voted to control the Senate.
Attempting to subvert that will remove any restraint because there's nothing left that can stop this. Except a military coup, I guess, but that's a different kind of emergency.
Because it’s going to it might be far more than one person.
Fixed that for you.
How many? 2? 5? Will that number be over the line in the sand for enough Americans to Do Something™?
Obviously we'll probably see shortly, but my suspicion is we'll mostly hold up some signs in the street or in Congress, complain on social media that nobody is doing anything, and move on with our paycheck-to-paycheck existence.
We are an inherently selfish people; few of us will risk our necks for others.
He doesn't need to control every polling station. He doesn't even need to control half. He only needs to control enough blues to as to make a point.
And what will happen next is that either someone in the USA Luigis him, or he will Luigi the USA.
Until people like you are thinking "It's gonna have to be me" then the situation will not likely improve.
That wasnt very specific. :(
Do you mean "it's gonna have to be me" like that guy who tried to sneak into Mara a Lago and was shot by the secret service? Or maybe that guy who missed his shot?
Or do you mean that me specifically is going to have to rally people in my neighborhood, then my city, my state, and then most of the country to physically resist and arrest our leaders and have them stand trial for their crimes while having the bravery to leave your wife and kids behind to potentially die trying seems a little beyond my scope to be honest.
Well, I think you’re saying those are things that you can’t do. And thats fine, but a lot if poeple need to take ownership of what they can do and figure out how to cooperate appropriately to get some things done.
New leaders need to emerge thats true, but they will need support as well in various ways.
But all those people will all have to take ownership for making this stop and figure out how to fight back.
I get safety/security is a concern, but things are in a circumstance now where you will probably get fucked either way.
As long as everyone keeps waiting for someone else to do something real, youre all screwed.
A bit off the mark there orioler25, what do you suggest we do?
The continued impotence of the American people will never cease to astonish me.
If Trump successfully fixes this election...
A lot of Americans wouldn't only tolerate Trump fixing the election, they'd support it. Celebrate it, even.
Much of the rest of America doesn't fully appreciate the threat. Many are just oblivious, but others are complacently holding on to their faith in our legal and political institutions. They believe in our system, and they believe it will ultimately hold up against the threat of a fascist takeover. I hope they're right, but I don't share their conviction. I think our institutions are far more vulnerable than many of them realize. Frankly, I think they're unwavering devotion borders on hubris.
And my concerns about the integrity of our system are not baseless. I have seen our systems tested multiple times over the past few decades, essentially my entire adult life, and I would say the resiliency of our system has been... mixed, at best.
What do you mean? We have infinite money, don’t you remember that glitch? 1970s crisis, we just printed our way out. 2000 dot-com bubble, printed our way out. 2008 housing crisis, then COVID, … guess what we did both times. We just print our way out of our problems; problem solved.
If Trump destroys us, we’ll just print little Trump Cash cards on the back of freshly synthesized plastic cutouts made from the byproduct of his glorified coal companies running on the blood, sweat, and tears of our children.
We just print our way out of our problems; problem solved.
Emission of currency is a valid tool against crises. The institution that can do it possesses power that needs to be controlled, yes.
“Anti-voting activists”. How absurd
here in italy there was a referendum about increasing workers' rights but all the right wingers siad that voitng is for communists who eat babies and that if you vote you vote you want the shadow elite governmetn to eradicate all the italian culture to replace it with a muslim califfate and remove the existencve of christianity from the history of humanity, but now that we're about to vote for the government-supported judiciary reform that will give the governmetn direcet control over the election of the judges, all right wingers are rushing to vote
that will give the governmetn direcet control over the election of the judges
Weird, in Belgium a similar law was struck down by the constitutional court the other day. Hearing this from Italy, I can't help but think this is being orchestrated on a higher level.
It is part of project 2025. Fratelli d'Italia (the party of Giorgia Meloni, the Italian prime minister) and the republican party are very tight with each other. So much that Giorgia Meloni herself participates republican rallies and conventions sometimes so I wouldn't be surprised if they're following the diktats of the republican party or any foreign imposed authoritarian agenda
ahhh now my penny drops. They are in the ECR fraction in the European Parliament, same fraction as NVA, the party of Belgium's prime minister, and also the minister of defense who's a vocal Trump supporter, still. It makes sense now. An orchestrated effort indeed. Starving the beast in Belgium, stripping social security, increased subsidies to billionaires, it's all in that playbook I guess. And the silly social-democrats in governemnt yelling 'without us it would be worse' lol. All goddamn bastards.
