Is it safe to organize online?

4 months ago by Cleo ☭ to c/communism

I am starting to organize w/ my friends IRL, but we also need to communicate with each other and other people further away (that we cant meet regularly). Since a year ago i got interested in privacy oriented messagging apps such as Briar or DeltaChat, we have been using the latter. But i still am unsure if it is safe to organize and communicate to other people my thoughts on how to organize better and grow as a movement. I know there have been CIA operations to infiltrate leftist movements (like COINTELPRO or more recent stuff like the 5 police officers of antiterrorism found in 5 different Autorganized Universitary Collectives here in Italy). I know that there also could be spyware on phones and idk if the app can really make communications safe. Is writing a document on this computer (even with GNU/Linux) safe? sorry if i couldn't explain myself. sorry for the disturb.

thanks alot :3

P.S (edit)

By "organizing" i mean sharing to people online the idea and direction including plans as to the growth and work of the organization.

yogthos 15 points 4 months ago

There are two separate concerns to think about here. First, is infiltration where bad actors join the organization. This is a difficult problem to address since it's an issue of trust. You should vet people who join, but there's only so much you can do there. It's valuable to read up on how the Bolsheviks handled this problem incidentally where they created a system forcing these agent provocateurs to provide genuinely useful work to survive.

In terms of communication, I would absolutely do that offline. There is no real benefit to doing any serious organizing online, and people shouldn't even bring their phones or electronic devices when meeting in person. That's by far the safest option. Online places make sense for agitation and recruitment, but not for any serious work.

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TiredTiger 10 points 4 months ago

I agree that anything of import should be handled offline. So much lax security relies on the idea that you're too small of a fish to be a target. By the time that changes, it may be too late if you've left too much of a trail - an adversary could have already mapped out the connections between everyone in your group. At this point, I think everyone in the west should include a hostile government adversary as part of their threat modeling.

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CleoCommunist 3 points 4 months ago

I edited the post.

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yogthos 6 points 4 months ago

I would put that under agitation, promoting the org and getting people interested is very much a legitimate use of online resources. You have to meet the people where they're at.

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CleoCommunist 1 point 4 months ago

alr.

there is a problem though, after we get people in this org we need them to organize and it will happen that we have to communicate things that don't count as agitation. The problem is that i cant always go meet these people directly since there will be people far away. i have a solution to this, but i do first need to know how to not have infiltrations.

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Pissed 8 points 4 months ago
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umbrella 6 points 4 months ago
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HerbalGamer 5 points 4 months ago

Might want to pop over to the darknet if you're that worried about anonimity.

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CleoCommunist 3 points 4 months ago

Nono, anonimity is not the Problem.

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bacon_pdp 5 points 4 months ago
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CleoCommunist 1 point 4 months ago

sorry, but what is SeLinux?

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bacon_pdp 1 point 4 months ago
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CleoCommunist 1 point 4 months ago

Ah in the kernel.

And since that it should be like doeable without opening the computer, alr.

I already talked Abt intel ME with a friend so there Is no problem with that

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bacon_pdp 1 point 4 months ago
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chobeat 5 points 4 months ago

You will have the structure to rework your own cybersecurity stack much earlier than you will attract the interest of any authority. It's much harder to build an organization that has even a little crumb of impact than it is to secure your communication channels. Focus on the first.

An organization with secure communication and no impact is impossible to fix. An organization with a lot of impact and insecure communication: it's a few days/months of focused work to fix.

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CleoCommunist 1 point 4 months ago

alr, ty

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fatur0000new 3 points 4 months ago
  • Use Libreboot or (if you can) Canoeboot.
  • Use Linux OS like Debian or (if you can) Trisquel.
  • Encrypt your OS.
  • Don't use iphone and avoid using smartphone unless it uses Replicant or something like DivestOS.
  • Use technology such as sandbox or (better) virtual machine.

I am sorry if my english is bad.

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CleoCommunist 1 point 4 months ago

Your English is perfect, dont worry.

I shouldn't use the phone in organizing matters, right?

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