100%. the level of comments kbin are blowing my mind, actual discussion. debate. different perspectives. people writing full sentences and explaining their thoughts.
instead of people being banned and insulted for having a differing opinion. or being told they are mean and bad people.
the 3rd grader level of discourse on reddit didn't exist 10+ years ago. it happened only after the site because a household name.
Maybe it's silly, but i love that I haven't seen a single one-word reply such as "*their".
EDIT: omg, what about those infinite threads of "this" or forced puns? Haven't seen those either (and I love bad puns, but those usually contributed very little)
This.
I mostly agree, but I do think there's a certain sense of collective accomplishment when you pull off a 37-deep comment thread with lines from a song or whatever.
Also: This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here: Huge Success!
This.
Thℹ️s.
Could 100% tell it was going to hell the past while, knew it was mainstream for several years now, ever since I started hearing radio hosts talk about Reddit. However, a few months ago I was helping my mom with something, and I glanced at her phone to see Reddit open. That's when I thought "Oh. Reddit's over".
Reading those comments in the threads OP posted reminded me how childish and toxic Reddit is. I haven't touched Reddit since this whole thing began and I've really been enjoying my time here on kbin. People actually communicate here. Those threads are typical Reddit downvote dog piling bullshit. It's so stark to me now after being away from it for awhile.
@polygon@kbin.social people have got used to the manipulative toxic mainstream social media and their ads and algorithms, that when they join fediverse or Thread inverse, they rediscover that none of that crap is really necessary and they were imposed on us so long ago that they felt normal. But they are not
I suspect in 8 days we will have better apps than Reddit does.
It's also a bit bothersome if you're there. The people who stay are probably aware of the alternatives, but also don't feel like moving, so people going over and trying to get them to join Kbin/Lemmy are the equivalent of people asking you to join the Church on the street. Having the alternate community on the sidebar, or if the sub shuts down is fine, but probably not a good idea to shove things into people's faces.
You're already aware that the Church exists, and the advertising is not going to make them want to join it any time soon. If anything quite the opposite, or it'll make them want to cause trouble just out of spite.
All the polite people are already here, lol
Your intentions are good, but to be fair to the reddit crowd, the way your post was written reads a lot like an advertisement. Trying to convince others like this is typically unproductive - people will just go to wherever the content is. It's up to all of us to generate that content and give them a reason to migrate out of their comfort zone.
You should just start up a magazine yourself if you want one to exist, even if you've never moderated before. It's not that big a deal at this early stage and if it grows big enough, you can always hand it off to someone else.
i didn't know i could give the magazine over to someone else.. sweet!
And yeah... after a while it felt a little like i was a jehovah's witness knocking at their door at 6 am.
That's what I did with St Louis Blues. There was no community here to I started one, asked for help and already have a second mod. We try to post1 or 2 news stories a day to start. Convo will happen when off-season really kicks in and then we will have pre-season and by then Lemmy/Kbin should be established.
As soon as I find someone with the passion for it I am transferring the community though, I have enough to mod lol
Pretty much. Like Twitter, the leadership is forcing a distillation of the userbase into the worst of the worst. Like 4chan, brought to you by Condé Nast. Going to be fun to watch from our nice balcony over here.
It's become a divide.
Pirates are more likely to end up on Lemmy, while streamers are more likely to remain on Reddit.
What I am saying is there are people who don't care and will give their money and attention to easy to learn, and easy to consume services.
While the other people refuse to feed into corporate greed, and seek frugal affairs which require a little more time and patience.
Unfornately as I have been witnessing there are so many people who continue to use Reddit, and will always use Reddit. These are the people who probably started using Reddit within the past 5 years, and were unaware of third party apps.
The only Reddit they know is new Reddit, and Reddit through the app. Often these people will happily pay a monthly fee for no ads and premium features.
The long term users are the ones that have seen it through its stages, we remember when the upvotes and downvotes were accurate, and were instantly visible, we remember when there were less rules for posting, less bots, and accurate karma points on posts.
Now it's all rigged, and AI driven.
The people who see through it, and want to get their voice back, and a sense of genuine community are the ones that end up on here.
Anyone who still continues to use Reddit I have less respect for, especially if they are aware of the alternatives.
I dont even think is just like that bc someone made a post about the response from users of the piracy subreddit to the blackout, and those there also were saying things like, that those who left are mod boots lickers. I don't know if it's so much ab your interests, bc there are people who care and people who dont in probably every group. Probably bc a lot of people against what spez is doing already left, so the ones left are mostly those who support spez or apathetic *tho not all of them
Holy. The people in comments of those posts are completely insufferable. I haven't seen this much concentrated idiocy in one place in a while, and I've been on reddit for close to a decade.
Don't pay attention to these pricks, OP. All the interesting people are leaving reddit even now, and all that's left are the wretches who made that site a terrible place to be even long before the API controversy. It's not worth even trying to invite these people here. They'd only make the fediverse worse with their presence.
