From what I've read, they're mostly stupid MAGAs. But, maybe a few of them will turn and do something when they get home.
DarrinBrunner 16 points 5 days ago
Murse 16 points 5 days ago
Most of them are - the military has always leaned red; but then the military has always been made up of impressionable kids whose poverty and desperation make them highly exploitable... so, I tend to give the individual the benefit of the doubt, even if the group as a whole doesn't deserve it.
And this is the time for an individual to really shine.
orioler25 2 points 3 days ago
You'd be wrong. They do prey on impoverished communities, but the narrative that they are mostly those people in the US military is just ridiculous, and minimizes complacency, like what your comment does. If this were the case, demographics in the US military would be substantially different, more consistent with disproportionate rates of poverty, rather than over 2/3 white. Even further, the United States Army War College reported in 2020 that not only are most recruits middle-class, but that the middle-class is actually overrepresented proportionate to the general population. (https://apps.armywarcollege.edu/...).
No, these Nazis are not poor brown people, they are affluent white people, go figure.
Murse 2 points 2 days ago
the military has always been made up of impressionable kids whose poverty and desperation make them highly exploitable
^yeah I guess I worded that as an absolute, which isn't accurate. My bad - I didn't mean to imply that those are all of or even most of the military, just a large enough chunk that it calls for considering the human angle on their end too. There are other shady factors that have nothing to do with class, either: the US military and the culture surrounding it are an insane propaganda machine, which does an amazing job of committing evil acts and slapping a veneer of some justification like service, defense, or patriotism.
Even when I was growing up, I was hell-bent on enlisting into the Marine Corps because it was (as I understood it at the time) a way to give back to my own country/community. Altruistic, honorable... it was the epitome of traits I looked up to. Murdering brown people for their oil? That wasn't even a factor in the thought process, cuz that's not what the military does, right? ...right? .......thank fucking god I started paying attention to current events closely enough to the whole story, global politics, etc before hitting 18. Realizing that the starry-eyed ideal I held about the military was absolute bullshit was legit heartbreaking.
Not everyone gets that "are we the baddies?" moment. Hell, if I had a different circle of friends in highschool, there's a solid chance that shit would have stayed over my head right up until signing that dotted line.
Would I have been right had I gone that route? Fuck no. Would the aforementioned brown people have been totally justified in blowing my brains out for invading their country? Absolutely. But I don't fault the thought process leading up to that, cuz teens are fucking idiots - people with good intentions can be tricked into doing evil things. They fucked up. IMO the best approach from there is to encourage them to make it right, and their oath makes a fantastic starting point for that: *point to my first post here*. They're sitting on a lot of potential.
Tollana1234567 1 point 3 days ago
the military targets low-income neighborhood, oftentimes pocs, which would where you find democrat voters. rural/red state do make up the majority of the armed forced. asians make a tiny amount.
Setiyeti93 16 points 5 days ago
You know.... In my worst moments....
I wonder if this ship will survive.
Just let me get my tinfoil hat for a moment.
If conditions are as bad as they say.... Then once back home there's going to be a lot of vocal seamen. What is the US government pulls a false flag and scuttles the ship with all the crew.
All of a sudden you've got a focal point to rally around, Iran (for example) looks more villainous and the gov has a bunch less angry sailors corroborating stories of what's going on aboard.
Tinfoil hat goes back in the drawer.
Setiyeti93 5 points 4 days ago
I know right
Last 10 things the CIA ADMITTED they did probably was less.... Out there
Ugh. I hate this timeline.
atomicbocks 6 points 5 days ago
I have no doubt that Miller and others like him in the administration could come up with that idea, but I have serious doubts they could pull it off without leaks.
Cethin 3 points 3 days ago
If it weren't a fucking aircraft carrier, maybe. However, we've got so few of them, and we're struggling with making new ones, that I don't think that's going to happen. It's not that I think Trump cares about the future of America, but someone down the chain probably does, and thinks we need these ships.
For Trump, he'd be the first president to lose a carrier since WWII I believe. He lose so much support from the pro-military side that he probably wouldn't do it. A smaller more replaceable ship would maybe get this treatment, but not a carrier.
Tollana1234567 4 points 3 days ago
hesgeth is too busy being drunk , and testing mens testosterone in his glamour room in the pentagon.
BussyGyatt 1 point 3 days ago
sailors arent storm troopers. they're more like the black pointy helmet guys that fire the big fuckoff laser
go to feed...
go to feed...
Those stormtroopers all swore an oath to defend the US from all enemies foreign and domestic.
They've been blindly following the domestic enemy's orders thus far, but going hungry is the kind of thing that motivates extreme measures.
So, this seems like the kind of thing we should leverage - so c'mon troops, do your job. Better late than never.
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