Todd Howard says that Starfield's New Game Plus was "us asking you this weird, deep question that I actually think got lost on a lot of people"

6 months ago by Agent_Karyo to c/starfield

If you've been concerned with going through the Unity in the past, Bethesda says now is the time to go back in to give it a try

Ledivin 24 points 6 months ago

If you tried to ask that question and it was lost on most people, then you failed as a designer. Starfield is still mediocre at best - sorry, Todd.

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otter 7 points 6 months ago

It's really pretty, though โ€”especially after you mod the everloving shit out of it. ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜

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mnemonicmonkeys 4 points 6 months ago

And the gameplay and engine have gotten a lot better compared to previous BGS games. The worlds just weren't detained or interesting enough.

Only 4 actual companions worth talking to, all of them belonging to the main faction to pressure you into doing the story. Not enough Bethesda, you need bigger, more detailed factions and companions. In Fallout 4, you had 2x the number of companions, half of them weren't tied to one specific faction, and they all still managed to be interesting with their own opinions you had to account for before going murderhobo or betraying people.

And the environmental storytelling is extremely sparse compared to Fallout 4 and Skyrim. The curated areas needed to be bigger and more detailed, without all of the loading screens. Skyrim and Fallout 4 are most enjoyable without fast travel, but in Starfield that was not the case.

And while I'm not opposed to precedural generation, even in a BGS game within reason, it needed a lot of work here. You can't just have a single version of a facility you can randomly come across, and have all instances be exactly the same. Add variability of layout, change what clutter is around, change up what NPCs and creatures you encounter, and vary what the backstory of each station is. All of this can be done with procedural generation, but it takes work to do right.

I think one of the big things that went wrong with Starfield is that they put lots of time and effort in to building the various system improvements and additions (and they did do a good job with that), but then tried to use procedural generation as an easy button. If you talk to game devs that work with procedural generation, they will generally say to to do it well takes a similar amount of work as doing everything by hand.

If Bethesda does make a sequel to Starfield, I think they could do it very well, even with procedural generation, but they need to put a lot into building that system up to where it needs to be for a Bethesda game. And if they built it up as a long-term investment, it could benefit their other franchises. Mods have added seasons to skyrim, what if BGS built a system to procedurally change season effects on a day-by-day basis, with minor tweaks? What if they occasionally had trees in the forests of Skyrim slowly grow through stages and even fall over, making it more natural? What if the clutter in houses like food on tables vary each day? Skyrim modding already strives towards parts of this, imagine if there was proper investment to add it straight into the game engine?

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cecilkorik 17 points 6 months ago

It wasn't even interesting enough to play it the first time, nevermind a second time.

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A_Random_Idiot 2 points 6 months ago

much less the 10+ times they demanded to get the top tier ship/powers/etc

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Kolanaki 12 points 6 months ago

What deep question is that?

"What if there was another universe where everything is just slightly different?"

That's not a deep question.

The religious cult trying to figure out if God exists asked deeper questions than whatever NG+ was trying to say. Like "why are we here?" and "is God real?" But those get absolutely zero resolution.

I did like the NG+ universe where every NPC is me tho. That was funny.

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BigBananaDealer -5 points 6 months ago

the first time you play you hate the hunter for his horrible callousness toward humanity

once you jump through the unity enough times, you become just like the hunter

your comment basically just confirmed todd howard's comment. that it gets lost on people

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Kolanaki 6 points 6 months ago

The Hunter is a 14 year old edgelord.

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BigBananaDealer 4 points 6 months ago

the new vegas lonesome road fans would love him then

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BigBananaDealer 6 points 6 months ago

i havent jumped through the unity yet because i cant bring myself to leave sarah morgan and i dont want to go through trying to court her for marriage again

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