"Violence is never the answer" unless it is white people doing it

2 months ago by Spectre to c/memes

orca 31 points 2 months ago

You can identify the liberals in this thread because they dislike this, but can’t provide a single credible argument against it.

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Mrkawfee 3 points 2 months ago

I discovered that John Stuart Mill, the great liberal thinker, worked in the East India Company his whole life. There is no daylight between liberalism and colonial oppression.

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horus_son_of_isis 1 point 2 months ago

Against what? To say this meme is shit-tier is generous. I for one wish the Palestinians had been able to destroy Israel decades ago. I mean, Israeli soldiers only shoot children and old women in the back. They piss their pants and cry if anyone shoots back.

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Tomorrow_Farewell 1 point 2 months ago

To say this meme is shit-tier is generous.

The meme is in the right, which disqualifies it from this description.

What do you actually disagree with in this case?

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teagrrl 20 points 2 months ago

just gonna post the same comment I made last time this was posted:

the lemmyworlds and their orbiters are gonna be upset about this one

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goferking0 6 points 2 months ago

Can't forget the sjw users

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Hiro8811 18 points 2 months ago

Did you open a history book in your life? Violence is always the answer

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RiverRock 10 points 2 months ago

❌️ "Violence is morally bad"

❌️ "Violence is morally good"

✅️ "Morality isn't real and violence simply Is."

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Agent641 9 points 2 months ago

Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. The answer is "Yes"

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goferking0 8 points 2 months ago

Oh this also applies when pointing out Ukrainian attacks on world food supplies!

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RiverRock 3 points 2 months ago

They did what

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goferking0 8 points 2 months ago

https://quokk.au/comment/5587173

https://www.reuters.com/...

https://www.reuters.com/...

Russia is the world's ​largest wheat exporter and most of those exports are shipped via its Black Sea ​ports like Novorossiysk. Russia's main grain lobby group warned last month that Ukrainian ⁠drone attacks could shut down grain exports via the Black Sea in the near future, ​pushing up prices and causing hunger in Africa and the Middle East.

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tired_fedora -1 points 2 months ago

Ukraine is also a significant wheat exporter and invading it in a war of aggression didn't really help with that tbh:

Remember the wheat shortage in Northern Africa that almost turned into a famine in 2022... yeah. Maybe we should blame the side that started the war more than the side that is defending against an aggressor, even if the latter uses some shady tactics, like targeting non-military targets. It's not like the other side were above that.

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goferking0 6 points 2 months ago

It's still disgusting to see people celebrating more shortage and supply issues.

Along with those who instantly insult you when pointing out maybe food supply methods shouldn't be targeted in this day an age, especially when it's not what's feeding the country being fought.

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pr06lefs 3 points 2 months ago

Sad thing is that Ukraine wouldn't have gotten nearly as much support if it looked like they had no chance of winning, or at least resisting.

I think the diplomatic logic is what's the point in supporting a loser - your support doesn't change anything and when they lose you're on the winners shit list. If you support a winner then you may have a beneficial relationship in the future.

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 5 points 2 months ago

Ukraine never had a chance to win militarily, the plan was to strangle Russia by sanctions and it had the chance of succeeding, just the USA intelligence fucked up (not the first not last time, look: Iran) and did not noticed or underestimated Russia efforts to diversify its exports, and global south, mainly China and India, not wanting to be next ones on the US empire chopping block.

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mrdown 0 points 2 months ago

Ukraine was invaded, and Palestine was invaded so yeah both has the right to defend themselves

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Tomorrow_Farewell 3 points 2 months ago

What should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing weapons and troops on its border?

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mrdown -2 points 2 months ago

That's what Zionists said about Egypt. I they claimed an imminent threaten from the Egyptian army amassing in the borders

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Tomorrow_Farewell 3 points 2 months ago

When was Egypt both a part of NATO (the most prolific invader in the world), and also attempting to attack Pissrael on its behalf?

I am going to ask again - what should a state do in such a situation?

