[Video] Dutch police violently assault pregnant German wife of a Palestinian refugee and then attack the Palestinian after he defends his wife

5 months ago by IndustryStandard to c/thepoliceproblem

Archangel1313 107 points 5 months ago

What the actual fuck? The dude with the dog needs to be brought up in charges, and the rest need to be suspended. That was completely uncalled for.

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Sanctus 50 points 5 months ago

Just thought he'd cause a fucken miscarriage because a pregnant woman shoo'd away another pig's grip.

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Hell_nah_brother 10 points 5 months ago

No charges. Baldy needs to be hanged and stoned.

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Teacrumble -48 points 5 months ago

Dog dude is being clearly neglectful, but the others were fine imo, they were in the process of arresting him, and the guy did resist arrest to go punch that cop

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pipi1234 47 points 5 months ago

Did you not just see a policeman grab and throw his pregnant wife to the ground?

Would you not react to your pregnant wife being assaulted like that!?

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Teacrumble -38 points 5 months ago

Yeah.. the cop was being too agressive and pulled her to the ground..

Does that give you the right to go punch him? Are we fighting for womens honor again? She wasn’t in any danger was she? Or was the cop going to sic the dog on her?

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ZombiFrancis 39 points 5 months ago

Pregnant woman thrown to ground:

She wasn’t in any danger was she?

The kind of goldfish brained, unhinged realities people live in...

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noxypaws 11 points 5 months ago

Does that give you the right to go punch him?

Yes.

She wasn’t in any danger was she?

She was.

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Gorgritch_umie_killa 9 points 5 months ago

Once violence is escalated different reactions need to be expected and countered appropriately to de-escalate. Its not defending womens honour, there are two highly unequal groups interacting here, which exposes the weak group (the couple) to greater risk of duress.

The cop escalated unpredictably and violently with little the others doing in the moments between to reduce that threat. The other implicitly gave their acceptance of this new level of violence and unpredictability in those fractional moments. Due to the disparity in power between the cops and the couple that escalation and those few moments become extremely dangerous.

The situation would have been very different if one of the other cops had checked the dog guy and told him to take a walk down the hall a few paces. Breaking that momentary rush of blood to the head is often all thats needed to halt severe forms of violence occuring.

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Hell_nah_brother 12 points 5 months ago

Neglectful? Either you don’t know what the word means or you are a 🐖🚓 I go for the second one.

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Teacrumble -24 points 5 months ago

He was totally in the right to pull her away, she should have been removed from that situation before the guy even started filming. That should be obvious to any reasonable person.

But the guy was wayyy to aggressive and threw/tripped her (neglecting her safety)

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Hell_nah_brother 12 points 5 months ago

WE FOUND THE HOG. OIK OIK 🐽 pathetic

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shirasho 12 points 5 months ago

This was intentional escalation. That is NOT how you police. The guy put himself and his team in an unnecessarily dangerous situation.

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join 90 points 5 months ago

I read some dutch news articles on this, and the propaganda is just insane. They all just quote the police spokesperson:

“The woman was pulled after which she fell to the ground”

“The police wanted to act quickly in a dynamic situation”

“The video only shows a part of the story”

“We have to look at the exact order of events”

But the good news: the police is gonna do an internal investigation.

The police is just a legal gang that protects the property rights of the elite.

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IndustryStandard 43 points 5 months ago

"We have opened an investigation. Please stop asking questions"

6 months later:

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mrdown 5 points 5 months ago

They don't even bother saying that. The investigations probably never happen to begin with

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mrdown 8 points 5 months ago

The video only shows a part of the story”

There is many of those idiots on lemmy in fuckinginsanevideos. It is always used stricly when it is about Palestine

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kungen 7 points 5 months ago

“The video only shows a part of the story”

Do people really eat up that shit? Even if she was making threats for example, that's still not an acceptable escalation to throw her onto the floor like that.

The guy was probably used to treating his wife like that when she talks back, classic.

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Heyting 6 points 4 months ago

A few months ago there was a video of a Dutch police officer kicking a hijabi woman in the stomach without provocation. The police “investigated” itself and concluded that the violence was justified. There is no accountability for police there.

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psycocan 0 points 5 months ago
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Pat_Riot 74 points 5 months ago

ACAB

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LadyMeow 27 points 5 months ago

I was going to say, you can say that again, so I will!

