Europeans Are Quiet Quitting the United States
22 days ago by EatingOnions to c/europe
Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO countries that continue to support Ukraine, and the coalition of the willing.
USA may help with things that cost them nothing, but as it is now, USA is profiteering extra from it's allies on weapon deliveries to Ukraine.
Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
USA has been zero help since Trump became president, where USA actually has helped Russia more, for instance allowing them full access to Starlink. Which was finally ended earlier this year.
Fuck USA!!
They made their 'allies' pay a 10% surcharge... and then spent the ammunition on a fruitless war with Iran instead. So, no, they are not sending weapons or ammunition any more.
Just a couple of lines below:
Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
So no, even when profiteering extra from it, USA is unreliable.
Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!
France providing majority of intelligence for Ukraine
Also US stopped all ait to Ukraine since Trump took office, and even withheld some thst was allocated under Biden
Then he put tariffs on it so Europe has to pay more
Then US stopped sending even those already paid for
Looks like the US is still fighting much of the war, but the EU is financing it.
In December, Budanov said Kyiv remained critically dependent on Washington for intelligence, including satellite imagery and early warning systems for ballistic missile launches.
A French defence ministry official also declined to comment directly on the president’s claims, but said much of the intelligence France provides is technical in nature.
Despite strained relations between Washington and Kyiv, there has been no indication that the United States has sharply reduced its intelligence support for Ukraine.
Europe finances 100%, but how much is used to buy weapons from the US? 50%?
The 34 countries of the Coalition of the Willing are financing “100 percent” of the resources granted to Kyiv, including financial support, Macron said.
The US hasn't stopped all weapon delivery.
VP said stopping US aid to Ukraine is their proudest achievement
Well, I'd rather believe Macron than your speculations. I think it's pretty clear EU and allies cover all weapons purchases for Ukraine since Trump took office so nearly 2 years now I don't understand what are you arguing about? It's pretty clear and well documented
The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity as the communications were not public, said several European countries will be affected, including in the Baltic region and in Scandinavia.
Some of the weapons in question were purchased by European countries under the Foreign Military Sales program, or FMS, but have not yet been delivered, the sources added.
How convenient they stopped weapon deliveries to countries bordering and closest to russia, Trump would never...
Yes
Has the USA stopped delivering weapons and stopped doing reconnaissance?
Has the USA ever stopped making their money first and then let it look as if they were delivering weapons and helpful goods?
This goes back to America's eventual involvement in WW2, which occured only after the UK let America raid all its patents and tech. Very mercenary.
As usual, I like the understated tone and visibility of European long term policy. No big announcement, no statement, just small decisions that change the landscape over time. Once you see the full picture, everything is already in place.
Makes sense. You can't win by announcing anything because Trumps ego is too easily bruised, any deal you do make with him can be null and void a week later and if, at some point, there are adults in the room again, you will be in a better negotiating position.
Never thought about it like that. I think the unanimous voting system could really require policy makers to push things in small increments that can easily be overseen and are often hard to decypher. I've always seen as unnecessary rigidity. But I guess it really does have its benefits. Thanks for the change in perspective!
It also gives some boundaries what can be done. Single lunatic voted in can't do unlimited damage before next election. But it's not a "hard rule", even big changes can be made somewhat quickly if there's sufficient majority behind the change, there just very rarely is. Also, small changes are easier to sell to their peers, so slow and steady changes are kind of built in to the system from the ground up.
"Single lunatic voted in" did a lot of damage exactly through unanimous vote. That's how Orban stopped a lot of good things.
Unanimous vote can work with a group of maybe 5. With more than that and you always will have too much bickering and blocking.
I'm both quiet and loud about it
I was pleasantly surprised to learn recently that a bunch of my friends have also removed most american products from their lives. one friend just buys whatever suits his needs, and moves on. but most of the rest of us in that group have made a conscious choice to not buy american products and/or choose Canadian products instead, without it impacting our lives in any noticeable negative way (cost, availability, quality, etc)
I think the largest impact this has had on me is that the closest grocery store to me has a shitty selection of pickles, it's still half Bick's and I'd rather not have pickles than buy american pickles
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How do you quiet quit a country that you don't live in? I'm not planning to travel to the United States anytime soon but I'm worried that they will not understand that I'm boycotting them and will think I'm simply not going.
Do I need to write a letter or something?
Canada hasn't been quiet about avoiding american brands. Like, entire sections of empty shelves in liquor stores that used to carry american brands and the like. But you can totally do that quietly, if you prefer the quiet approach.
I'm trying to think if I really seen any American liquor brands in Europe anyway. The only thing I can think of is Jack Daniels and no one buys that. All the wine always seems to come from New Zealand for some reason.
not from israel though.