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mrdown -3 points 2 months ago

Egypt was never attempting to attack Israel, but I am just saying they created a fake excuse, having a base doesn't mean there will be an eminent attack. I believe in economical and diplomatic preasure until there is a real eminent threat

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edel 3 points 2 months ago

Why too simplistic:

Palestine got invaded, ethnically cleaned and massively murdered for decades.

Ukraine was cultural a divided country where West and Russia alike used one band or the other to rein power on the entire country. However in 2014 the West overstep the pro-West, pro-Russia alternation with a Coup. Immediately 1/3 of the country got itself completely disfranchised (no vote, no representation, no even could speak its language) and a civil war ensured and then even that 1/3 got without no pensions or services. The sad thing is that the coup was not even needed since Viktor Yanukovych was going to be voted out in just 11 months, but Washington was not having it and needed its coup to put the alternation to an end and be able to make its long-wished constitutional changes to Ukraine . The rest is history.

Russia is not saint here, not at all, but Russia did get invaded and massacred multiple times by the West and every single time through Ukraine... I think if Moscow have a bit if concern it is perfectly warranted. Ukraine should have done what Finland did in 1940s-2010s, side with the West but full warranties to Russia of being fully Neutral and away from NATO.

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mrdown 5 points 2 months ago

When Putin keep talking about how Ukraine is a artificial state and keep claiming that Ukrainians are just Russian by mentioning Kyivan Rus , I can't accept his claim that he is invading Ukraine for security reasons. Kyivan Rus was built in the 9th centuries, the ancestors of modern Ukrainians were distinct, indigenous tribes who had already built thriving settlements and founded the city of Kyiv by the 5th century.

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edel 8 points 2 months ago

Not a Putin fan, but that speech is taken out of context. He was making the point their history is very interlinked, and that it is hard to argue (Northern Ireland is indeniable Ireland, but its history is very related to UK so a compromise was made to maintain peace, can you imagine if Catholics forbid Protestants to vote there?) . Funny enough, most of Ukraine land was acquired/given to Ukraine while it was under some sort of Moscow's dominance. The original Ukraine was just a territorial fraction of what it is today. Ukraine should

Again, in the ideal world, Ukraine should have full autonomy to decide its future, but the Washington and Moscow alike did not like that. I am Ukrainian, would work for a neutrality formula. US does the same with Cuba and Venezuela and US has 0% chances of being invaded by Chine through any of those 2 countries.

What I do notice is the irrational hatred of thinking the other as sub-human... I saw that behavior far, far more in Ukrainians than I did with Russians (at least till 2024).

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mrdown -5 points 2 months ago

I watched the whole interview with Tucker , I i don't think it is out to context . I see no other interpretation to saying a country or state is artificial same to how israel call the west bank as Judea and Samaria and claim that Palestinians do not exists to justify what they do

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pinto -8 points 2 months ago
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Semi_Hemi_Demigod -1 points 2 months ago

Send both of them every tank in existence.

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RiverRock 20 points 2 months ago

It gets messier when you remember that the current government of Ukraine is an ally of the Zionist entity and is providing air defense expertise to the perpetrators of the Gaza genocide, as well as participating in America's aggression towards Iran. So while I understand the instinct, the unfortunate blunt reality is that these two sides are diametrically opposed.

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mrdown -2 points 2 months ago

Russia is also the ally of Israel

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NewDark -15 points 2 months ago

Do they have much of a choice while they're being invaded?

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RiverRock 21 points 2 months ago

Does that matter to the people the UKR military kills in Iran and helps kill in Palestine?

But no, the Ukranian people have not had a choice in anything since having their government surgically replaced in 2014, or for that matter since having their government illegally dissolved in 1991.

My point with this specific post, as an olive branch to people who may not be familiar with the communist position, is not "Ukraine bad" so much as "This is what eventually happens to every American 'ally' no matter what promises have been made to the contrary, and other countries had best take notice".

