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a month ago by onipa to c/linuxmemes

Is it true? What is the best way to convert to the gospel of St. IGNUcius?

BananaTrifleViolin 71 points a month ago

It's kind of a straw-man argument as no one is forcing anyone to use Linux. But using cross platform FOSS to avoid lock-in IS a good idea, and it does make transitioning to Linux easier (or indeed many other OSs - FOSS or not).

But Linux's success on the desktop has been organic. It's a combination of platform maturity, ease of use, the breaking of windows USP in gaming, privacy and data concerns, and on the other side the enshitification of Windows, and even MacOS. The only "forcing" is arguably Microsoft & Apple pushing it's users away from their own platforms by their behaviour.

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REDACTED 14 points a month ago

Microsoft is kind of forcing me to

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tourist 9 points a month ago

no one is forcing anyone to use Linux

if I had the authority I would force everyone to use linux

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adam_y 3 points a month ago

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onipa 2 points a month ago

true, I meant pushing instead of forcing

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inari 63 points a month ago

No one can force you to use Linux

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ImgurRefugee114 118 points a month ago

Me and the boys loading into a van with skimasks, crowbars and baseball bats, and a bootable installer USB:

We'll see about that, won't we

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Diplomjodler3 25 points a month ago

Install Arch on all his computers while you tie him to a chair and force him to watch!

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djdarren 12 points a month ago

no don't stop

edit: hang on, will you make sure all the drivers are installed properly?

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Diplomjodler3 9 points a month ago

I'll have you hang head first off the ceiling and read the Arch wiki to you.

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Axolotl_cpp 2 points a month ago

Uhh can i choose another arch based distro?

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Bluewing 8 points a month ago

No. The only other option is TempleOS.

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thisfro 11 points a month ago

Relieved in FreeBSD

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rozodru 3 points a month ago

eventually relieved in FreeBSD once the wifi decides to not drop and maintain a decent connection

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Natanox 6 points a month ago

If you need wifi on BSD you're usually boned. Or at least very slow.

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rozodru 6 points a month ago

yup I daily drove FreeBSD for a week. I loved it, I really did. but the wifi was just...I couldn't do it anymore. I had two scripts written specifically for it. one that would easily connect me and another that was a "watchdog" that would monitor when the connection dropped and then reconnect me. it would drop pretty much every 15 to 30 minutes. and when it was connected it was slooooooow. so I just went back to Linux. Also since I'm a web dev a couple tools I use just weren't available on FreeBSD so I had to install a very small debian vm and tunnel into that to simply run builds and deploy them. that was also a pain to figure out and not have wiped after every reboot.

I might just slap it on my extra 256gb ssd and keep it as a "hobby os" and just keep daily driving linux.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 45 points a month ago

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I just look down on them for using Windows. And you can't stop me!

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onipa 30 points a month ago

Twilight aristocrats meme: Linux users looking down on Windwos users

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poVoq 30 points a month ago

This often doesn't work very well as people will blame Windows/MacOS issues on the less well integrated FOSS apps and in general the Windows versions are also often more buggy as the developers spend little to no time using Windows themselves (because who would voluntarily use that crap?).

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abumarkey 23 points a month ago

Yeah, the all or nothing approach will not make Linux mainstream. Meet people where they are.

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dil 10 points a month ago

I dualbooted and then just didnt touch windows again til a year later, I stopped using a few hobbyist programs that I had put a lot of time in but pirated and stuck to just blender really since piracy was and still is difficult for some of those programs (houdini) or the program itself causes issues and doesn't work well on linux (davinci resolve on bazzite, worked fine on cachyos tho, all amd)

I only reinstalled windows on another drive recently to play simracing games, but ended up mostly playing the ones that work on linux rather than iracing and wrc which I booted up windows for.

Plenty of things still don't work well or require a lot of workarounds, like producers using ableton probably shouldn't switch to linux, or vfx artists using touch designer, if s@box devs exist the dev side doesn't work on linux

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dil 5 points a month ago

The pros just outweigh the cons, overall faster, 90% of the time im just using a web browser so compatibility isn't really an issue, that works fine. I love being able to actually customize my computer, desktop environment, etc. and feel like I have complete ownership over my device. Swap my file manager or whatever, I think anyone who has jailbroken their phone in the past would really get the appeal of linux instantly. It almost feels like using cydia when using gnome with extensions or flathub, but better.

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rozodru 6 points a month ago

Also it's a valuable teaching tool simply switching to Linux. Prior to switching I was VERY rusty with the command line. hell I was even extremely rusty with vim/emacs since on Windows most of the time I was using Sublime Text for work.