Some products that are commonly used throughout the world that originate from Israel that you should boycott immediately:
- Babylon (digital dictionary)
- Unilever (does not originate from Israel but does manufacture many food products in Israel)
- Amora
- Amora
- Aromat
- Best Foods
- Bovril
- Brooke Bond
- Colman's
- Continental
- Hellmann's
- Knorr
- Lady's Coice
- Maille
- Marmite (As in Marmite branded Marmite)
- Robertson's
- Salsa Lizano
- Sir Kensington's
- Turun sinappi
- Unox
- Klik
- Maizana
- Pfanni
- Pot Noodle
- Pot Rice
- Sealtest
- Buavita
- Horlicks
- Jif (lemon and lime juice, not the peanut butter)
- All laundry detergent (the brand, not literally all laundry detergent)
- Breeze laundry detergent
- Breeze
- Cif
- Comfort fabric softener
- Dixan laundry detergent
- Persil
- Rin
- Rinso
- Skip laundry detergent
- Snuggle fabric softener
- Sunlight dish-washing detergent
- Surf laundry detergent
- Wheel detergent
- Axe/Lynx products
- Brylcreem
- Camay
- Clear beauty products
- Close-up toothpaste
- Dove soaps
- Glow & Lovely
- Lifebuoy rubbing alcohol
- Liril
- Linic
- Lux
- Mentadent
- Noxzema
- Pears transparent soap
- Pepsodent
- Pond's
- Radox
- Rexona (AKA Degree, Sure, Shield, and Rexena) deodorant
- Schmidt's naturals deodorants and soaps (WHAT?! GODDAMMIT!! My wife will be displeased to learn of this)
- Seventh Generation (My wife will be unshocked to learn of this)
- Shea Moisture (WHAT!? GODDAMMIT!! I AM DISPLEASED TO LEARN OF THIS)
- Signal toothpaste
- Simple skin and body care
- SR toothpaste
- St Ives lotion
- Suave
- Sunsilk (AKA Sedal, Seda, and Elidor)
- Toni & Guy
- TRESemme
- Vaseline (AKA Vasenol)
- Vim (not the text editor)
- VO5
- White Beauty
- Zendium
- Noblesse cigarettes
- Sabra
- SodaStream
- Pepsi (American, but heavily involved in Israeli politics)
- Coca Cola (American, but heavily involved in Israeli politics)
- IWI
- Uzi
- Desert Eagle
- Waze
- Google Maps (mostly through its relationship to Waze)
- Yokohama tires
I don't think there is anything quiet about it. This has been a long time coming and frankly as an American I don't know why it was not done sooner.
Quietly? I'M GOING TO AVOID AS MANY AMERICAN PRODUCTS AS I CAN
I took it one step further and try my darndest to choose local products where possible, and if not, smaller EU businesses. Unilever, mondeles, nestlé, etc are companies I now try to actively avoid. Because once we loose the small actors we no longer have any choice left at all. Unfortunately the end game for unregulated markets always end up with monopoles. I know our EU market is regulated, but the enforcement against the actors invested in anti-compeditive behaviours are pretty toothless in my opinion.
Must say the local/small alternatives are actually in most cases better. Ritter Sport chocolate is in my opinion more tasty than marabou and better size. The local ice cream producers also have more interesting options, and Arvid Nordquist coffee taste better. What I am trying to say is that I'm not missing out quite the opposite.
Same, but it's hard. I do like the variety that comes with small local businesses so it's a win in my book. As long as i can afford it that is
Almost too quietly.
I was going to say, not so quietly. Everyone everywhere is walking back from the US. The relationship is, at best, a salvage operation.
I agree it hasn't been entirely quiet, the Greenland affair definitely wasn't quiet, with many countries stating publicly that they supported Greenland, some of them even sending troops.
Also the Iran war has been criticized by many European leaders as illegal, and USA has at best limited access to airbases controlled by European countries.
Also on trade, when Trump threatened to increase tariffs on EU again, the response from EU was swift, that in that case EU might resort to the Bazooka, a political "weapon" designed to be used against China id necessary, but that could be used against USA too.
It has been so clear that Europeans have lost patience with Trump, that Trump has literally raged against it at times.
TBH, that's the best way to deal with the Trump administration. Try to get away as far as possible. Try to get out of those dependences. But do not talk loud about it, because if so, the demented orange will totally attack you.
Everyone is maneuvering away from the US and Americans are going to find themselves very alone in the world one day, their only partners being those who are also without allies or friends, just like Donald Trump's personal life. America, rebuilt in the image on DJT.
I'M WITH THIS GUY. EVEN THE BAR I WORK EXTRA AT HAD TO STOP STOCKING JACK DANIELS CAUSE IT JUST WONT SELÖ ANYMORE. ANECDOTAL COMMENT IS ANECDOTAL.
Are you sure it's just not because Jack Daniels is rubbish? I used to drink it a lot when I was an teenager but that's because I couldn't afford anything else and I didn't know any better.
Could be. It is shite. But one of the bartenders did ask when did we last sell Jack or take up a new bottle? And its just untouched to the point where we removing it from shelves.
I always thought the fact that it was rubbish was half the point? It's not for quietly enjoying - it's for mixing with coke and rock music and getting shitfaced.
Feeling this at my company.
