You have any sauce for that? They pay influence operations to write thousands and thousands of fake comments and all sorts of things, not usually Americans though, and not individual people, but companies based out of low-income countries like India speak English.

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DiarrheaSommelier 1 point 4 months ago

Where can I sign up for this $33 per letter?

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DiarrheaSommelier 4 points 4 months ago

Time to build a new net.

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cecilkorik 2 points 4 months ago

I'm already on more darknets than they can count. At least I'm pretty sure they can't, because they're not very bright, and probably can't count very high.

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ipkpjersi 2 points 4 months ago

If they could read they'd be very upset.

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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace 10 points 4 months ago

We the people don't matter to this government.

I tried emailing my mp on multiple occasion and never got so much as an automated response

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panda_abyss 4 points 4 months ago

Mine has written me back personalized responses.

Varies by MP.

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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace 2 points 4 months ago

Who's your MP?

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panda_abyss 2 points 4 months ago

I do not want to disclose what riding I live in.

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panda_abyss 9 points 4 months ago

I’m writing my MP, this is important.

This bill is fucking wrong. I don’t care if you think teens shouldn’t have access to porn, THIS bill as written is not the way.

All this bill will do is funnel that pen you watch directly to the US government and corporations.

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OrteilGenou 3 points 4 months ago

We the people is an American thing.

You're a subject, knave.

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tleb 27 points 4 months ago

Age verification would be fine if it was an OAuth type thing - I sign in with the government on the government's website, they report back that I have the 18+ grant. I don't know why they're going in this direction of just requiring that private companies collect a bunch of personal information to "verify" me

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nik282000 16 points 4 months ago

Is there anything to stop the government side from compiling a list of users and the sites that request verification? Because that just makes a centralized target for hacking or internal crime. There's got to be a way that allows for both verification and zero trust :/

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JasonDJ 18 points 4 months ago

I mean...yeah...but it sounds really bad on the surface.

Crypto. Namely, certificates or smartcards.

Imagine if your driver's license were a smartcard. It'd essentially just be a cryptographic key pair that asserts that you are "you" because the card says you are and you both have the card and know the unlock PIN.

Now, that sounds like the government could easily track you, but not quite. All that really matters is that the certificate is valid. Not expired, not revoked, and there is a mutual trust in a third party (the issuer).

This doesn't require a query to the issuer. It can, and should, i.e. using OCSP or CRLs. CRLs, in particular, are a bit better here...instead of the service going back to the issuer and saying "is this certificate still good", instead, the issuer periodically publishes a list of all revoked serial numbers that get downloaded by anybody who wants them.

The important thing is, the service provider (i.e. the website) never has to ask about you by name. They know you are you, because you possess your private keys, and they trust that the issuer of your certificate (a corresponding public key, signed by the issuers private key) is thorough in verifying your identity.

I think a mutual-third-party trust model (basically, certificates) is about as good as it can get. I don't think you can verify without trust. That's not how the proverb goes. Not at all.

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teyrnon 9 points 4 months ago

If age verification was an inevitability, you might be right here. I do not think we should accept age verification as an inevitability. This is a cynical attempt to 1984 us.

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JasonDJ 6 points 4 months ago

I really do feel that there should be an official means to verify your identity online. And it 100% should not be this shady bullshit we are being sold of uploading a video of your face and drivers license. Government-issued cryptographic identifies are about as good as you can get for something thats universally trusted (enough) to issue and validate IDs. That's...kind of their thing.

But...it needs to be reserved for when you need to do "official" stuff, like accessing your health records, banks, interacting with the government, signing forms as legally required, signing emails (at senders discretion), etc.

Needing to provide your ID to shitpost on reddit or search yandex for femboy dwarves is a bridge too far.

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nik282000 5 points 4 months ago

Seems reasonable. Lets see how our political dinosaurs fuck it up!

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prodigalsorcerer 4 points 4 months ago

That has the same issue as a lot of privacy-protecting age verification services, which is that there's never actually a moment when someone verifies that you are you.

Like, if someone sold their key and password to a few people, it would still work everywhere and there would be no obvious reason for the key to be revoked. All it takes is one poorly implemented (or malicious) website to capture everyone's keys and passwords, and then they sell them to kids.

I don't think there's a way to avoid that issue. You can either implement privacy or verifiability, but not both, and governments are going to trend towards verifiability.

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JasonDJ 2 points 4 months ago

This just demonstrates a common misconception of smartcards. The private keys are non exportable. They never leave the card. They can't. Leaving the card destroys them.

The PIN may be compromised, but without physically having the card, the PIN is worthless. Likewise, without the PIN, the card is worthless. You have to have both.

Now, yeah, people could sell them...but the only people who would are the very same whose identity is already practically "worthless" (in the capitalist sense) to begin with, so the market sort of solves itself there. If a person's identity were of any value, they wouldn't need to sell it.

It can be used for authentication, but it should be thought of more as a signature (but in many ways more secure and verifiable)

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panda_abyss 1 point 4 months ago

There should be no reason that any website gets access to your private key.

