And a user replaceable battery!

I’d rather have it be a bit more mid to upper range, I want a nice processor and decent cameras

GOS already confirmed it's shipping with a flagship snapdragon SOC so it won't be a budget device. Maybe a future model though.

I think most of those other features are a long shot as well. The GOS team hasn't really specified any preferences for non-security related features and I doubt Motorola would suddenly change their hardware design/direction.

Dude I miss notification LEDs so much. And there is no proper "do not turn on my screen" permission in Android so some app stubbornly wake my screen.

Also would add Display Output over USB to that list.

e-ink screen! i adored the motorola-f3 with the led segment screen

Don’t forget when you could listen to fm radio using the headphone jack as an antenna.

I thought that was going to be the future, but it’s easier to sell music from your music store when you kill am/fm radio.

And no notch or circle in my display!

https://grapheneos.social/...

We never ruled out working with Motorola, Samsung, Nothing, OnePlus, etc. We said none of their current devices meet our requirements which remains the case for all of them. Only future devices from our OEM partner can be supported and it's going to take time to meet all of the update and security feature requirements. It's planned for 2027 but we aren't sure when in 2027 the devices will be launched. There's a lot of work to get done on updates, MTE, etc. before then.

That sucks because Motorola actually is great at hardware

Those aren't the real logos either.

one of the largest

The source is not this publication, the source is Motorola, as posted by a user on Reddit.

I would love something with a good camera (sensor & (zoom) optics).

At this point you HAVE to make it a 7" behemoth to get sales, but a lower-volume model with a smaller screen would be a great addition to the lineup. But I can't imagine too many people buy them because Apple stopped making the Minis and they don't usually stop making things that make them money. I actually loved my 13 mini. If this Motorola-GrapheneOS partnership ends up spawning a phone of that size (I do think a lot of privacy enthusiasts may also be smaller phone enthusiasts), I may finally go back to Android.

I bought my current phone, a Motorola Moto G Stylus (2025), because I of its hardware support. It has E-SIM plus a physical SIM slot, SD card support, and a headphone jack. The one downside is not having any custom firmware builds available. I'm hoping that changes in the near future.

My large hands would probably be fine with a 'nearly 7" behemoth' if phones would just go back to a 9:16 aspect ratio. I may even be able to appreciate a more ereader-like aspect ratio like 2:3, 3:4, or 4:5. I have just been fed up by the unnecessarily tall phones of the past decade.

I mean it seems like a no-brainer for OEMs. You can just turn over all your software development to a 3rd party, for free.

I thought the same initially, but Lenovo also owns the 'Think' line of products which have historically been targeted at business customers and known for security. Whilst neither of the ThinkPhones currently meet GrapheneOS requirements, Motorola has been improving in that regard (according to GrapheneOS). Motorola also recently released a phone with 7 years of security updates, which is unusual for them.

Motorola, although it is now owned by Lenovo, is still headquartered in the US. North America continues to be one of its primary markets, and it's the next biggest company there by market share after Apple, Samsung and Google. Micay is based in Canada AFAIK. Altogether it makes a lot of sense to me that Motorola would be the company to reach out, as opposed to another Chinese brand headquartered on the other side of the world with zero market share or presence in North America, or one with any prior reputation for security.

That's on the cheap models. The higher end stuff comes with 4 years of updates

Honestly, $400-$500 for 7 years of support is a killer deal. 5 years ago the only manufacturer to give a meaningful amount of support was Apple, everyone else was up to 2, even for flagships.

But I completely understand your situation, especially if you're trying to be fiscally responsible and NOT get your phone on a payment plan of some sort. The 7 years of support means you might be able to find a 2 year old Pixel for below 300 though? Unless they don't depreciate fast enough for that.

Unfortunately the first device from this partnership is unlikely to be cheaper than the a series Pixel lineup. The GrapheneOS team already confirmed it will have a flagship snapdragon SOC. Have you looked into used a series Pixel devices? The 8a can be had refurbished in the low $200 range, and it will have software support for 5 more years. The 9a can be had for about $250 and will receive 6 more years of updates.

Bruh Android devices used to only get 2 to 3 years of support at most not that many years ago. 7 years is a MAJOR improvement.

I just picked up a Pixel 7 for 200 from swappa

I didn't like the look of the batteries in the pixel watches. I actually have a Huawei watch (yeah, I know) and it's great. Turns out, when you're subsidised by the Chinese state you can make a good product that costs less.

for something that they themselves admit would likely only get around 7 years of support.

Do you know of an android device with longer support than 7 years? The norm is 3 years.

GrapheneOS devs have been very clear about Fairphone not caring the slightest about security. They are the last OEM in the world they'd choose.

Fairphone has a partnership with Murena to ship a variant of the Gen 6 with e/OS/, don't they?

Motorola is a major supplier of communication equipment for the IDF and produces bomb fuses used in IDF's bombs. It also donated money to Project 2025.

I don't know, I expect them to call it the (We're clear on) OPSEC 1

They don't for me either, but they've recently pushed a lot into making enterprise phones. Guaranteeing timely security updates for 7 years and such.