I can't help but think this is being orchestrated on a higher level.
That gut instinct is correct (unfortunately). I have really wicked pattern recognition and noticed this a few years ago - initially with brexit then over time with the following countries (in no order): usa, japan, argentina, bolivia, brazil, ecuador, peru, venezuela, india, israel, philippines, south korea, poland, romania, slovenia, australia, germany, etc..
It's statistically impossible that each of these places having an attempted (or successful) coup was random. Sure some of them already had problems or were never truly Democratic but if I was a betting man..
What's worse is that it isn't even hidden really - if you read through the epstein files released by his estate, which includes his personal ichat convos, there are many discussions on rigging elections in this exact way.
Tl;Dr, cybernazis
I don't get the end game though. You'd think the capitalists would want to keep their system running forever. Instead they're speed-running towards societal collapse. How will that increase profits?
Doesn't Bannon do a lot of work in Europe and Italy specifically? Well lobbying and such and apparently trying to create a force of people. Sure he has his project 2025 orders to focus on from those higher ups.
Indeed, he set up the necessary structures in Brussels a few years back. Local news coverage was minimal at best.
Also not surprising that the Belgian prince Laurent is in the Epstein files. Ties in nicely with Bannon and Trump.
This would be the end of a free USA. Real authoritarianism. The end. Fake elections from here on, just like Russia, Venezuela, etc. We are screwed if this happens. The fascists are winning.
Authoritarianism is a spectrum. We are more authoritarian than ever.
That doesn't mean we weren't authoritarian before.
I have a feeling you knew all that and just wanted to fight CptOblivius, though.
"More authoritarian than ever." Please, tell me how you argue for a measurable difference in the severity of authoritarianism between current day and early- to mid-nineteenth century US slave states. Is there, perhaps, a particular group effected that makes this more severe? Is it worse because white citizens are victimised now? Wasn't authoritarian when they used Zyklon B as part of southern-border security in the twentieth century? Is it the technological difference? Do you even know how surveillant the US has been in the past?
So fucking obnoxious and sneering to suggest you know more about something without clearly ever fucking learning about it. Go on though, explain how the slave-state wasn't as bad.
So you've confirmed your goal here is to get into a nasty fight with your (alleged) allies.
I'll pass on the offer, but enjoy your day.
It wasn't necessary athoritarian previously. It was really following the will of the people of the time. Essentially white dudes voting in white dudes to protect their shitty interests. That is not where the majority of the population is now. Society has shifted beyond where the government is, that is why they are trying to control the voting process.
What about that time it used genocide against dozens of indigenous nations to expand, or became a police-slave-state that codified naturalized racism, or restricted voting access along race and gender until forced otherwise, or adopted an organised military to suppress unions, or spent decades intervening and invading countries that elected governments who said mean things about the US, or when it suppressed climate change knowledge for decades, or when it constructed a mass - surveillance apparatus over a century, or when it imprisoned the largest number of people anyone has on the planet to perpetuate forced labour based on that one time it was a police-slave-state? I didn't even mention the Patriot Act or how they use nukes.
Again, are you meant to be the actual Cpt. Oblivious, or is it meant to be a dig on me like the joke is unclear. Above is more for the benefit of any chuds who may feel validated by your previous comment.
It wasn't a dig. All those things you mentioned were not straight up authoritarianism, they were in part by the largest group voting group getting their way. That's what the voters want. It was extremely shitty stuff and I never said it wasn't. Just because these happened doesn't mean it was because of authoritarianism. We slowly evolved getting better over time, but now we are regressing. And it will be extremely difficult to vote our way out of it, even when the majority of eligible voters want to. In no time in our Constitutional history has so much power been under one man.
So who intervenes when he physically tries to control the election processes in states? Who certifies the election results, JD Vance?
