Romania blasts rock to divert water from drought-hit Danube to nuclear reactor

17 days ago by karpfenkalender to c/europe

Hungary and Romania face energy crisis as record-low river levels force atomic power plants to reduce output
brainzzz 36 points 16 days ago

Am I the only moron who thought they meant music?

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Pip 30 points 17 days ago

Wow, all that super stable, super reliable base load energy is just mindblowing!! Let's build more nuclear power plants!

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plyth 21 points 16 days ago

Let’s build more nuclear power plants!

If we had done that early on we wouldn't have global warming and there wouldn't be a cool water shortage.

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hanrahan 19 points 16 days ago

but that's not true. Electricity only accounts for about 18% of emissons, its non renewable, you'd have a waste pile the size of a mountain, would have run out of fuel by now and you'd need to start decommissioning most of them and rebuilding them

There's a persist myth that some technology can just magic a fix here, nothing short of vastly reduced energy consumption, and lifestyle changes can work, 10000 aging nuclear reactors that need replacing ain't going to cut it.

an example ?

we'd get a 30% reduction in emissions if the richest 10% loved like the average European, not enough but an excellent start

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plyth 12 points 16 days ago

Electricity only accounts for about 18% of emissons

You have to switch all processes to electricity or hydrogen like steel making or fertilizer.

Best results come from not abusing the third world and letting them have a future that allows them to only have two children.

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woelkchen 3 points 16 days ago

You have to switch all processes to electricity or hydrogen like steel making or fertilizer.

Doesn't turn Uranium into a regrowing resource.

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ThunderclapSasquatch 8 points 16 days ago

Hi big oil, propaganda still paying off?

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Ibuthyr -6 points 16 days ago

Fissile resources would have been depleted a long time ago if everyone would have went with nuclear. Don't be so daft.

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Waterpumpee 1 point 16 days ago

another 30% if work from home was standard

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RaphaelSchmitz 1 point 14 days ago

we'd get a 30% reduction in emissions if the richest 10% loved like the average European, not enough but an excellent start

It would solve a lot, if the rich were normal people capable of love

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Vincent 4 points 16 days ago

It's more relevant what we should/can do now than what we should've done years ago, no?

I mean, obviously learn from history and not make the same mistakes, but it's also not necessarily the case that whatever would've been the solution back then, still is today.

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plyth 1 point 16 days ago

If the same people are still in power and don't show acceptance of their mistakes or a willingness to correct them then it is relevant. There are solutions but it should be clear that they won't implement them.

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fullsquare -13 points 17 days ago

if you looked at what is going on, you would see that bulk of the missing energy in hungarian grid is supplied from czech and slovak grids, where half or so energy is supplied from nuclear powerplants that don't have such problems https://app.electricitymaps.com/...

not to mention the french, who put bunch of their reactors near shore and won't ever have problems with cooling, and so export 10-15GW every day

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woelkchen 29 points 17 days ago

not to mention the french, who put bunch of their reactors near shore and won’t ever have problems with cooling

About that: https://www.france24.com/...

This happens literally every hot summer.

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fullsquare -7 points 16 days ago

This is to avoid overheating river, seashore powerplants or those that rely on evaporative cooling towers don't have this problem. Also, it's as good time for maintenance as any other, and they still exported loads of electricity the entire time

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Ooops 15 points 16 days ago

This is to avoid overheating river

You make this sound like they do it for laughs and giggles and it's optional, not because increasing the temperature in already hot bodies of water even more literally kills wildlife.

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ImgurRefugee114 -14 points 17 days ago

"Look at all that renewable green solar generation! Sure doesn't work so well when it's buried under a mudslide lol"

That's what you sound like

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JensSpahnpasta 23 points 17 days ago

The thing is that this is a really desperate measure. The danube is one of Europes biggest rivers. That nuclear power plant was build with water inlets. That plant has been there for ages as every nuclear plant in Europe is old as fuck. That rock has been there also a long time. Having to blast it to help a little bit in order to save the reactor producing so much energy that the other plants in the country can't take over, is desperate as fuck

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ImgurRefugee114 2 points 16 days ago

Yeah, they're responding to a (not-so-) natural disaster. Of course infrastructure built half a century ago under wildly different conditions is at risk.

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Sniatch 15 points 16 days ago

Even if solar panels get buried under a mudslide, you can just build new solar panels very quickly. If that would happen to a nuclear plant, you would need to wait 10+years for a new one.

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Ooops 6 points 16 days ago

Yeah, right. Those totally predictable mud slides that happen every summer and are expected to increase in frequency and duration with climate change... 🤣

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zloubida 18 points 16 days ago

Nuclear is not a solution, evidence 836382.

