English language isnt even very difficult to use gender neutral they/them or neopronouns, as many words are ungendered. In very gendered languages like ukrainian, it is impossible to use something other than he or her; there isnt even a universal way to refer to a particular person in gender neutral way.

It's a shame, this was a carefully crafted response that by looking at the up-downvote ration seems to have offended nobody and resonated with quite a few people.

Why do you people have to be like that??

Signed: an exhausted ally

I’ve had a situation the other day where I got scolded because in my comment I apparently omitted the existence of people who are plural.

If you are refering to us talking about non-humans, we apologise. We did not mean to come off as scolding you. If it was not us then that is very unfortunate and you deserve better.

As a native english speaker, i avoid using pronouns when referring to people with neopronouns because i don't know how to properly use them.

Its really not through lack of knowledge its lack of exposure. I basically never hear neopronouns used in practice. So I worry I'll get them wrong, in some way I don't understand if I try to use them, as I lack an example to follow. Getting them wrong would be disrespectful, so instead I just try to phrase in a way that avoids needing to use pronouns, which I know for certain is not technically wrong.

I do want to be better than that.

If you enjoy scifi, you may check out Ann Leckie. She uses some neopronouns for a small number of characters. They are all great books as well. She's created an incredible universe full of wonderfully thought out gender diversity.

Thank you, apology accepted. I'm not sure if you did actually. The fact that you're willing to learn and do better means you're a good person. I've encountered a lot of people who refuse to do better or say that I'm wrong for having pronoun preferences.

I wish pronouns weren’t related at all to gender

Yeah, in English they don't really have to be. Pronouns can be used by anybody for any reason, whether they are a specific gender or not.

Edit: With their consent, of course.

Even though misgendering sucks I am happy when people do actually try. The thing I have no respect or forgiveness for is people who intentionally refuse to use my pronouns out of principle or say that I'm crazy or making a fool of trans people.

Is there an android client that gets it right? It seems Voyager never will

I've been trying some new phone clients recently, and some do not show screen names anywhere. Any client that doesn't show the screen name is not fit for purpose.

I don't understand neopronouns. I almost never hear them said, so I generally avoid sentences that require pronouns because I'm worried I'll get the neopronouns wrong. Can you provide an example of cele or celes in a sentence? I want to refer to cele correctly. (was that right?)

For me personally, I prefer usernames since they're immutable and unique per instance. I feel like actual pronoun tags would be a good feature, but then that'd be another thing only a subset of clients implement.

They are gender neutral pronouns which are intended to replace he/him or she/her pronouns while leaving all other sentence grammar intact. Compared to They/them pronouns which function differently grammatically. They're also singular in nature. Which they/them can be used singularly, but Ze/Zir, Xe/Xem/Xyr, Vi/Vis, etc. are always singular, just like he/him or she/her. It's very easy to swap them out because English doesn't have much gramatical gender in it, unlike other languages like spanish. Although I hear there are strides made to create gender neutral grammar in spanish.

It’s worth noting that until quite recently English used gender with words like: actor/actress, waiter/waitress, etc and a little further back there was: doctor/doctrix, navigator/navigatrix. etc

Neo-pronouns are for people who don’t want to linguistically identify as male nor female and dislike the use of the singular “they”.

!!!!!

I now know that apothipronominal is a thing that exists. Thanks so much!

but since this is kinda new it’ll not always be correct.

It's not new. It's been a thing for thousands of years. The reason it seems new now is because a bunch of assholes repressed it with violence. Some of us had our identities repressed with violence when we were young, and some of us are still in situations like that. If someone reacts badly to being misgendered, instead of assuming they're some kind of bad example to be avoided, try to understand where they're coming from and why what seems like a silly little accident on your part can at time be hurtful to others. That's not to say there won't be some real immature people or outright bad actors, but a little understanding can go a long way.

Pronouns essentially make people have to remember 3 words instead of just the name for each person after all.

You already use them. You use them all the time and don't even think about it. It's not that complicated. It's literally elementary school stuff. If you're genuine then people will notice and great allowance can be made for mistakes.... but sometimes the reasons people serve up for why they keep getting it wrong start to sound less like apology and more like justification. Try not to fall into that trap.