He can just claim any state election is fraudulent because they didn't do what he said, reject the results in any state the gop didn't win enough and argue the GOP reps can stay in power until an election happens the way he wants, all while claiming the gop definitely won a majority, with no proof. He will not admit to the loss of control of congress and will not leave the white house peacefully if he's impeached.
Americans had better get ready for a violent transfer of power. MAGA will believe dems stole the election this time and they won't sit by and let government function, Trump will still be president while all this happens and use that authority to incite insurrection against the constitution.
If they choose to follow Trump, there isn't, no. They have to convince people to refuse Trump's orders if they're illegal or when he has no authority. Re-committing to the system of government and the rules of the distribution of power is necessary. Its hearts and minds right now. Follow Trump or follow the Constitution and its founding doctrines. You can't serve both because Trump and the GOP have abandoned the constitution already. They can't coexist.
Who certifies the election results, JD Vance?
No. (de jure, at least, who knows what will actually happen in practice)
The law identifies the governor – or, in the case of Washington, D.C., the district's mayor – as responsible for submitting certificates of ascertainment, unless otherwise specified by state laws or constitutions. In addition, a certificate that was revised as ordered by a state or federal court judgment before the meeting of electors supersedes all previous certificates.
The law clarifies that the vice president's role in the counting of the electoral votes is "solely ministerial," with no power to "determine, accept, reject, or otherwise adjudicate or resolve disputes over the proper list of electors, the validity of electors, or the votes of electors."
That "blatantly illegal" part should be a key part of every headline dealing with this anti-American treachery.
Anti-voting activists<=> fascists/nazis
Young women<=> children
Alternate facts<=> lies
We HAVE to keep calling out media for spreading misinformation.
No surprise there:
If he studied Hitler's speeches then why is he so bad at them? Wasn't Hitler like one of the best at speeches? Some would say the very best, better than anyone has ever seen.
I've met people better than Hitler at speeches. That's not the only trait that affects whether you go up in power or down. But no less important is that they might have had different desires.
My response was in part meant to be in jest to how trump speaks
Imagine fucking that every night lmao, what a nazi cunt.
The Enabling Act
It's legal if no one has the balls to shut it down.
States run elections
Yea, I feel like this has some civil war outcomes possible.
I don't know if blue states have steeled themselves enough for it yet, but I don't think they will take this lying down.
Keep an eye out. My prediction is a terrorist attack around election time pinned on Iran, Trump declares a state of emergency and tries to take control of the election.
If this happens people are finally gonna have to face some uncomfortable truths about 9/11 lol
Empires don't fall by themselves. People burn them down.
If everyone in America is waiting for "somebody" to fix everything for them then there's a good chance America is going to exceed that 250 year mark.
"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" ― Will Durant
Congress does nothing, as usual.
If we wanna be technical, there’s nothing to do. They can saber rattle, but until the executive order is signed, there’s not really much to do. It’s already illegal, so working towards making it illegal is silly.
There’s also the fact that even if he signed it, congress wouldn’t really play a part in what comes next. It would get struck down by the courts, make its way to the Supreme Court, and then who the fuck knows.
Now, do I think the republican majority congress would actually stop it if given the choice? Not likely.
USAmericans are living in turmoil, struggling to makes ends meet; We see headlines like this, and then we see our representatives—Democrat representatives—sit around. I'm aware this order is illegal, and maybe it would be "pointless" to reiterate that; but maybe it wouldn't. Maybe restating the president can't take control of elections would actually persuade enough of the Supreme Court to tell Trump to ask Congress. Maybe a few defectors would join Democrats in refusing to give Trump that control. What else are our representatives going to be doing? Attending lobbyist parties?
This is why so many USA folks are bitter and jaded about our nation, the Democratic Party, and voting in general. We have seen resistance efforts against ICE, especially now in Minneapolis and St. Paul. We've seen lawyers and civil rights activists assemble to assist marginalized groups. Soup kitchens and food pantries continue to get essential support, even during this economic recession. During the shutdown, while SNAP benefits were illegally withheld, even restaurants were offering free meals to SNAP recipients. And not one bit of this was thanks to the so-called opposition party. People with local businesses or full-time jobs—people with family members to care for—are taking on this effort; and the vast majority of the folks making $174,000 a year in their political representative job aren't involved beyond showing up to their cushy office, walking into the chamber, and pressing the "No" button that they know won't stop anything. Then, when that vote would have power, they give the All-Clear to the fascists...all three times now.