I haven't actually checked if this is just marketing bs and if they're following up on it or not though.

honestly in the same boat, unfortunately motorola is not really a "small" company, as they are owned by Lenovo. I will take what I can get though.

You didn't know that GrapheneOS is diversifying by also deciding to start manufacturing footballs (soccer for our American friends)?

The GrapheneOS logo looks like drawn by someone who remembers what does it look like but not what it represents.

Definitely, both are close but obviously wrong.

Looks like shitty photoshop of stock images to me.

It's possible they are updating the logo in light of the partnership?

It runs fine on my Pixel 7a, I have an account with 2 Brazilian banks and they all work well.

Some apps just don't work though, but they are far and between, an example is Brazil's gov.br, which is a website that is used for ID confirmation on everything that pertains to the government (tax revenue, your own business details,etc.). But then an old phone does that job for me at home.

Speaking of Brazil, it is worth mentioning that Google Pixels are not officially sold here. The ones I did obtain I bought on a "Brazilian eBay" and there is no e-SIM support for it nor any warranty services. I had to do the battery replacement myself despite knowing that Google was offering to fix faulty Pixel 7a's on NA/India/Europe/etc. I am only bringing this up because, coincidentally, 50% of Motorola's smartphone sales are on LATAM. It's a pretty smart move they are making if you ask me, they are aware they could explore this huge market it seems.

I haven't had any trouble with banking apps. One gives me a warning but allows me to continue. Google Wallet doesn't work for payments but that is just fine with me.

My bank's app won't run on my Pixel 8 Pro with GrapheneOS. Most apps run fine. It's pretty much just the bank app and eBay that refuse to run.

Use your bank's web portal. If your bank doesn't let you use a web portal, switch fucking banks, because that means they don't care about you.

Bank apps are filled with all kinds of tracking spyware.

Banking and finance is the one area where Graphene falls over for me in the UK, on a Pixel 9.

In short, my bank's app - Lloyds - doesn't work on Graphene. At all. I have Play Services sandboxed, and I've tried all the tricks, but nope. No dice. The website works in the browser just fine, but is kind of a pain in the arse to have to manually log in to whenever I want to use it.

And, as with all Graphene phones regardless of bank, Wallet does not allow registration of any payment cards. Neither my credit nor debit cards work. Store reward cards do though, so that's something.

Workarounds for me are currently:

• a Monzo card registered with my Garmin watch,
• my bank card saved in the Lidl app, which can be used for payments
• a magsafe wallet that holds my debit card

I'm led to believe that the Curve app can be used for contactless payments, however, I somehow failed the ID check when I tried to register with them, and their customer service is APPALLING. It's been five months, and I'm still no closer to actually getting hold of anyone who might be able to help. Also, Curve was recently bought by Lloyds, so it seems likely that that option will be closed in the foreseeable future.

Ultimately though, it's fine, and the benefits outweigh those few drawbacks.

Anyone with first-hand experience, how’s Graphene OS with banking apps?

Depends on the bank. Chase didn't work, but bank of america did.

Me too, I've grown kind of suspicious of Graphenes security so getting official support by Motorola is nice.

GrapheneOS has strict requirements about hardware being secure enough, so if existing Motorola phones were secure enough then they'd already be supported. This is presumably about future devices that Motorola are going to build.

Fairphone has really bad security, and takes far too long to push updates, so they explicitly ruled it out.

They also will not work wit h Fairphone because they partner with Murina and Murina slandered GrapheneOS.

Same it feels like they'd make a really good match

My 2021 Moto edge does not have a head phone jack.

No, they intentionally limit storage so they can sell cloud solutions and suck up more of your fungible personal data while you pay them.

It'll never be all I need because I want to be able to remove my data from a dead or broken phone. Microsd or NVMe are the only things I know that could provide that.

Motorola does not have a mobile phone business

What do you call these?

Confidently incorrect

Motorola mobility is a Lenovo subsidiary

same.

it's about market share and money.

HW is mid at best and overpriced

GOS has strict security requirements and so far Pixels have been the only devices out there that both allow GOS installation and meet their security requirements. Simple as.

Personally apart from repairability, I see very little meaningful difference in phone hardware these days. And a series Pixels are very reasonably priced.

Motorola is a mainstream brand

I think it's just smart business, too.

Several companies deserve a larger market share in the cell phone game, and it seems the levers to pull which get us there are OS and hardware based.

Tons of users and enterprise users just begging for better solutions.

My favorite phones were the original Motorola Droids....member the charging dock that looked like an alarm clock?

Popular with me, except you can't flash Lineage usually. But for the price they are great.

I highly doubt it will come in budget phones which are usually subsidized by preloaded apps.

GrapheneOS won't be coming to any existing Motorolas due to hardware security requirements.

I highly recommend not getting Razrs. Not sure if the competition's folding phones are any more durable, but my family's Razr+s all lasted less than two years even with cases. I dropped mine 15cm onto a padded car floor while unfolded and that's all it took to get superbright vertical lines through the screen.

If they continue to support Pixel phones that covers the flagship end pretty well. Extending to cheaper devices might be more worthwhile to get more people using GrapheneOS.

Wikipedia says Google sold Motorola Mobility to Lenovo in 2014. The article also mentions that Motorola is owned by Lenovo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Mobility