Once I switched to Linux it made me learn the command line again, made me learn vim again, and then the revelation that doing things via the command line/terminal is actually faster than utilizing a GUI. It taught me A LOT of things. how to effectively partition drives, trouble shoot, set up things, etc. taught me languages I never really used before. Switching to Linux made me fall in love with using the computer again. It was like I was a kid back in the 90s.

Now I can install things like Void, Arch or even FreeBSD and get them setup with a WM like DWM without having to look at a manual or anything.

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dil 1 point a month ago

Same for all of that, hadnt touched vim since I had to my freshman year of college c++

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Diplomjodler3 21 points a month ago

Who's forcing anyone to use Linux?

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ExLisper 36 points a month ago

I do! I break into people's apartments, beat them up a little bit and I say that I'll be back in a couple of months and if I will see them using Windows I will kill them. Works like a charm.

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Diplomjodler3 17 points a month ago

Guess we all need a hobby.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 15 points a month ago

What do you do if I'm using Linux already? Beat my ass a little and then cuddle with me in bed?

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Malix 19 points a month ago

You're obviously using a wrong distro. Beatings will continue as planned.

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DragonOracleIX 3 points a month ago

You are going to have to pry CachyOS out of my cold dead hands then.

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ExLisper 6 points a month ago

How did you know? Did we meet?

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HerbGrower 3 points a month ago

What if you come back and they have a macbook?

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ExLisper 4 points a month ago

I would tell you what happens to those people but I don't want to give you nightmares.

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teslekova 8 points a month ago

Probably various workplaces. Just like lots of them force you to use Windows.

Personal machines, yep, it's all a choice.

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Diplomjodler3 2 points a month ago

It's a normal thing that you work with whatever your workplace pays you to work with.

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copygirl 4 points a month ago

You see, when people complain about Windows online, and others jokingly suggest to switch to Linux, that is practically forcing people to switch, OR ELSE! /s

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freudian_slop 1 point a month ago

I have a car issue could you guys have a quick look?

Sell your car and switch to a bike

Well I use my car for client visits. I try to use the bike more but some clients are very far away and it is impossible to use the bike.

Ah so you already have a bike. Just sell your car and use the bike 100%. No car no car issues. Simple as that. Btw I use a bike

...

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copygirl 1 point a month ago

How dare they steal your work car and replace it with a bike! /s

Yeah, no. These comments are annoying at worst, but again, nobody is being forced to use Linux.

The opposite (people being forced to use Windows) is more likely to be the case.

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StarvingMartist 2 points a month ago

Try troubleshooting something windows related on Lemmy. I dare you.

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Archimedes 17 points a month ago

If you want universal uptake, you need to be in the schools.

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MyNameIsRichard 6 points a month ago

To be in schools, you need to be in businesses.

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Sirius006 5 points a month ago

Is the year of the linux desktop also business time?

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TerraRoot 16 points a month ago

Proton for windows when?

would actually help with old games compatibility.

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bilb 7 points a month ago

I've used a windows version of Wine to play a 16 bit Windows game before, so it's already kind-of a thing.

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cmnybo 5 points a month ago

For 16 bit windows games, DOSBox may work even better since it emulates vintage hardware. You just have to install windows 3.11 inside DOSBox.

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bilb 1 point a month ago

Yes! I've done both. I played Castle of the Winds in DOSBox running Windows 3.11. What have you used it for? If it's Castle of the Winds, we're officially friends. Otherwise, eh, we'll see! ;)

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TerraRoot 3 points a month ago

Ha, of course it already exsists

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offspec 7 points a month ago

Just run steam through WSL of course!

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Grail 3 points a month ago

Oh fuck... That would probably actually solve Spore crashing, wouldn't it?

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tiramichu 6 points a month ago

As soon as Windows runs on Linux :)

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ILikeBoobies 4 points a month ago

Dxvk already helps.

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deacon 13 points a month ago

I’m forced to use CoPilot at work and chuckled when the running dialog showing my prompt was being delivered showed LibreOffice being used for initial file generation.

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BurnedDonutHole 12 points a month ago

But... But... But, then how they will now I use Arch? ～(つˆ0ˆ)つ｡☆

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ICastFist 5 points a month ago

Hello, this is the Arch police, btw. As you have not stated you use it btw, your license to use Arch has been revoked, btw.

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BurnedDonutHole 4 points a month ago

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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BladeFederation 8 points a month ago

I don't know why, but I've gotten more resistance for suggesting that than Linux. Switched my wife to Linux no problem, another girl I know was like "do you really think it will run on my laptop with a Celeron? I will look into it." IT people I work with are like "yeah Microsoft sucks but I'm not ready".

People get REALLY comfortable with their shitty proprietary apps though, even tech literate people. I'm not even including stuff like Adobe which are great and people have spent years using processionally. I mean like Signal, which is functionally the same as any other messaging app and takes two seconds to get up and running.

