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Snowpix 80 points 3 years ago

Hexbear does not participate or argue in good faith. Their only goal is to "dunk on" everyone who disagrees with them through bad faith arguments and brigading/harassing.

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CryptoRoberto 46 points 3 years ago

100% they're just complete shitheads who can't bother to form coherent arguments or debate. They just harass and pile on. They gotta own the libs. Can't be bothered to find common ground or make discussion. It's insanely toxic. Tanky version of trumpers is just the most accurate way to describe them.

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Ashyr 28 points 3 years ago

"Never believe that [tankies] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [tankies] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

Jean-Paul Sartre

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TheDankHold 34 points 3 years ago

I like these threads because they’re almost exclusively filled with people trying their best to prove the OP right.

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UnrepententProcrastinator 5 points 3 years ago

I wouldn't know coming from a sub that deferated them. So peaceful.

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three 29 points 3 years ago
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CryptoRoberto 25 points 3 years ago

I compared them to 4chan and got so many russeled jimmies.... It's so weird how the extreme toxic incels on either extreme side of the political spectrum are basically the same ethos.

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Oddbin 10 points 3 years ago

That's because it's not a line, it's a circle. Go off one side, come back on the other.

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lemann 26 points 3 years ago

I'm honestly tired of seeing the constant Hexbear defederation posts popping up on /all from other instances' meta communities, and now sadly our own.

The features to defederate on a per-user basis are coming: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397

For anyone who can't wait, it is honestly easier to sign up on another instance who has already defederated. This is not reddit, you're not penalised or restricted for having a brand new account somewhere. You also don't need to type an essay if there's an application, just prove you're human.

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southsamurai 49 points 3 years ago

Ehhh, the fact that it comes up so often is an indicator that there's something wrong.

The issues that cause people to make these posts (if you look at the content of the posts and assume they're made in good faith) are consistently about the behavior of the people from hexbear.

Since the instance literally has discussions about disrupting other instances communities, I don't think it's at all strange to see a ton of calls for defederation.

There's what, three apps that let you filter instances? Considering that solution is very limited (and doesn't actually prevent the disruption intended by the bad actors that use hexbear), trying to say that the "real" solution is to uproot yourself, migrate via the migration tools, and hope that's the end of it isn't useful.

Calls for defederation are part of lemmy. It just is the ultimate solution to an instance being a problem. The fact that it's currently the only instance wide way to prevent disruption from another instance just reinforces the reason the ability is there in the first place.

Per user defederation will be wonderful once it arrives, but it's only useful when the instance you're on chooses not to defederate from a disruptive instance and you can't/won't move away.

As boring as it is to see defederation calls, they aren't going away.

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PopOfAfrica 45 points 3 years ago
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Microw 13 points 3 years ago

From that pull request:

"My PR only hides communities from that instance, but not users."

So no, it's not defederation on a per-user basis.

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Maajmaaj 8 points 3 years ago
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Rottcodd 33 points 3 years ago

Yeah.

You know - I've been thinking the same thing about water. There must be a team of people all working together to push the idea that it's wet. Why else would so many different people all say the same thing?

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Maajmaaj 3 points 3 years ago
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KingJalopy 3 points 3 years ago

You can't explain that

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ABoxOfNeurons 26 points 3 years ago

I'm for defederation at least until instance blocking is available. I've already blocked most of their communities from my feed, but comments have been really unpleasant since they federated.

It's not really about the ideology as much as not wanting to have to scroll past endless political bickering. Rage addiction is real and contagious.

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Melody 24 points 3 years ago

I will also place my support for defederation of Hexbear.

Our rule #4 clearly states: (emphasis mine)

No harassment, dogpiling or doxxing of other users.

Every one of you hexbear users AND users of remote instances who are here harrassing and arguing with OP about their views is doing just that. Dogpiling.