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Photonic 31 points 16 days ago

Well, most of the time you would be right indeed. Uranium fuel rods are solid. But in a molten-salt reactor the fissile material is actually dissolved in molten salt, so it is a solution!

The more you know!

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MonkderVierte 1 point 16 days ago
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Photonic 2 points 16 days ago

Nope, they’re less expensive too because they don’t need to operate at high pressures like PWRs, so they don’t need a whole containment structure around it to keep the pressure in and they are more efficient because they can run at higher temperatures.

Research is expensive, but once that’s done (which we are nearing), the life cycle costs are lower with increased efficiency.

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jenesaisquoi 8 points 16 days ago

It's also now more expensive than renewables. And it has always been less safe. There is literally no reason to build nuclear anymore. Renewables is the way to go. Cheaper, safer, makes Europe energy-independent, and also much better for the environment.

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Forester -4 points 16 days ago
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jenesaisquoi 7 points 16 days ago

Your comment is not correct.

From Chernobyl alone, and only in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, and only from cancer, there have been 27'000 deaths. http://allthingsnuclear.org/...

Then there's all of the other bullshit. 270'000 people irradiated in this accident alone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster

Then there's all of the nice little things like the literal mafia dumping nuclear waste https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_waste_dumping_by_the_'Ndrangheta

Or dumping it into the oceans https://en.wikipedia.org/...

Or Germany putting nuclear waste into plain metal barrels and putting them into a salt mine. Since metal and salt mix so well. https://www.dw.com/...

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woelkchen 4 points 16 days ago

Renewables have killed closer to 180,000.

Clearly one braking dam is an argument against wind turbines and solar panels. Oh the horror and deaths of free rooftop electricity to power ACs.

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Forester -3 points 16 days ago

How many times am I going to hear about Chernobyl or Three Mile Island?

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TanteRegenbogen 2 points 15 days ago

Dams braking arent a direct consequence of renewables, but a flaw of the engineering. Also your argument bears no merit against wind and solar.

Your comment is deeply dishonest and bad faith.

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Forester 0 points 15 days ago

Whoosh.

If 62 Dam's breaking aren't a direct consequence of sino and Soviet engineers installing dams to generate hydroelectric power because irresponsible engineers didn't do the proper math to make functional safe dams and accidentally got 130k to 260k Chinese drowned...

Then how is it a valid argument that nuclear power isn't safe due to the same mistakes by the engineers who failed to properly safeguard fukishima or Chernobyl or three mile island and accidently killed about 4000 Japanese, Ukrainans and Americans. .

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KyuubiNoKitsune -4 points 16 days ago

L take..

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mrmisses 14 points 17 days ago

Begun, the water wars have 😔

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jenesaisquoi 4 points 16 days ago

This is just the beginning.

This is the least heat and the most water we'll have for the rest of our lives.

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weps 1 point 15 days ago

I live in west europe and am young enough to possibly experience colder summers and more extreme cold and rain in winter.

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eestileib 8 points 17 days ago

Missed opportunity to use a nuke for peak Fallout.

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ianhclark510 4 points 17 days ago

Call it the Blew(up) Danube?

Meanwhile I want to nuke one measly hurricane and everyone looses their minds

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turdburglar 4 points 15 days ago

so, like, black sabbath? or something harder that the kids today listen to?

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onipa 3 points 15 days ago

At least some pyros from the Romanian navy have fun ... 🎆🔥

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borisentiu 2 points 16 days ago

When you hit rock bottom, that's at least the point, where yo-...hm, wait a second...

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KyuubiNoKitsune 2 points 16 days ago

ITT: Gas and oil simps

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jenesaisquoi 3 points 16 days ago

Astroturfing bots

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Texas_Hangover 2 points 16 days ago

Where?

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Denixen -14 points 16 days ago
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starlinguk 7 points 16 days ago

I live in an area that purely runs on renewables. We have wind, solar and hydroelectric. No outages.

We're providing France with energy because their nuclear power stations can't deal with the heat.

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Denixen 2 points 16 days ago
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HaraldvonBlauzahn 4 points 16 days ago

Law of fossil propaganda on the Internet: When astroturfers don't have any credible argument left, they will resort to trolling.

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Denixen 1 point 15 days ago
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ThrowawayPermanente -3 points 16 days ago

Nobody is really thinking. Some of the people who hate nuclear power think reactors are literally nuclear bombs, some of them believe the wildly exaggerated claims about waste storage and disposal, some of them are getting paid by Russia to undermine competition for their gas.

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ReluctantMuskrat 3 points 16 days ago

Acting as if nuclear power failures can't and haven't caused catastrophic problems doesn't help the argument. I can understand why people don't trust the government to properly regulate and police the industry when there are multiple incidents when that's been proven.

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