roofuskit 147 points 2 months ago

How about passing a law that makes it illegal to sell any of someone's data without express written consent for each sale.

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Ep1cFac3pa1m 96 points 2 months ago

And it’s explicitly opt-in, not opt-out.

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saltesc 23 points 2 months ago

It's argued it already is opt-in. That's the 'Agree' button.

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xylol 25 points 2 months ago

I just got a text from my cell service saying they changed the terms of service, and I agree if I continue to use the service and privacy notive. Not even an agree button anymore just a FYI

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Zarobi 22 points 2 months ago

Yep. "You must consent otherwise you're opting out of everything in existence and must go live in a cave." It's not consent if they didn't even ask, and it's not consent if you want to say no but there's literally no other option in existence. Just opt out of the whole internet and mobile phones I guess.

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breakcore 7 points 2 months ago

Dark patterns and dark intentions

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Pechente 20 points 2 months ago

Kinda what GDPR tried and now the internet is almost unusable because greedy companies put cookie banners on every fucking site

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zikzak025 32 points 2 months ago

What is there to be worried about? We just want to collect valid data for our operations and to share with our 21,678 partners. It's basically legitimate interest.

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EonNShadow 2 points 2 months ago

It's financial interest that we as users should be earning

At least a portion

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rumschlumpel 11 points 2 months ago

And what most websites doing is actually not allowed according to the GDPR, it's supposed to be a one-click opt-out (which would be easy to automate with a browser extension). Unfortunately, the relevant court is in Ireland, which is the EU's hub for US big tech.

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14th_cylon 4 points 2 months ago

and it made the situation several orders of magnitude worse.

before you just used your favorite plugin and be done with it. you can't do that anymore, because you now have to allow for a cookie saying you don't want their cookies and you have to trust them to respect that. if that cookie is not there, they will bother you for the rest of their lives.

that is ignoring that you would have to individually opt out of every single one of their one million legitimate business partners.

i am using the ublock origin to block the dialogs, but it unfortunately works highly unreliably.

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OwOarchist 1 point 2 months ago

*laughs in noscript*

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Imgonnatrythis 13 points 2 months ago

And with a required minimum percentage of those data sales going to the individual.

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ALoafOfBread 12 points 2 months ago

Yeah this is just whack-a-mole.

Multibillion dollar business idea: shitload of shell companies that keep your data constantly in circulation, undeletable. Subscription service that just re-sends your data to companies after deletion.

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14th_cylon 2 points 2 months ago

Multibillion dollar business idea

cool idea, except i am pretty sure you are late to the market and someone is already doing that 😂

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redlemace 1 point 2 months ago

passing a law that makes it illegal to sell any of someone’s data

A nice thought, but how to enforce this law? How to prove they gave or sold data? It's easy for them to hide/delete records of data transferred.

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IPeaceInYourFace 21 points 2 months ago

Why is this in programmer humour?

Why is this funny?

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vala 2 points 2 months ago

woosh

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 16 points 2 months ago

Something I never see mentioned in discussions about privacy and "deleting your data": all of these websites store information in databases, and databases are (usually) backed up on a regular schedule. This means that the databases in their entirety are written to tape or optical drive or whatever format, in a form where they could be remounted/restored in their entirety if necessary. Even if your data is "deleted" from the current active instance of a database, no company goes into all (or any) of the backed-up copies of that database to delete that same data there (and even when you delete something from the current active instance of a database, the deletions are logged in the audit tables and so are never truly "deleted").

So it is impossible in a practical sense to truly delete your personal data, regardless of what any law says. It's not even possible to make it inaccessible to AI, since most likely when websites sell their data to AI companies, they are selling database backups that predate AI.

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cosmos8188 14 points 2 months ago

This along with the present "child protection" efforts around the world doesnt really target the underlying fascist mess which encapsulates the digital sphere. Deletion like this is a move forward, dont take me wrong - but in a way it is a strategic diversion for fascists to more discretely sell your data.

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anzo 14 points 2 months ago

Thread locked because it's off-topic to our community. (Although there were some interesting discussions, thanks.)

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shweddy 13 points 2 months ago

How about letting me sell my own data for my own financial gain. That way I can sell the parts of my life I want to sell

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TIEPilot 12 points 2 months ago

They will just offshore the servers and nothing changes... Like the Do Not Call list, looks great on paper, I'm still getting calls from spoofed numbers from abroad. US/California law means nothing in India.

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Mikina 10 points 2 months ago

At this point I'm seriously considering just running something like openclaw with a basic model to just keep clicking on random stuff and browsing the internet, changing personalities each day at random, to flood my IPs data.

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anzo 13 points 2 months ago

that already exists, without any LLM. just an extension to the web browser: https://adnauseam.io/

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vala 7 points 2 months ago

Truly hilarious

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refalo 5 points 2 months ago