The amount of time I have spent working with European customers has dropped a lot. They are doing whatever they can to buy European instead.
Crazy compared to how freely things worked out years ago. Early 2000s I worked at a company basically doing stuff with all sorts of folks from USA to Europe to Russia to China.
We're alright in a lot of ways, and incredibly conservative in others.
We have a war on drugs; it's the one thing all our politicians agree on. We also have some of the highest death from overdoses in Europe. Meanwhile, they're all in parliament coking it up. See, drugs were measured in the wastewater from parliament, and none of them want to be tested.
Chat Control? It was spawned by the Social Democrats, a lady called Ylva Johansson. You have Sweden to thank for that.
Our current goverment is vowing to double the amount of surveillance cameras by 2030, and our police is expanding their use of Palantir.
Nazis? The Norwegians still are a bit sore about the fact that we let nazi Germany use our railroads to invade them. Fair, I feel.
Speaking of the nazis! We were super into eugenics until around the time Germany lost WWII. Back in 2013 we got rid of the eugenics law that required trans people to be sterilised. Oh yeah, the second largest party in parliament right now, Sverigedemokraterna, were against that.
Sweden was nice because we had a solid welfare bought by the blood shed when the military shot demonstrating workers during the great depression, and the ensuing decades of pro-worker social democratic politics. The modern social democrats are abandoning their roots in favour of sucking up to the bourgeoisie, and as such the entire left block is losing out.
That or a vast portion of Swedes are actual nazis because they keep fucking backing the nazi party.
Sweden also just voted in a law that allows the police to use AI for face recognition in real time.....
Source: Artikel The Actual Law Who voted for it and Against it.
The other month, when me and my dog went home from the vet, we took a path we haven't done in a while. Passed through an area where we used to live some years back, after I fled an abusive family member.
It's a miljonprojekt, not a massive one though. It is one of the larger ones of the area, and because it's historically been cheap, that's where a lot of immigrants have ended up. It's a nice area though, and some money has been put into improving both the buildings and the surrounding area past few years. It's also where a fairly large elderly care home is located.
When passing by the nearby church, there was a large fuckoff mobile surveillance tower right on the opposite street. I froze in my tracks, seeing it was incredibly uncomfortable. I've lived in the area for well over a decade, and never felt as unsafe as when I saw that.
Sweden has long been the most right-wing of the Nordic countries – at least when it comes to economics
Alright, what would you call SD if not Nazis? If one is willing to work with Nazis, then you’re accepting of and approving their ideology.
Ergo, you’re a Nazi.
Edit: it’s worth noting that this “you” is a general you, not meaning you specifically.
10 years ago SD was called nazis too due to their politics, now S, M, KD, L even C, conduct more strict immigration politics than SD did 10 years ago. So that would make 78% of Swedens population Nazis.
Do you seriously believe that's the case? I don't. Every party you dont like isn't nazis.
If there's something you can admire SD for, it's that they've always stuck to their roots. Unfortunately, their roots is literal nazism so it's not something admirable.
I'm not arguing that S, M, KD, L, and C aren't.
S is losing support because they're abandoning their core values and moving further right.
C was lead for years by that Ayn Rand fangirl.
M, KD, and L are all super happy to partner up with SD, so yeah.
There are no good parties among the main parliamentary ones. V and MP are the most humane, and at the very least work against nazism, but they have their own fucked up quirks.
Quiet quitting? I don’t think this is the right term at all. IMO Europeans, and tourists from any other country for that matter, have made it quite clear that there are a lot fewer of them that want to visit the US or buy products associated with the US. I don’t think they’re being quiet about it at all.
Just gonna leave this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU
One of the few reasons I still use Reddit.
Better invite them here, what's the point of switching from US stuff by doing it on US platform despite having alternative?
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
"Inviting" then here is not very effective when the majority just can't be bothered to.
There are already plenty of communities by that name. Shamefully none of them are active.
I'm not asking them to create this community, I'm asking to join here, increase user count and make this place more alive. What's the point of this silly movement if they stay there? That's totally counterproductive
It's not a "silly" movement and it had to start somewhere. And your attitude is certainly not inviting, but rather condescending. The issue of Lemmy is that the userbase can be insufferable in that way.
Thank you for your effort
Username checks out
And then there is the UK signing up for Star Shield... Ugh
Ah, i do love me some silly horizontal progressbar that steals me limited reading space.
Quiet?
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Yes it was reluctantly at first, but I don't think it is so much anymore.
EU has shown to be better at handling a crisis situation than we ourselves expected, and unity in EU and Europe on the issue, has resulted in way less reluctance as programs are decided upon in unity, like the EU SAFE program that for instance Canada and Japan have joined.
The strong cooperation in EU and Europe in many areas has shown us that we can act with decisiveness in unity when it counts. And when pressured from outside, the EU countries can stand together.
Abso-fucking-lutely!
The problem is not just Trump, it's the American population and the Republicans and the American dysfunctional democracy.
Exactly, the success of the European determination to help Ukraine without USA is amazing. 👍 😎
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