The dress

6 months ago by cocolulu to c/opticalillusions

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Do you still see the dress as having the same colors as you first see it, or are the colors changing to you? I always see it as black and blue, and no matter what I do, I can't have my eyeballs see it as white and gold.

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RougeEric 4 points 6 months ago

But that only works if you completely disregard the surrounding environment, right?

Otherwise how do you explain the bright yellow lighting and overexposure? It would have to be blue... like in the example.

That's the part I never got. In fact, that illustration seems like the perfect way of pointing out how it should not appear white and gold, based on the surrounding colors.

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HereIAm 3 points 6 months ago

That's what I've always thought as well. The picture is clearly taken in a bright room and the exposure turned too high.

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Uruanna 1 point 6 months ago

The assumption from the people arguing white and gold was that the light was outside, and the dress was under a ceiling and it was darker inside. They would think this was backlit.

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RougeEric 0 points 6 months ago

But then you would have light bleed around the edges. Unless you are in an extremely dark room, reflection and diffusion would make the curved edges of the dress receive some of that outside light. Yet the floor at the foot of the dress is well lit.

Back to my original conception of things: understanding of lighting and photography makes the white-gold seem impossible.

I do not deny that people can instinctually miss these details... But I am surprised that further analysis doesn't inevitably resolve in these conclusions.

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e0qdk 6 points 6 months ago

When I linked to it a few days ago, it looked blue/black to me. Later that day (and still currently as of writing), I see white/gold. I think the same thing happened when I first ran into it but that was too long ago for me to be sure.

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lurch 2 points 6 months ago

This happens to me too. I think it's related to my surroundings. Like in a sunlit room it looks white+golden, but in a shadowy room the white becomes blueish and in artificially lit rooms the gold becomes black. Maybe it deoends on light intensity, as the sun is much stronger than regular LED bulbs.

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username_1 5 points 6 months ago
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Master 4 points 6 months ago

im over here seeing blue and gold...

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smuuthbrane 3 points 6 months ago

Grey and mustard, as always.

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Malyca 1 point 6 months ago

I usually see white and gold, still do

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Spacehooks 1 point 6 months ago

I wonder if screen and room brightness effects the dress color that is perceived.

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RougeEric 1 point 6 months ago

I am used to manipulating digital images (photoshop, 3D, etc.). Even in the gifs that supposedly show how people can see both by changing the exposure and warmth, I still see black and blue... just even more overexposed. I do not personally know a single person who manipulates digital images frequently that sees white and gold. (anecdotal)

I know some people have "shifted" their view at some point... and I still cannot fathom getting this wrong, or changing how it can be seen. Even when scientists break down how it works, my brain just points out the overexposed background and bright yellow lighting, and is convinced roughly 50% of humanity is just trolling.

The part that kills me is how the dress(?) behind it on the left has the same black and... actual white.. and people don't seem to notice that. How‽

Edit: to be clear, I am genuinely curious here.

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a_gee_dizzle 8 points 6 months ago

Even in the gifs that supposedly show how people can see both by changing the exposure and warmth, I still see black and blue

It is 100% white and gold for me

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RougeEric 2 points 6 months ago

Genuine question then: for you, what colors are:

  • the general environment on the right?
  • the horizontal piece sticking out on the right? (a piece of wood, or the shade on a ledge I guess)
  • the dress(?) on the left?
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a_gee_dizzle 2 points 6 months ago

the general environment on the right?

Brownish near the top, with a red spot. Below that everything seems to be overexposed, and the overexposed parts look bright. Yellowish hues are there.

the piece of wood on the right?

Brown

the dress(?) on the left?

Darker brown, looks like it likes probably lighter in proper lighting though

I know I said "brown" a lot but I have full colour vision.

Is anything I described different from what you see?

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RougeEric 2 points 6 months ago

The right side is white near the top (nearly pure white, likely sunlight overblown by the photo), there is some generally dark clutter with a spot of red, and then a white or pale beige lit with yellow-ish lighting.

The "beam" is either some light wood, or just the shadow on a ledge; it is made brown-ish because of the yellow lighting's illumination but lack of exposure to the exterior backlighting.

The dress on the left is white and black. Made yellow and dark-ish brown-ish by overexposure and strong yellow indoor lighting.


Fundamentally, and the science points to this, you are likely seeing the environmental yellow as actual colors, and not the result of lighting; which I understand on paper... but I cannot see a scenario where blue lighting would produce a bright yellow when overexposed; even if there is yellow in the actual object colors (because blue-ish light would tarnish the warm colors to light grays or possibly light greens I guess)

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jmill 2 points 6 months ago

I usually see this as black and blue, but today saw white and gold. I snapped it back by holding my hand over my phone and making a gap between fingers only over a bit of the dress. Can't see white and gold now.

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TastehWaffleZ 3 points 6 months ago

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RougeEric 1 point 6 months ago

Like I replied to another comment, how can you explain that the surrounding environment is yellow then? Based on this diagram, white+gold could only work if the rest of the image was lit with blue light... which it clearly is not.

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Don_alForno 1 point 6 months ago

The dress appears to be in the shadow to me (light source between dress and background, with the dress shielding the light source from view in the picture), so it wouldn't be affected by the yellow light.

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RougeEric 1 point 6 months ago

For that to work, the light would have to be exactly behind the dress (it is coming from the top based on what we can see), and the surrounding room dark. Otherwise you get "light bleed" along the sides of any curved object due to reflection and ambient refraction.

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orlyowl 2 points 6 months ago

still cannot fathom getting this wrong, or changing how it can be seen.

When I visited this thread earlier, it was white and gold. Now I came to it again and it's black and blue. lol1

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slackassassin 1 point 6 months ago

Same. I can't fathom how it can't be fathomed!

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socsa 1 point 6 months ago

There is no illusion, just the plainly obvious reality.

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Entertainmeonly 1 point 6 months ago

Is it unusual that i can swap it in my mind back and forth? Maybe the acid is just hitting.

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RougeEric 0 points 6 months ago
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