Yeah it actually makes me feel like there's some astroturf going on. The "reddit defense" backlash seemed to start very suddenly, some while after spez's comments about how the blackout wasn't hurting them got popularized and people started renewing the subreddit blackouts. Almost everyone seemed at least tenatively supportive up to that point, then suddenly these waves of hardcore "reddit did nothing wrong, won't someone PLEASE think of the profits! Everything's fine, just keep posting here, fellow users!" HailCorporate-style comments start pouring into every subreddit and every thread talking about the issue seemingly simultaneously. These is something that seems deeply disingenuous about all of those comments.
Yeah I saw the thread where dndnext announced they were gonna do the John Oliver thing and everyone in the comments was complaining. Even though the poll showed overwhelming support. Almost like the comments were being astroturfed
I observed this too. Almost two weeks ago (when all of this started blowing up) the overwhelming majority of people who were talking about jumping that sinking ship were upvoted and supported. Folks were discussing the best platforms to migrate to, etc. Then a few days ago I noticed all of sudden a heap of really negative anti-fediverse comments had cropped up. While I'm not some all seeing eye that can perceive all Reddit comments and analyse the data, it was such a big, stark and sudden shift.
I realise it seems cynical and entering into conspiracy theory territory but I like to think I've lived through enough of the interwebs at this point (I was on BBS' before the internet was a thing in my country) and rationally learned enough about corporate corruption, astroturfing and fake reviews to be at least suspicious that something more is going on.
and I’ve been on reddit for close to a decade.
You probably have a pretty curated feed so even your "front page" isnt completely insane.
I always forget how insufferable reddit is because i tend to stick to much smaller areas. And then i see a page when logged off and well..yeah.
I didn’t realize how bad the mobile Reddit site was. The one or two comments I could see were bad enough, but man the whole page was a mess. I couldn’t even look at the last link because it just required the app.
try browsing them by raplacing "reddit" with "safereddit" in your url ;) no need for apps!
Or replace reddit.com with teddit.net if you need to view a sub that's set to NSFW (since safereddit doesn't support it).
I had been using the mobile Reddit site for 2+ years. A few months ago they removed the option to "stop asking to view in app". They're gonna deletd the mobile site soon.
People hated linux...
Until they realized it works.
And yet, there is still a guy on reddit that posts patently false rage bait about how linux can't do shit in subs like pcmr, and sometimes their lies even makes it to the frontpage.
It's just how things that are too different, even if better, get treated by some.
i thought there might have been someone in the subreddit that is also a kbin/lemmy user that could do create magazine
You tried to rationalize with CinemasacreTruthers.
That was your mistake
Tbf, being toxic is kind of the point of Always Sunny, even though the creator are really good wholesome people.
I mean, those IASIP responses are pretty on brand but thanks for letting me know the community exists!
the baby dick comment cracked me up though
community is up here:
https://kbin.social/m/iasip@lemmy.ml
I was expecting a "shut up, bird" or two in the Reddit comments but baby dick is a classic. Thanks for linking it!
"how much does it pay? $$$" lol.
What a sad iteration of the Internet we live in. Part of me wants to roll my eyes and call that person a stupid kid. Another part of me knows it actually pays to be vigilant to shit like this, because reddit is absolutely rampant with bots and trolls. Sad that a person can't just spread the word about something they enjoy anymore without there being some mundane - yet still somehow nefarious, ulterior motive behind it.
And how much does reddit pay?
People generally are lazy and will want stuff that works, so inertia is a thing.
And asked if someone would be interested to create maintain a magazine/community that don't exist here. I got shit over...
And yes, you will get shit because you're asking people without an investment in the new platform to do work for free. That's not going to happen, regardless of the situation.
Please stop advertising for Kbin. Have you see the history of the people you were talking to? You want them in our mags? You want them to upvote their own content and make Kbin the next reddit shitshow? Stop.
People left reddit and it wasn't just about the 3rd party app thing, it was also about the abysmal quality of the content. Reddit became too big and turned into a fest of attention whores. Keep Kbin at a reasonable size. Then people who matter will find us by themselves.
ill just delete all those post i made in a couple of days LOL. you are 100% correct
edit: im keeping it alive for a while just for the lulz.
Also, should we be linking to Reddit at all? Every click/tap just gives them ad revenue, doesn't it? The whole Reddit discussion is really starting to sound like people talking about a toxic ex they broke up with but haven't yet moved on from.
@XxTriviumxX i'v left automod configured to remove most spam, anything that gets reported more than 5 times, and post a stickied comment onto every post telling people where the mod team has gone. those comments get downvoted to oblivion, and i give absolutely zero fucks whatsoever. my job is done.
Did you see the post a couple of days ago that showed ai language bots replying in reddit threads?