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DiarrheaSommelier 4 points 4 months ago

This is the way. There are many cryptographic ways to make this possible without sharing any personal or usage information with any party. Too bad our legislators as a group are too fucking stupid to understand any tech more complicated than two cans with a string.

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JasonDJ 4 points 4 months ago

Such is the problem. IME, most people in tech can't wrap their heads around PKI, I have zero faith in legislatures to do so.

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ILikeBoobies 10 points 4 months ago

Or just the next government comes in and targets gay/trans people based on the websites they use.

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Sunshine 6 points 4 months ago

Regulate algorithms, beef up moderation and dns filtering is the proper way to protect kids.

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runsmooth 26 points 4 months ago

I think with recent news of the data leak of Alberta voters information, it goes without saying that age verification, and the data leak that will follow, is part of the design.

https://www.cbc.ca/...

https://kopitalk.net/...

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brax 25 points 4 months ago

Lmao, what a waste of tax dollars. Like, it's been a complete failure in the other countries that have lobotomized themselves and done it - yeah we should do it too! What could possibly go wrong?

...idiots

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ipkpjersi 15 points 4 months ago

So much for the liberals not banning porn like the conservatives wanted to lmao

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No_Eponym 4 points 4 months ago

Carny is the second coming of Harper, a rich right wing Catholic on record thinking it is good for politicians to be guided by their religious beliefs, get ready for all sorts of morality policing and bootstrap promoting.

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jerkface 12 points 4 months ago

i'm not saying this isn't BAD but honestly it's hard to care that much because the internet i care about is already dead, anyway. we need to build our own mesh network

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ipkpjersi 4 points 4 months ago

Honestly, you're not wrong.

Try and find a country not doing this or something almost the same, I'll wait.

Literally every country is trying to pull this shit in 2026.

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kent_eh 6 points 4 months ago

Literally every country is trying to pull this shit in 2026.

That doesn't mean it isn't a bad idea that is being poorly implemented and will absolutely have massive privacy implications.

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jerkface 5 points 4 months ago

I bet NOW people are gonna care about that. After a lifetime of Facebook/Linkd-In etc, Foursquare/Strava/etc, unencrypted email, plaintext passwords, actual decades of never once creating a GPG key, using public WIFI, sticking passwords to monitors, and using "password" as a password, this is gonna be the straw that breaks the camel's back...

Privacy is DEAD. Just wait until every camera in public is also generating a constant stream of AI observations.

I don't even care about privacy (per se) anymore, I want just non-commercial spaces. You can see my ass if you want, I will gladly trade privacy for expression in a place I'm not being exploited by capital.

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a_gee_dizzle 1 point 4 months ago

How can we build a mesh network for the internet?

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a_gee_dizzle 8 points 4 months ago

So at this point I guess there's no point in Manitoba implementing this. There's no use in the province going through all the work and doing all this when the federal government is going to do it anyway

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Sunshine 13 points 4 months ago

If we thought the recent explosion of scams was bad enough, oh boy are we in for a rude awakening after this passes.

The leaks of ids and face mappings would be through the roof.

Imagine the chaos those albertan separatists are gonna cause with this and the electoral list.

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a_gee_dizzle 3 points 4 months ago

Imagine the chaos those albertan separatists are gonna cause with this and the electoral list.

What’s up with the electoral list?

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Sunshine 5 points 4 months ago

It looks like a mla has leaked the list to a third party.

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kent_eh 4 points 4 months ago

It looks like a mla has leaked the list to a third party

Specifically to the separatist lobby.

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Malyca 6 points 4 months ago

Funny how coordinated this global surveillance movement is. Almost enough to lend credence to tin foil conspiracies.

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Cataphract 4 points 4 months ago

Had the same wtf thinking how this is going down globally. Like America's situation currently, totally get it. But, everyday it seems another government is pushing this regardless of the political spectrum that supposedly exists.

Really curious why I'm not seeing more articles about the individuals in legislation that are pushing this and what funding/lobbying they're receiving. There has to be multiple common threads because politicians aren't commonly "in the know" of current tech unless someones whispering a direction in their ear.

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GuyIncognito 5 points 4 months ago

So I'm gonna have to go on the darkweb to see pictures of naked milves?

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HertzDentalBar 2 points 4 months ago

They will track that to, we're going to need to go back to Gutenberg presses

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ProudCanadianCitizen 4 points 4 months ago

Now let us find out if indeed they can and will enforce it.

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ipkpjersi 1 point 4 months ago

I mean, look at some US states for an example of this.

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ProudCanadianCitizen 2 points 4 months ago

Ummm, you mean the country that tries to protect their youth from being morally corrupted yet allowing school massacres to run rampant? Almost one school shooting per day.

Porn corrupts, but guns kill.

https://intellisee.com/...

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ipkpjersi 1 point 3 months ago

I mean, you're not gonna find me defending that country or the orange man.

However, I will say that unfortunately both their data collection and the resulting site blocks are both very effective for what they want to achieve, as much as I hate that.

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recklessengagement 3 points 4 months ago

*identity verification

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ProudCanadianCitizen 1 point 4 months ago

Enforced individual rights will eventually always cede to enforced collective responsibility. Those who supply services will be forced to collectively ensure their responsibility to protect the rights of the individual.

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