ACAB

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A_Random_Idiot 57 points 5 months ago

Is there anyplace in the world that doesnt have lowest common denominators just itching to brutalize and murder in positions of law enforcement?

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kryptonianCodeMonkey 15 points 5 months ago

If you want to know what kind of people will be in a job, on average, consider what the job incentivizes and how that might appeal to the motives of different kinds of people.

Law enforcement ostensibly promotes an image of community service and protection. So you will find people that wish to do those things seeking to become police officers.

But the reality is that police work itself, policies, and legal protections for officers is far more focused on the state sanctioned use of force, the strict adherence to laws for citizenry but far more lax enforcement on officers themselves, and the authority of command given to officers in interactions with them. So for someone who wants to posture as a tough guy, to dominate over people with legal authority, to commit acts of violence with little, if any, consequence for themselves or recourse for he victim, and to remain in good standing in much of society because of the aforementioned promoted image, it serves those desires too.

And due to the us vs them mentality, the lack of liability, and the tight community formed just within law enforcement and those who work directly with them (prosecutors/DAs, judges, mayors, etc) that do not hold each other accountable unless they do something to violate that community (like reporting abuse of authority, excessive force, gross negligence, etc. on fellow officers), then the police culture itself incentives pushing out the cops with good intentions that may stir up "trouble" in the community in favor of those who will allow or actively propagate corruption and collusion.

If a job incentivizes and/or protects aggression, violence, and pretty crime, don't be shocked when it's full of aggressive, violent, petty criminals.

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EvasiveSpecies 12 points 5 months ago

"Male bullies become cops, female bullies become nurses" is something I hear often and it makes sense. Power over vulnerable people attracts these specimen. Are ALL in these professions like that? Of course not but probably a higher average than in other fields.

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Typhoon 7 points 5 months ago

That's how they got the job.

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Zombie 6 points 5 months ago

Nowhere that has hierarchy, and therefore power and wealth held in the hands of a few to pay others to commit violence on their behalf.

But who are the police and the soldiers who protect the capitalists against you, against the people?

If they were capitalists themselves, then it would stand to reason why they want to protect the wealth they have stolen, and why they try to keep up, even by force, the system that gives them the privilege of robbing the people.

But the police and the soldiers, the defenders of ‘law and order’, are not of the capitalist class. They are men from the ranks of the people, poor men who for pay protect the very system that keeps them poor. It is unbelievable, is it not? Yet it is true. It just comes down to this: some of the slaves protect their masters in keeping them and the rest of the people in slavery. In the same way Great Britain, for instance, keeps the Hindoos in India in subjection by a police force of the natives, of the Hindoos themselves. Or as Belgium does with the black men in the Congo. Or as any government does with a subjugated people.

It is the same system.

Here is what it amounts to: Capitalism robs and exploits the whole of the people; the laws legalize and uphold this capitalist robbery; the government uses one part of the people to aid and protect the capitalists in robbing the whole of the people. The entire thing is kept up by educating the people to believe that capitalism is right, that the law is just, and that the government must be obeyed. Do you see through this game now?

from Now and After by Alexander Berkman, Chapter 3: Law and Government. Available to read for free here.

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Gammelfisch 3 points 5 months ago

Perhaps, Japan...

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k0e3 6 points 4 months ago

Honestly, I rarely hear about the police here in Japan doing anything too crooked. On the other hand, I hear stories about foreigners being a target of "random questioning," online. There's probably a good amount of bias on both sides.

However, even if they weren't crooked or violent, they're still—in the end—our government's lapdogs and I wouldn't trust them to protect the people over them.

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Jimmycrackcrack 4 points 4 months ago

I've heard some dodgy stuff about their conviction rates and tendency to stitch people up but I've not really read in to it.

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k0e3 2 points 4 months ago

Actually, now that you mention it, I have heard of that conviction rate issue, and I sorta have experience with it too.

This is strictly anecdotal (I just learned about the term "anecdata," lol), so take it with a grain of salt, but I do feel like the prosecutors I work with seem quite concerned about getting the accused to admit to the crime. I think it might be because of the nature of the crime—usually something really stupid like DUI, assault, public nuisance, or trespassing with lots of evidence. I think it has less to do with keeping the conviction rate up than the prosecutor not wanting to waste time and resources handing out prison sentences. First-time offenders tend to get away with lower fines and summary trials if they just tell the truth and admit to their crimes, apparently.

