Subscription gaming is inching toward a world where players own nothing at all

14 hours ago by sanitation to c/pcmasterrace

Anti-piracy DRM solutions like Denuvo don't do a great job at stopping illegal sharing, and the gaming industry is surely looking at alternatives. Rather than techological, I think the answer is contractual. I break down the history of game piracy and where I think it's headed next.
Broadfern 34 points 14 hours ago

Stop fucking subscribing to these game services and giving them money 🤦

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bridgeenjoyer 9 points 10 hours ago

While we are at it, stop fucking subscribing to shitty services!!! Man, I wish normies would see THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. It is 100% their fault we have a technoligarchy with 3 big tech corpos controlling the entire world.

I have 2 subscriptions. Mullvad and icedrive. Then I donate to Foss stuff and the archive several times a year.

If everyone did this, we would have an actual tech utopia (joking, but it'd sure be better than now)

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grue 7 points 8 hours ago

The failure of the government to outlaw predatory business models is the problem. The consumers duped into subscribing are the victims.

You will never, ever rein in the corporations with boycotts alone. To argue for it as a "solution" alone is to be a useful idiot for the corpos.

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bridgeenjoyer 2 points 4 hours ago

For sure

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Korhaka 5 points 13 hours ago

Currently on zero game subscriptions and only play a few games that even feature a subscription option but it doesn't seem worth it.

Enlisted/War Thunder - bonus XP? Already got a Kar98k/Panzer IV, wtf else would I want as a rifle/tank in a WW2 game?

Gloria victis - more bonus xp? You can reach level cap in a week or two.

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Olhonestjim 7 points 6 hours ago

Tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna play my vinyl records, read my actual books, and play my backlog of purchased games. I'm gonna keep gardening and puttering about. Maybe make some trinkets.

These megacorpos haven't made anything to catch my interest in a good long while. Fuck em.

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GreenKnight23 1 point 5 hours ago

are you me?

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undrwater 4 points 6 hours ago

I remember getting "okay Boomer"-ed when pointing this out several years ago. I'm on the cusp of Boomer and X.

Are those of you who are younger getting the picture, or is it still we older folks complaining?

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yermaw 3 points 6 hours ago

Shut up grandad my horse armor is sweet you just jelly cause you dont understand

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undrwater 2 points 6 hours ago

Boy! In my day we paid for 8 bit armor and LIKED it!

Get off my lawn!

Thank you for the giggle. 😉

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rozodru 4 points 8 hours ago

unless you have physical copies of the game you already own nothing. If steam decides to ban your account what then?

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Kolanaki 2 points 5 hours ago

Even with a physical copy they could nuke your ability to play it. Remember The Crew? Even physical copies were affected.

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dewritoninja 1 point 3 hours ago

GOG buy GOG. Physical media can get damaged beyond repair, and every time you use it you damage it more. Plus a lot of physical media has DRM that makes making backups an absolute pain.

If you care about owning games and games preservation buy from gog, you can do anything you want with the installers.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 1 point 5 hours ago

Piracy, of course.

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Professorozone 2 points 5 hours ago

Like everything else.

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HeyJoe -5 points 12 hours ago

Idk, it has its purpose and for those reasons I am ok with what you lose in favor of playing what I want right now. I have a top tier subscription to PSN+, which is broken and have only paid $80 (I think its around $150 now which I would possibly have to reconsider if it was that much) for the year and had it at that price for multiple years now which makes it better. I get that I dont own the gamss, but as someone who is older and less time to play I really dont spend any money on new games anymore and the backlog of games I want to play is so big that this servive always has several games I always wanted to play anyway. Last year I purchased 1 new game and so far this year I have managed to not buy anything yet. This service allows me to continue playing lots of stuff for very cheap. Sure I dont own them, but you dont own the digital purchases either and even physical purchases are doing their best to make sure you cant just play the game either. Although shout out to Adventures of Elliot which is apparently one of the few new games you can play offline and still zero updates for the game if you have the physical copy.

Basically at my age I could really care less that I own these games anymore. I have my collection of the past and ill cherish it even more. The only part I miss is reselling them, where you could sometimes make your money back or more on a game.

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Telorand 8 points 9 hours ago

Basically at my age I could really care less that I own these games anymore. I have my collection of the past and ill cherish it even more.

Great, so "fuck you, got mine?" Everybody else who wasn't born long enough ago to own physical games (or who can afford to pay inflated "collectible" prices) is just shit outta luck?

Apathy is the best outcome these ghouls could hope for. "I don't care if I own anything, and I'm content with that," is the rental economy the ultracapitalists so badly want.

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HeyJoe -3 points 8 hours ago

No, not really. I was just stating that it is not a big deal for everyone as this article seems to make it feel like. I dont even care about the shit i have to be honest, once i die its worthless anyway because im sure whoever obtains it sells it for peanuts anyway since they wont know better. I guess I should be angry at my parents and grandparents for being able to buy a house for 10k and a car for $500. Sorry i was born a few years before you and things are slightly different making my opinion about it invalid.

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godsammitdam 2 points 6 hours ago

Let's actually look at the economics here instead of just the sticker price. I'm responding to both your original comment and this current one because they're both wild, and how you switch positions so flippantly really shows us a lot, that you have no ideology and as the other user said "fuck you, got mine" is EXACTLY what you're preaching. It's actually ironic you talk about generational wealth while defending your own headstart. But let's break it down.

