By Pedro Arizpe
Signtist 24 points a day ago
I think it works pretty well. Any tool will have good aspects and bad aspects, and its functionality will only be as good as our ability to make use of the good aspects while limiting the bad ones.
Humans benefit from fire because the good aspects of warmth, light, and cooking all vastly outweigh the bad aspect of the danger of catching on fire, which can be mitigated relatively easily by not bringing flammable things near it. If we ourselves were highly flammable, fire would be far too dangerous to be useful.
The obvious AI metaphor points out how, just like paper beings covered in gasoline are weak to fire, human beings are weak to a friendly voice speaking with confidence, and will succumb to it just as quickly if exposed. Any benefit it might have otherwise been able to give is outweighed by the danger of our natural affinity for believing what is told to us by a trusted figure and stubbornly treating it as undeniable fact for the rest of our lives.
lime 6 points a day ago
...so are you saying that the good aspects of ai outweigh the bad, or that the bad aspects of fire outweigh the good?
also what does stealing fire from the gods represent here? what is prometheus' motivation? is he evil here, or ignorant? what does his eventual punishment by the gods represent? is this saying that humans are naturally susceptible to ai, or that they have been made so by on external process (aka pouring gasoline)? in that context, is "it's just a tool" a sincere statement, or part of the plan? what even is the plan the author alluding to?
Signtist 9 points a day ago
I'm saying the bad aspects of AI outweigh the good. I left out listing any good aspects of AI because I don't know any. The comic's version of Prometheus is a metaphor for the tech billionaire, claiming that he's done this amazing thing for the benefit of the people, but from his action of plugging his ears, we can see that he knew how his "gift" would be received; he, like the tech billionaire, clearly has his own motivations that he's passing off as charity.
It's left ambiguous about whether he's evil or just ignorant, which is itself a good mirror of real life, where we can't tell if our overlords are stupid, or are actively planning out the downfall of civilization as we know it. Do they think AI is just a tool, and it's our fault for being so susceptible to its bad aspects, or was it purposefully designed to exploit them, and the "just a tool" excuse is just them passing the blame? Are we being purposefully led off a cliff, or are we simply following a blind leader to the edge?
The gasoline is ambiguous as well - are these people naturally covered in gasoline, as we may be naturally susceptible to AI and its hallucinations, or were they covered on purpose by someone to prepare them for the fire, as we may have been prepared to accept misinformation online well before AI hit the scene? The comic leaves off any mention of punishment from the gods, maybe to indicate that, like the tech billionaire, the governing body meant to keep them in line is in on the scheme. The very fact that both this comic and the real-life situation it's parodying have the same questions is indicative of the quality of the metaphor.
lime 5 points a day ago
i mean, using prometheus in particular has certain connotations that in my mind weakens the metaphor. as does the use of a man-made fuel. that's why i don't think in works. there's also the aspect someone pointed out that he seems to know some people are arsonists despite them never having had access to fire.
tutter 4 points 20 hours ago
I absolutely hate public facing llms as a product, but, there can be some undeniably good things to come out out of it, just because you said you knew of zero positives, here's at least a single good one
https://alphafold.ebi.ac.uk/ ^^ Database of every way (afaik) proteins can be folded and what effect that has on the protein, has already been used extensively to develop new medicine and vaccines.
Edit: Not a database of everything at all, it's a predictive model. I don't know that much about this lol. Check out the explanation below, much more in depth
Curing the sick and ill I'm pretty sure we can agree is a positive?
I still think the negatives far outweigh the few positives there might be associated, but it is true that as a tool it can be productive if used correctly.
mnemonicmonkeys 2 points 11 hours ago
It's left ambiguous about whether he's evil or just ignorant
There's an interview where Sam Altmann claims that AI will destroy the worl, but will create "awesome tools" before that. Almost a 1:1 copy of the meme
CheeseNoodle 1 point a day ago
The introverts who percieve kindness as a potential threat will inherit the earth.
brsrklf 8 points a day ago
I vaguely thought it might be about guns too, and I couldn't tell if it was made by someone who was pro or against guns. Now people are like, it's obviously about AI, and the analogy makes even less sense to me.
AwesomeLowlander 4 points a day ago
It's vague enough that you can fit any social issue of your choice in there.
lime 8 points a day ago
it tends to lead to overanalysis instead, i find. like, if the fire is ai and prometheus is the companies that brought us the ai, what does everyone being covered in gasoline represent? wasn't prometheus punished by the gods for bringing fire to humanity? does this imply that indeed it is just a tool and the flammable arsonists are a few bad apples? are they implying that it was wrong of prometheus to bring fire to humanity? or are they implying that prometheus is an innocent party, or to take it further, actively malicious? and if so, again, why is everyone covered in gasoline?
BillyClark 28 points 2 days ago
How can they be obvious arsonists if they've never had fire before?
jerkface 5 points 17 hours ago
Prometheus didn't risk anything in the sense one of us would use the term. He has forethought; nothing is a surprise to him. He didn't take a risk, he traded certain punishment for his children's enlightenment.
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