The admins are making bots shit on alternatives and downplay the protests. There's a very real possibility that you're being responded to by ai.
I tried reading the replies to gain context but it just sounds like cryptobro nonsense so i checked out
I'm an older millennial, and I don't understand this trend lately of labeling anything slightly technical as "crypto/techbro" shit. It's like people see the word "server" or "IP address" or some shit and just get triggered by it. WTF? Can someone explain this trend? Back in my youth we didnt mind learning new shit, you HAD to in order to make effective use of your time online. That's how the early Internet was built. By "techie" people.
I mean, I'm not a certified mechanic and have zero interest in working on cars, but I figured out how to change my own timing belt with a youtube tutorial.
I don't know if its directly related to the present reaction, but us older millenials grew up with a different exposure to computers and the internet. It was still evolving so much, we had to figure it out. Younger millenials and Zoomers especially never had to deal with all of that - most of what they grew up on were iPhones and iPads and Chromebooks where everything is apps and userfriendly and "just works." For example, Zoomers don't even understand how file systems work. They never had to deal with them. It might not make sense to us, but the phrase "federated servers" is probably gibberish to a lot of younger folks.
It feels weird reading this as an early Zoomer. My first exposure to computers was Windows XP. It feels like I'm somewhere in the middle between that generation where you had to configure your computer yourself and that new generation where everything just works. I could probably have gone my whole life without opening a terminal but not ever having to deal with file systems ? This feels far from my experience with computers.
I agree with you, but I think this is more an issue with the way crypto and its advocates have firehose-marketed that corner of technology, than an issue with laymen who aren't interested. Crypto, web 3.0, etc. have been hyped as the future of the internet, coopting general concepts like decentralization as belonging to scheme-y crypto stuff rather than just a principle that crypto (ostensibly) aligns with.
I never got into any of that myself and am hyper-skeptical of it, but (hopefully) I know enough to determine that the Fediverse is not on the same plane as all that. I also wouldn't blame anyone who can't tell the difference.
The loudest aren't the majority. The loudest are often shills, trolls or AI bots. Just post that there's an alternative, leave the link, and walk away. There will be people coming and joining quietly, in my experience.
love you, too.
one of them shared my post on another subreddit to laugh at me:
https://www.reddit.com/...
Honestly they don't sound like great people, or particularly intellectually curious - you explained it well, there's no reason for them to be caricaturing it as nerd stuff. Especially since they're on Reddit. I wouldn't worry about them.
Sounds to me like they're best left over there.
I mean CinemassacreTruth’s entire existence is to be toxic towards AVGN, not surprised that they’re toxic to each other as well.
Well then… I wouldn’t do that again if I were you.
no sir.
You're just not explaining it easily enough.
Feel free to copy/paste this.
i saw your reply. did exactly that in other subreddits! fist pump
Why in the world would anyone want to stay on a site with people like that? Good riddance to that crowd. I understand that some people may be afraid of losing what they have in reddit and lash out at a perceived threat to that, but they just don't realize that they have already lost what made reddit special. It's never going back to what it once was and over time it will diminish further as more and more people get tired of the same low-effort commentary over and over again with fewer and more overworked moderators eventually closing communities because it's just not worth it anymore. It won't happen overnight, but slowly, unless spez decides to go full Elon on the site, which wouldn't surprise me.
I don't know what those communities are (Is there some kind of "truth" to be discovered about the AVGN? If there is, why should I care?). But I would say that at this point, Reddit has been ad-saturated for the time being with Mastodon, Lemmy, and KBin. You're not getting new reach and instead, you're hitting ad fatigue. Unless you can present Lemmy & KBin differently to what people have seen before, it's best to back off for a bit and work on developing a new campaign.
Instead, trust people to know whether they want to be on Reddit now or not. Some people do, some don't, and some people like to be spread everywhere - Reddit, Lemmy, KBin, Mastodon, etc. Give it some time to rest and don't hit them with the same off-topic stuff. Work to create interesting content on Lemmy or KBin. Then when you have something good that's related, crosspost it to Reddit and see if the Admins don't remove it.
Ok the person who said "sorry for not understanding something that is only popular with nerds" made me laugh because... Bro you are on reddit. You are using the outdated nerd gathering place to complain about nerds?
I will never in my life understand people that think of intelligence and curiosity as negative traits.
i tried. dont do it 😂
try, but smarter
thanks for using Leebra!
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I don't think proselytizing is necessary anymore; we've got enough folks on here now to get a sustainable community going, other people gradually finding their way over here over the next year or two (much as it happened with digg) is much better than a crazy server-destroying / spam-proliferating rush.
Reddit was perfectly enjoyable a decade ago with 10% as many users, we don't need very many of them to be able to offer a worthy reddit replacement to anybody who seeks one. (plus I suspect within 6 months or so we'll have way better apps than reddit does)
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