Not one member of the Senate even requested the "Big Beautiful Bill" be read out in full—a procedure which likely would have delayed the bill by months. Introducing the bill by name alone requires unanimous consent; and Republicans got it. Again and again we watch as limp-spined Democrats follow their geriatric delulu leader Schumer, and their followers yell at everyone who criticizes them—pro-Palestine protestors; Newsom critics; those calling for resistance—It's agonizing.
Literally draft the documents they need to pass to override his "emergency" and put it before Congress the moment he tries this bullshit. Congress has the power to nullify any "emergency" he declares.
Write up articles of impeachment.
At least prepare it all and make it clear to the people you have it ready.
And keep fucking doing it. Shut down any and all congressional action until this shit stain is out of the white house. Refuse to fund anything. Impeach anyone and everyone they can that is involved in this.
Hold congressional hearings over and over and compel these fascist fucks to waste their fucking time answering questions we already know. Make them say it out loud. Then fucking spread their fucked up answers far and wide. Not just in democratic mailers asking for money, but to every influencer.
They could pass a law making it clear that there is no emergency power that would allow the President to interfere with elections.
The President would veto the law.
Congress could then overturn the veto
It would get struck down by the courts, make its way to the Supreme Court, and then who the fuck knows.
The Trump admin ghouls understand this logistical red tape, know if will not pass muster and time it so that they achieve maximum compliance in a short window of time.
This emergency executive order is going to get thrown down mid to late October, and by the time the courts can churn it through the appeals system, the election in November will have already happened. Oops, looks like all of Trump's cronies and sycophants won, too late to go back now - we already swore them in!
Doesn't really matter. They have plenty of options. Here some options based on what we know already.
Influencing elections trough social media. Mercer and Bannon were succesful through facebook to make brexit a thing. Now, with the technological advancements and all the DOGE data this is very realistic.
Or going to war with Canada right before the elections.
Or, in 1 year or so, ICE ($85 billion budget) will be fully staffed. They'll be operational to fulfill their true militia role.
They stormed the Capitol, jfc. Those goons are ICE now.
We can be sure of 1 thing. Either way, power will not be handed over.
Or going to war with Canada right before the elections
Mexico. They're stirring shit in Mexico right now. had a cartel guy killed, shut down the air space near the border for drone and strikes about a week ago, and are and running a psyop about whats really happening in the us right now.
Heavily armed ICE agents to be stationed at all polling places "to prevent illegal immigrants voting".
Calling it now.
Every election, it's the year of "stolen elections" in the upcoming election, even as they argue about the "stolen election" the last election.
Why do the corporate-owned networks allow such a news story on such a steady basis? Is the election almost stolen every couple years? Is the election never stolen? Do they steal the elections sometimes but at other times have fair elections?
I don't think there's ever any stealing, I think it's purchased, every time. And THAT is why stolen elections are a constant news story.
Time to study socialist theory. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
Sure seems like getting trained up and in shape would be a good idea. Just in case, ya know.
Like the other post, applying for UK Visa hit's record high, so no need to fight for your country, just let them take it.
Before legislation is passed, it is often drafted by people outside of Congress, and outside of the White House. Corporate lobbyists, for example.
I hope America recognises that the stakes are too high to be dismissive of this. Even if it goes nowhere the first time, or the tenth, becoming complacent would be a huge mistake.
Even still, Noem literally stated, on mic, on camera to the nation, that ICE would be at the polls ensuring the "right people" vote for the "right leaders". Believe your enemy when they're dumb enough to tell you their plan.
Let's not muddy the waters. They are circulating it within the White House, it says so right in the article.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...
Activists who say they are in coordination with the White House are circulating a draft executive order that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting.
"Activists who say"
What does the White House say?
Only Magats believe anything that comes out of this White House.
Ok, but are there any other sources corroborating this besides "Florida attorney claims"?
One and the same
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As a Constitution Loving QAnon believer who HATES Pedophiles AND Corruption I APPLAUD the President, who Raped Children with Jeffrey Epstein, taking UNCONSTITUTIONAL Control of Elections!
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