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bridgeenjoyer 6 points a month ago

+1 for IT people that aren't actually computer folks. I regularly am amazed what IT has zero idea about that I do in my spare time, but then I realize a normal person could be in IT. I thought you had to be a mega nerd.

Also people won't use signal because no one is on it. EVERYONE here is on fb so they all use messenger and won't leave no matter how horrible it is.

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BladeFederation 5 points a month ago

You're right, I just don't understand that mentality though. You don't have to stop using FB Messenger immediately if people you know use it. If you want something better though, you have to start using other products, and eventually it will be big enough that you can ditch Messenger. Plus I'm actively asking you to message me on Signal, so just do it. What is the problem? I have apps that I actively dislike and are bad for privacy, like Snapchat for example, solely for one person, just because they're busy and prefer it and I care about them and keeping in contact. Why do so few people seem to do the same for Signal, even when they complain about the mainstream apps?

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bridgeenjoyer 3 points a month ago

Dude people won't change. Many folks ive asked 10 times pelase use signal to talk to me and they will not.

I refuse to install Snapchat, thats 100% spyware recording you.

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Zizzy 2 points a month ago

If by "functionally the same as any other messaging app" you literally just mean being able to message someone then sure. Like saying steam is functionally the same as aim and thats functionally the same as discord. Also signal is annoying as hell i dislike it, and has caused me more issues than any other messaging service, be that teamspeak, discord, matrix etc. Really the only one ive disliked more that ive actually used is probably skype (rest in piss). So despite using it bc i respect the reasoning and vidion for privacy, it sucks

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BladeFederation 1 point a month ago

I haven't had any issues 🤷🏻‍♂️ I guess video calls are occasionally choppy when I call a friend in another country who has bad internet. But yeah, that's just going to be the case on that situation.

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librekitty 6 points a month ago

cross platform meaning FOSS OS (BSDs, linux, androids)

though it's often easy to make it support proprietary OS with little-to-no dev time, and the idea of spreading FOSS to those trapped in proprietary OSes is good too

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librekitty 2 points a month ago

and TBH, "use WSL" or "use docker" are good answers too

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Obi 6 points a month ago

This is what I've been doing, most of my software whether for work or personal has a Linux version, however I'm still stuck with Adobe for now for PS+LR and can't really be bothered with dual booting. As soon as I manage to replace those in a way that works for me professionally, I'm hopping over.

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adam_y 4 points a month ago

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Obi 2 points a month ago

And yeah I'm on DaVinci as well and it's nice they're trying and if I do cut off photography gigs that might be enough but for now, definitely not a stand in for LR+PS workflows.

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Obi 1 point a month ago

To be honest I've tried affinity and it didn't cut the mustard for my workflows at the time (maybe like 3 years ago). I'll admit, having used LR+PS for over 20 years I'm very set in my ways, but I'm trying to cut out the photography jobs completely in favour of moving image and once that's done I should be able to let go (though I still use PS for some stuff in the video work as well but at least it's not my entire workflows..).

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adam_y 1 point a month ago

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iocase 6 points a month ago

This is what I'm hoping Europe's transition into FOSS will do for the ecosystem. If they can make a polished sovereign software stack with a well known offramp, what exactly is the value of Microsoft? Why pay that much? Especially as all of their products get worse and enshittify further.

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PlaidBaron 5 points a month ago

No. This is war. We give no concessions to the enemy. We strap them to a chair, tape their eyea open and superglue their hands to the mouse until they love Linux.

No mercy.

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nil 2 points a month ago

works every time

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foggy 3 points a month ago

Most paid solutions are just kibana/grafana dashboards with extra steps.

If your team can't build most of that shit out yourselves, your team is overpaid.

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dan69 3 points a month ago

Eh just jump right in. You’ll most likely float, it’s been a neat experience for me thus far: having /var/cache file for updates filled up bc of updates, unable to login with my working password to my profile, Luks not working at all - these are great ways to learn how to evolve the hard way. I throughly enjoy what’s next for me in my Linux environment!

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rmrf 3 points a month ago

Based

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newton 2 points a month ago

Use Suicide linux with the comfort of Docker

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ICastFist 2 points a month ago

So, how is cross compatibility between Haiku, AROS and Linux?

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zorflieg 1 point a month ago

Seen

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ZILtoid1991 0 points a month ago

Okay, where I can find a Linux alternative to this software?

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onipa 5 points a month ago

maybe you can look into edb. It was mentioned in this x64dbg issue. I have no idea about debuggers, though ... or maybe remedybg works in wine ...

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ZILtoid1991 3 points a month ago

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll be looking into it. Maybe not as advanced at the moment, but due to it being open source, I can always do some advancements on it.

Issue with running RemedyBG in Wine that it is intended for Windows, and will likely have issues with running Linux native apps.

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