The point of my comment is not to defend the Japanese police. In the end, I don't trust them just like how I don't trust any authority.

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Herr_S_aus_H 1 point 4 months ago

There have been cases where it seemed that the japanese police, prosecutors and judges where more interested to send the first person to jail they had get a hold of although they knew they were innocent just because the police and courts are always right.

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Dasus 3 points 5 months ago

Nope.

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grue 51 points 5 months ago

Attempted murder of the fetus by the cop and justified defense of other by the husband.

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Brummbaer 46 points 5 months ago

The EU is not far from the US in many aspects. The actions are just more subtile and the propaganda is better.

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MagnificentSteiner 14 points 5 months ago

Yep, EU jingoism is on the rise. There's unfortunately quite a lot of it here on Lemmy. It reminds me of the tankies - America bad so EU must be good.

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architect 3 points 5 months ago

Nah yall are just ten years behind like always.

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Vinylraupe -2 points 5 months ago

Yeah, propaganda yourself out of that....

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Brummbaer 5 points 5 months ago

Please, explain to me what you mean?

I never said it's as bad as in the US, but I have worked with immigrants and I have seen things.

Also there is a lot of normalisation going on. Here is a good example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86vpq42dl0o

That is an article from not even a month ago. The EU operates it's border forces more at the exterior, but they are there doing all kinds of things that are violating humans rights daily.

The EU is not that shining beacon of liberty that most people think it is. It's a bunch of nation states that do nation state things.

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Vinylraupe 5 points 5 months ago

What i wanted to say was: How can you propaganda yourself out of that?

A policeman walks to a pregnant woman and pulls her and she falls on the ground. On her back luckily.

Even if you cite the most niche law that somehow justifies this i will side with the woman.

Even the dog thought that was a bad idea.

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Brummbaer 5 points 5 months ago

I totally misunderstood your comment, sorry.

Most people won't see it and if this can't be put under the rug you will have a lot of newspapers who will happily come up with excuses why this was necessary.

The constant stream of "Muslims equals terrorists, most Palestinians are Muslims, therefore they are terrorists" helps a lot there.

And people want to be on the majority side which they identify as "good".

Also you shouldn't underestimate the fear factor. If people admit that this was unnecessary police violence, they suddenly realise that nothing is stopping the police of doing that to them. So to calm their anxiety they will either say " immigrants, they shouldn't be here in the first place" or "there must be more to that story, that we don't see/know".

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texture 41 points 5 months ago

I've seen so many police brutality videos. They never get easier. Fuck.

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lemonSqueezy -12 points 5 months ago

Agree, there are absolutely horrible police systems, same as there are horrible people everywhere. The other side is also true, There are honorable police officers doing honorable work in many systems, protecting society like it's their own family. Let's not forget about that. I feel that the horrible systems get more media coverage, therefore pooling the good cops with the bad ones. Nobody covers all the times a cop takes down a dangerous person that poses an immediate threat to someone else. There are no cameras around when a cop takes down a guy who just beat up his wife.

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queermunist 15 points 5 months ago

If the problem is with the system, then it doesn't matter if an individual person is good or bad. Good people working within horrible systems still do horrible things. They can't do honorable work because that literally is not their job.

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texture 3 points 5 months ago

well said

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texture 7 points 5 months ago

no, horrible cops and horrible people are not equivalent. the profession is tainted, all cops are bastards.

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douglasg14b 33 points 5 months ago

ACAB applies globally

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Resonosity 32 points 5 months ago

Literally fuck all cops everywhere.

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Hell_nah_brother 25 points 5 months ago

This is insane what the fuck. Thank god I left that shithole.

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CrowAirbrush 7 points 5 months ago

Where'd you go? I'm looking to leave, I recently researched a place in Italy where 350k could buy me a 520m2 villa while here in the Netherlands I can't even afford the smallest apartments that are now crossing the 400k mark.

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Zombie 14 points 5 months ago path: 0 24011995 24013561 24016167, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 1
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Hell_nah_brother 8 points 5 months ago

There is no escape to capitalism. You can maybe escape west fascism by moving to some part of Asia (no Japan or bad Korea). Please don’t inflate Italian housing market, it’s already catastrophic for our purchasing power.

for the hogs: I live in via della Camiluccia in Rome. Come and get me fuckfaces.

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CrowAirbrush 2 points 4 months ago

My family is Italian, I'd love to return there and enjoy my hard earned money. Instead of living the life of a part time worker that's on food stamps while I work 50h a week, can't afford a car and commute on a bicycle for 50km per day.