In a meta thread that hasn't much place. Instead of trying to discredit the user proposing the defederation; maybe try proving you folks can play by our rules. Yes; Jonah does permit a variety of viewpoints. If you can stay within our ruleset.

as always I leave it up to you to review their behavior(s) @jonah@lemmy.one and decide if defederation is an appropriate action. But the action of the several hexbear users who have replied before this comment have not inspired my faith in them to behave.

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canni 22 points 3 years ago

Every fucking thread on the front page is about communism. Don't you guys have anything else to talk about?

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YeetPics 4 points 3 years ago

Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else, and if you have anything even slightly judgemental to say about their bullshit they scream at you about propaganda and how skinny/limp their dicks are (idk about the last part, I zoned out last time I saw one of them having a fit).

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Steveanonymous 16 points 3 years ago

Give people the ability to block instances at an account level and federate with everyone

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PopOfAfrica 7 points 3 years ago
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jordanlund 15 points 3 years ago

I remember lemmy.world got a bunch of heat for defederating from them pre-emptively, but it seems like it was a good call at this point.

Bad faith arguments and sealioning abound from their users and it seems the whole instance is just designed to encourage it.

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pivot_root 3 points 3 years ago

TIL of sealioning.

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PopOfAfrica 2 points 3 years ago
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Heavybell 4 points 3 years ago

I don't get it. I don't think I've ever seen a post from hexbear, only posts about defederating them. What's different about my experience that stops me seeing their posts without any action on my part?

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poke 15 points 3 years ago

Your instance (lemmy.world) has already defederated from them, so you cannot see anything from them. The instance this post is on, lemmy.one, is federated and their users can see posts and comments from them.

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PopOfAfrica 2 points 3 years ago
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rarely 1 point 3 years ago

You can block any instance you like. Super easy to do so. Just click block instance and it’s like you didn’t even need to post this!

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PopOfAfrica 11 points 3 years ago
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rarely 1 point 3 years ago

You can block instances too. That's why I said block instances. Are you having a hard time reading?

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Ubermeisters 13 points 3 years ago

You should probably stop to consider the function you are talking about is specific to the app you are using, that is not a feature that lemmy overall supports currently, unfortunately. So if you're going to berate others for not understanding the services that let me offers, you might want to brush up first instead of looking like an asshole.

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rarely 0 points 3 years ago

Maybe we shouldn’t defederate because a user has an app preference and a feature preference that don’t match up?

If an app doesn’t have a feature you like, try an app that has a feature you like. There’s lots to choose from. In fact, there’s the web interface itself, and the ability to write your own scripts, too.

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PopOfAfrica 11 points 3 years ago
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rarely 1 point 3 years ago

Connect

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YeetPics 9 points 3 years ago

Nice and abrasive, you'd make a classic hexbear.

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rarely 1 point 3 years ago

I am my own hexbear. The hexbear is inside of us all.

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Maajmaaj 0 points 3 years ago
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PopOfAfrica 15 points 3 years ago
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bdonvr 9 points 3 years ago

Political compass theory is crap

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Maajmaaj -1 points 3 years ago
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PrettyBlackDress -8 points 3 years ago
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MonsieurHedge 35 points 3 years ago

It’s awesome and vindicating seeing you guys cry and bitch about having to experience someone with a different opinion then yours and who doesn’t agree with you.

This exact sentence, where you're a gloating asshole who actively gets off to frustrating people who might just be misinformed, is exactly why nobody likes hexbear users.

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PopOfAfrica 25 points 3 years ago
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remotelove 14 points 3 years ago

It's not about receiving honest feedback or different opinions. It's not even about censorship.

It's about blocking people who make comments like yours. It's not that we can't handle it, it's just that there still are quite a few people who don't like to turn every conversation into a dick-swinging contest. You are more of a general annoyance than anything else.

Obviously you are happy about being a jackass. Totally cool! I ignore people like you everyday since they usually have nothing of value to contribute anyway. All talk, no substance.

Just look at your account. You thrive on that particular persona. It's weird to me, but that is OK!

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kogasa 3 points 3 years ago

Deranged comment

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