Teslas are clearly unsafe and the company should be sued into oblivion, however they do include crashes with FSD on within I believe 10 seconds as a “FSD crash”
I thought it was 10 as well, but its 5.
https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/fsd/safety
If FSD (Supervised) was active at any point within five seconds leading up to a collision event, Tesla considers the collision to have occurred with FSD (Supervised) engaged for purposes of calculating collision rates for the Vehicle Safety Report.
OEMs need to report anything within 30 seconds to the NHSTA, and Tesla self reports within 5 seconds in their stats as if it was on.
Some blame goes to the false advertising. Not 100% goes to the user.
If people can’t be bothered to RTFM then it’s 100% their fault no matter what it’s called. Unfortunately even if they had called it cruise control plus there would still be dumbasses doing this shit.
There was a recent case Tesla was found partly to blame because the system allegedly didnt work as advertised, but because it also worked in an area it shouldn't have been enabled in.
The didnt work as advertised part, was the saftey features to avoid the collision with pedestrians on the side of the road didnt work. The car didn't brake.
Why didnt they work?
The driver had his foot on the accelerator and was looking down because he fumbled his phone. The car actively warns you if you override it with the accelerator that it will not brake.
The driver claims he thought it would still brake even though the car says it wont... he accepted responsibility for the crash.
You cant fix stupid.
Where I live people call this "designated driver mode". So you could probably imagine the number of people here buying them for this reason.
Title gore.
Is this the same FSD mode that Tesla lied about to get European approval for their cars?
Fuck the assholes using “self driving”. Fuck the clowns selling it as self driving more, but if you’re stupid enough to trust a drugged out Nazi’s technology, you’re culpable in the death it causes.
Tesla says they overrode the self driving system.
"Pedal fully pressed in the FSD crash. It was fairly obvious to anyone that uses FSD it does not drive like that."
Ashok from Tesla: "Yup. In this case, the driver manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100% of the accel pedal in this residential area. They reached a speed of 73 mph during the crash, and had the accelerator pressed even after the crash."
edit: My guess, he wanted disengage the system so he went to press the brake, but pressed the accelerator by mistake instead. When it didn't stop / disengage as expected, as is always the case in these types of situations, he pressed it harder because he was sure he pressed the right pedal. At that point he probably starts yanking on the steering wheel, or the turns were too tight for that speed. I'm sure we'll get more details later when the full report is done.
I get it. I can't say I've ever mashed the gas, but I've had some interesting mixups over the years and vehicles. Usually it's harmless like hopping in an automatic and stomping the nonexistent clutch to start the engine or panic brake. But, that being said, as I keep seeing my rental vehicles getting more and more complicated and overbearing, I genuinely appreciate have 2 pedals to, more or less, stop the vehicle. Just throw two feet at the problem and at the very least, you won't accelerate to 73mph in a residential. Plus my bench seat pickup has a foot-operated parking brake, meaning 3 out of 4 pedals available will slow the vehicle. (that 4-pedal truck gives good laughs to my niece who competently uses one-pedal regen mode in an EV)
Not trying to be a manual elitist. I had automatics exclusively for the first 10 years and the brake pedal worked just fine. I've experienced events where I was shifted din my seat and my physical register to the floor was misaligned, causing inaccurate pedal action. Usually just kissing the brake when meaning to mash the gas. I'm probably just mildly venting, having just come back from a trip involving a 2026 rental with suicidal lane-keep, shadow-sensitive auto brake, multi-tap touchscreen hvac, and the physical volume knob (good) on the passenger side (bad). First day back today and had a lovely drive with my 25 year old base model utility vehicle.
I don't know. I'm sure there's a net benefit to saving lives but at the cost of increased incidents and reduced driver skill. I think adaptive cruise/guided steering is a little too far (and "full" self driving way too far for the current tech). My father thought ABS and basic cruise was too numbing. His father thought automatics were too disconnected. His father probably disliked foot controls or electric starters or something. And his father probably thought the loss of knowledge of horse maintenance was over the line. [shakes fist at clouds]
I've only done it once, but I got saved by being on a hill while parking. I had wanted the hill to let me roll back a little bit and I was going to stop it with the brake, but instead I lurched forward because I hit the accelerator. Given I was on a hill though my mistake had to work against the uphill and I didn't jump up to far before I took my foot off, rolled back a little, and properly braked. It was very strange and confusing in the moment.
I'd be curious how often this happens with basic cruise control on the highways, but (edit: I suspect) highways are more forgiving to the mistake than with something like FSD on windy neighbourhood streets.
Speeding through a residential area wouldn’t a smart person regain control?
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I'm sure the Tesla handed over full control to the driver before the crash. About 30 milliseconds before.
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