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MashedTech 0 points 5 months ago

Why do the Dutch have this air of exclusivity and superiority about them?

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Hell_nah_brother 5 points 5 months ago

Money + racism.

“Dam, if I do have so much money clearly it means I’m so much better than anyone else. Everyone else is wrong, my country is perfect.”

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kryptonianCodeMonkey 22 points 5 months ago

The guys with the police dogs are always so twitchy and violent. It's like they absorb their own dog's attack training.

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Mulligrubs 19 points 5 months ago

I thought the Dutch were the reasonable ones

Did I see one of those cops yanking on the woman's hair? Jesus, buddy

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Soggy 14 points 4 months ago

The A stands for "all" not "American".

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itsjustachairmary 9 points 4 months ago

Cops are cops and Dutch cops are horrible cunts as well

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Bamboodpanda 7 points 4 months ago

Authoritarian tendencies are not confined by national borders. They can emerge through institutions, political movements, and social attitudes that concentrate power, discourage dissent, or weaken accountability. Because such tendencies can become more difficult to address once entrenched, they should be recognized and challenged early through lawful, democratic means.

Public officials who abuse their authority should face timely accountability through transparent processes that respect due process and the rule of law.

Organizations should also be cautious of developing insular "good old boy" networks or cultures where loyalty is valued above fairness, competence, or transparency. Such environments can foster groupthink, favoritism, and an unhealthy us-versus-them mentality.

Healthy institutions depend on accountability, openness to criticism, and a willingness to apply the same standards to allies and opponents alike.

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minorkeys 3 points 4 months ago

You don't go into a job that requires you to be violent towards other humans because you don't want to be violent towards other human.

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nuko147 16 points 5 months ago

ACAB

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BarneyPiccolo 5 points 4 months ago

ACAB Everywhere

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lena 16 points 5 months ago

Fucking pieces of shit. Lowest of the low. I hope he lives a miserable life and dies alone.

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CMDR_Horn 9 points 5 months ago

Afd fuck

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Vinylraupe 11 points 5 months ago

Dutch police.

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whyNotSquirrel 3 points 5 months ago

close enough

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Gammelfisch 9 points 5 months ago

Are the Dutch hiring ICE agents or a football hooligans?

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IndustryStandard 3 points 5 months ago

Yes

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liking625 8 points 4 months ago

what kind of soulless piece of scum can throw a pregnant woman to the floor risking an abortion? Hope the worst for that subhuman.

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BarneyPiccolo 6 points 4 months ago

Weapons, dogs, tons of power, and the only way this Neanderthal can think to handle the situation is to throw a greatly pregnant woman violently to the ground.

ACAB Everywhere.

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Avicenna 5 points 4 months ago

Ofcourse there will be no accountability. If there was they wouldn't be able to fill their ranks with people that have fragile egos who are ok with following any order so long as they can compansate for their lack of personality by beating people with out any consequences.

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Prikkeres 4 points 5 months ago

WTF!?!

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BeardededSquidward 3 points 4 months ago

She refused an order, time to throw her around like a rag doll. ACAB.

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Weges -5 points 5 months ago

Looks like a bad apple issue, one doesn’t deal with the tension well at all and then the rest has to deal with that fallout. I mean, just look at their reactions to their colleagues’ action; gawking in disbelief and late in response to the man’s retaliation.

I get the US police problem, but that shit doesn’t do well for Dutch police officers.

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Schmoo 13 points 5 months ago

The complete phrase is "one bad apple spoils the bunch." Just because the US police are particularly awful doesn't mean other countries' police don't also have systemic issues or that they aren't problematic institutions in general.

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Typotyper 6 points 5 months ago

Doesn't it seem strange there are 5 cops at a hospital and one of those cops is a canine unit.

Maybe there is more to the story

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lostbit 2 points 5 months ago

they where responding to an call where somebody was wielding a knife

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IndustryStandard 5 points 5 months ago

Reaction from the police spokesperson linked by a commenter indicates they see no problem with this.

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plant 2 points 5 months ago

Me when I'm a class traitor too

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psycocan -6 points 5 months ago

Nazi German pigs

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HugeNerd -7 points 5 months ago

Canadians want to join the EU, don't forget

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M0oP0o 7 points 5 months ago

Still better then the us, or for that matter our own police.

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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