If it wasn't profitable, these companies wouldn't be pushing subscriptions this hard. That's the whole tell. Companies don't run at a loss for your convenience. The subscription model exists because the math works in their favor, not yours, and it works specifically because the best customer is the one who forgets they're paying. Gym memberships have run on that principle for decades. Now we're doing it with games, with compute, with groceries on payment plans. Lower upfront cost does not mean cheaper. It means the cost gets spread out and obscured long enough that you stop noticing it.

And the trajectory matters more than this year's price. PS Plus has gone up twice in three years. The console itself just had a price hike. Sony's not raising prices because they're struggling, they're raising them because they can, and because hardware ownership is exactly what they're trying to phase out. Jeff Bezos said it outright back in 2024: "You're going to buy compute off the grid. That's AWS." He's not talking about convenience. He's talking about renting your PC. That's the actual stated direction of the industry from the people running it, from the parasite class looking to exploit you, and let's be honest, gaming is often targeted first and operates as a microcosm for society at large in many ways.

Sometimes it's fine to not have access to everything all at once. Sometimes it's fine to save up, buy the one game you actually want, and have more of that money go to the people who made it instead of the platform gatekeeping access to it. And sometimes it's fine to replay something you already own instead of needing a constant firehose of new content. A lot of older games actually said something. A lot of new AAA releases exist purely to funnel you into a storefront for DLC, card packs, battle passes, XP boosters. You're not paying a subscription to play a game at that point, you're paying for the privilege of being marketed to inside it. At some point it's worth asking if you're enjoying the time you're spending or just chasing the dopamine hit of a loot box animation for pixels you don't own and never will.

This isn't hypothetical. Look at what just happened with Halo Campaign Evolved. Local split screen co-op, same couch, same hardware, two controllers, originally required a PlayStation Plus subscription per player just to play the campaign. A mode that should be fully offline. It got walked back after backlash, but the backlash is the only reason it got walked back. Nothing about the initial announcement suggests anyone internally saw a problem until the public did. And even after the correction, both players still need online accounts to play split screen locally. The frictionless drop in drop out couch co-op that existed for decades is already gone. The paid version was just the test balloon to see how far they could push it. Test the extreme version, walk it back partially when people get angry, keep the version that's still worse than what existed before, call it progress. Pushing the envelope, as the parasite class always has. Just how much are you willing to spend before it's too much? The DMCA fight over things like Slopsmith runs the same mechanism from a different angle. You buy a song file, you own that file, and the law still lets a company nuke an open source project for letting you access content you already paid for, because access was always the thing they wanted to control, not piracy.

Now, on "I could really care less if I own these games, I have my collection of the past": that's the part worth sitting with. Because when it got pointed out that this attitude is basically fuck you got mine for everyone who didn't get in early enough or can't afford inflated collectible prices, the response was to flip to nihilism. Suddenly none of it matters anyway because once you're dead whoever inherits it will just sell it for nothing. That's not a rebuttal, that's being a spineless coward. You can't simultaneously say you'll cherish your collection and that it's worthless the moment you stop being the one holding it. Pick one.

And the comparison to being blamed for your parents buying a house for 10k isn't what anyone said. Nobody's invalidating your opinion because of when you were born. The point is that you had decades to build a library while ownership was still the default, you're not buying much new anymore because you already have that backlog, and you're fine with a model that denies that same option to everyone coming up now who doesn't have your head start. That's not about your age. That's about being comfortable with a door closing behind you that you already walked through. You're happy to pull the ladder up so no one else can enjoy the benefits. Just like housing. Just like car ownership.

None of this works without people continuing to pay for it. Every subscription dollar is a vote for this being the permanent shape of the industry, and right now it's an industry that's making sure the next generation never gets the option you already used. And you're happy to pull that ladder up. You're smiling as you literally tell us "fuck you, got mine."

So yeah. Fuck you too.

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HeyJoe 0 points 5 hours ago

I just find it crazy what people can come up with about how I feel based off a couple of lines about how i feel on video game subscriptions. I dont care because i dont have the time or money to care about video games anymore like that. Instead of me buying 1 game for the price of my subscription i am playing most of the best games that came out over the past 5 years and right now thats all that works for me, thats it. My collection which i think people think is some super impressive thing is just 2 cardboard boxes filled with a few game consoles that i never sold and most of it got thrown out last fall due to a flood so this is all i got left. Im pretty sure everyone here could buy what i have still for not much more than what i originally paid for it. I also am not rich, and most of the stuff you all say i agree with. I obviously do not want to see video games go the way its going but i am pretty sure nobody will be able to change any of that. Im probably more broke than most of you arguing with me, i mean i just filed for bankrupcy a month ago and go to court next week to finalize everything, but yeah sure fuck me and my 1 opinion about how this 1 subscription service works for me right now and i actually enjoy it. Like me not paying for it will change the industry for everyone.

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undrwater 2 points 6 hours ago

I think the more philosophical issue is that there is a class of people who are the "owners" and a class who are the "users".

The "owners" have a whole ton of power over what we use. When ownership was decentralized, so was the power.

We're talking about games here, but this can generalize to do many other things.

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godsammitdam 2 points 6 hours ago

They did exactly that already actually when they brought up cars and housing.

Generational wealth through ownership.

They, themselves say they have a collection of the past they'll cherish. But should anyone else want to collect something like that, oh no, it's worthless when they're dead, so you shouldn't have the ability to own it like I do.

Literally pulling the ladder up after they benefitted. Just like on housing. On vehicles. Now on games.

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