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lankydryness 101 points 5 months ago

Plus, buying a PC that isn't Copilot+ PC capable makes little sense these days, as you miss out on features like semantic search, Click To Do, and even Windows Recall.

I have to disagree, I’d pick a PC without copilot any day. 8GB RAM though is not it

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Korhaka 25 points 5 months ago

Pretty sure my partner is still happy with 4GB. We don't all need to run several LLMs or 2 chrome tabs.

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thedormantotaku 21 points 5 months ago

4 GB works decent on Linux. I have been using an old laptop with 4 GB RAM since the HP folks said it would take them 20 days to repair my primary laptop. I installed cachyos on it and yeah it works fine for web browsing, office work and all.

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DarkSideOfTheMoon 3 points 5 months ago

Installed an SSD and Linux Mint XFCE in a old notebook (2012) with 4GB of RAM and works like a charm

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wltr 3 points 5 months ago

Can confirm. Not very good, but it’s pretty usable once you remember it’s limited and keep your browser tabs to some sane amount.

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thedormantotaku 2 points 5 months ago

On helium browser, I can get around 10 tabs without lagging. Though I am not a tab hoarder and usually have less than 5 tabs so its fine.

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Korhaka 2 points 5 months ago

Done 60FPS gaming on a laptop with less than 4GB of RAM before too.

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RedFrank24 68 points 5 months ago

8GB RAM isn't even enough to run Teams + Windows 11 on corporate PCs, not with all the other bullshit they make you install.

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prole 13 points 5 months ago

Lol I just checked my RAM usage on my work laptop, literally nothing running besides Teams (and whatever else my work has going on in the background) and it's over 9GB

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Whelks_chance 4 points 5 months ago

It's a good thing for the OS to use as much RAM as available. Why pay for ram if you're not going to use it?

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Corporal_Punishment 8 points 5 months ago

It is. But having the RAM running at a constant high load just slows everything down.

Also, teams being so badly optimised that it needs that much to run is just bullshit

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FreedomAdvocate 1 point 5 months ago

No it doesn’t. It only slows down when it’s completely full and has to use swap files.

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daniskarma 1 point 5 months ago

Does it? Theoretically it shouldn't slow down just because high ram usage unless you are truly fulling it and RAM needs to constantly free stuff.

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prole 2 points 5 months ago

Ok, but we were talking about running Windows on 8GB RAM

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FreedomAdvocate 1 point 5 months ago

Yes, that’s how RAM works. Unused RAM is wasted RAM. Ideally you want to be using almost all of it all the time. Of you’re not, what’s the point of having it? 64GB of ram is pointless if you only ever use 20GB.

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JasonDJ 8 points 5 months ago

Minimum for our Windows PCs is 32gb. Largely because security doesn't want to reel in their shit. It's still not enough.

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bridgeenjoyer 0 points 5 months ago

My computer uses 32 GB at idle. Even 64 GB is hardly enough for all the shit I do and the security bloatware on top of win11 being dogshit

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altkey 2 points 5 months ago

Anecdotal, so don't trust my word on that.

I was surprised, but Windows 10 seems to adapt to amount of RAM availiable and it even tries to function on 4GB systems while leaving some space for programs user needs. On 8GB it gets to use more resources itself. And on 16+ it doesn't change anymore.

I suspect it is their MO to convince the 7/8 users for the initial free-of-charge switch.

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warmaster 54 points 5 months ago

lol, this is hilarious. A problem of their own doing in every single aspect.

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Pondis 47 points 5 months ago

I don't know, a laptop that can't run AI tools sounds good to me.

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tempest 32 points 5 months ago

Problem is it also can't run chrome and Windows at the same time.

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Pondis 35 points 5 months ago

I was already sold on it, you don't need to convince me more.

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scuppie 15 points 5 months ago

Help! I'm being threatened with a good time!

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Hettyc_Tracyn 8 points 5 months ago

I would just put Linux on it instead lol

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1984 1 point 5 months ago

That's a solution, not a problem.

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4am 43 points 5 months ago

Oh my god can the worlds dumbest gold rush finally be over please?

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halfapage 11 points 5 months ago
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Krudler 1 point 5 months ago

I seriously think that whole effort is toast

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Signtist 27 points 5 months ago

Pretty hilarious that in pursuing AI we made it so that we can't even build the computers to use it anymore.

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jaybone 5 points 5 months ago

Or have jobs to afford to use it, once they figure out they have to start charging for it.

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ServantOfRa 16 points 5 months ago

That catch 22 sure is a doosie

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thedeadwalking4242 11 points 5 months ago

In recent news windows can no longer run on surface laptops

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Treczoks 9 points 5 months ago

Solving problems they should not have introduced in the first place...

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altphoto 6 points 5 months ago

This is hilarious. They're gonna implode. The market can wait around for a year to see if prices will come down.

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RedWeasel 4 points 5 months ago

In related news, Intel announces they a bringing back 10nm. /jk

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sp3ctr4l 4 points 5 months ago

See now this, this is what you call 'long term strategic thinking'.

... from your... mind bicycle... that ... is only for entertainment purposes... and is also your entire operating system.

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Mwa 3 points 5 months ago

buying a PC that isn't Copilot+ PC capable makes little sense these days, as you miss out on features like semantic search, Click To Do, and even Windows Recall.

I wonder if you can use Ollama and get something similar on Linux/Non-Copilot+ PCS, I dont see the point in NPUS though. (Click To Do only searches with edge and bing which i dont like,Semantic search i didnt do mucn research but sounds cool,And Recall was heavily criticised when it was first revealed.)

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sp3ctr4l 2 points 5 months ago

I've been locally running Qwen 3 and lately Qwen 3.5 on my SteamDeck for over a year now.

That's an APU, which is basically an NPU but can do more things and is less expensive, pretty sure that's what those acronyms mean.

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