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NewDark 10 points 2 months ago

That's a position I respect. Yep.

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Cypher -7 points 2 months ago

Yes American promises are why Russia invaded despite being signatories to a treaty guaranteeing Ukrainian sovereignty.

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audrbox -7 points 2 months ago

I don't understand why tankies can't make the logical step from "governments of the west don't care about any peoples' sovereignty (despite justifying their war efforts with claims that they do) because ultimately they just serve whatever keeps them in power" to "no governments care about any peoples' sovereignty because ultimately they just serve whatever keeps them in power"

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mrdown 2 points 2 months ago

Ukraine support for Israel preceed the invasion and Israel did nothing to help Ukraine in contrary voted against UN, resolution condrmning Russia aggression and have zero sanctions on it

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NewDark -1 points 2 months ago

Basically all of Europe and the US supported Israel in some fashion pre-invasion. Skip the middle man and invade Israel instead then.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod -16 points 2 months ago

I'm not gonna get into this with a tankie

Make like June 4, 1989 and never happen

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davel 22 points 2 months ago

Literally no one denies that June 4, 1989 happened. What we disagree on is what happened.

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gualudengren 21 points 2 months ago

Make like June 4, 1989 and never happen

Nice strawman.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod -17 points 2 months ago

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the Firewall.

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RiverRock 20 points 2 months ago

It's that winning combination of perfectly ignorant and perfectly smug about it that makes you people so odious. Enjoy being on the Nazi side of World War 3 I suppose. Just don't say you weren't warned, because you're being warned right now.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod -21 points 2 months ago

Blah blah blah

Free Tibet.

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sushiatnight 15 points 2 months ago

Nice crashout.

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ordnance_qf_17_pounder 15 points 2 months ago
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SreudianFlip 1 point 2 months ago

Anarchists: "Let them fight."

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myszka -5 points 2 months ago

Doesn't really work like that. Russians are not less white than Ukrainians but their ultranationalist ideas are not nearly as supported in the West.

(Not saying Russian ultranationalism is better in any regard)

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 7 points 2 months ago

It does because whiteness is a social construct, Slavs were never considered white by anglos and germans ruling classes, they just get the temporary status when they lick the anglo/german boot and are used as cannon fodder against other Slavs.

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myszka 4 points 2 months ago

I like how Russia itself is now pushing the agenda of being completely different from western countries while culturally being obvisously European. Soviet culture does differ a whole lot from Capitalist culture of the time, but apart from that Russia is not much different from, say, Italy if you compare the two with Japan.

Also it's always made me laugh how the term "White" has nothing to do with actual whiteness. I remember being in shock when I learned Asians aren't considered to be white. Like have you seen Japanese or Korean people? They are whiter than many Europeans.

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protogen420 -6 points 2 months ago

genuine, where do .mls find antipalestenians in lemmy? I have never seen a single one here outside of blatant trolls whenever someone posts a meme like this

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gualudengren 24 points 2 months ago

Plenty of "pro-palestinians" around who condemn hamas and the rest of the resistance groups or call them terrorists etc.

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goferking0 16 points 2 months ago

There's a lot of them, but mostly it's the same troll users who only spit hasbara. Unfortunately they're also mods on a few large news comms (cough lemmy.world) and feddit instances

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mrdown 12 points 2 months ago

Not a tanki but most people here reject Palestinian right to defend themselves or defend the Zionist ideology or bring neutral towards it

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lps2 -2 points 2 months ago

Where? Of all places, lemmy certainly doesn't have folks defending zionists and even in western society at large you have public sentiment against Zionism (or at the very least, the west helping fund it)

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mrdown 3 points 2 months ago path: 0 25327565 25327604 25348200 25348684, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
diaphragmwp -6 points 2 months ago
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EmmiLime 16 points 2 months ago

Good job CIA agent, you might maybe take a high-interest loan for a run-down studio in 15 years at this rate.

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RiverRock 10 points 2 months ago

I don't get this joke, can you explain it?

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InvalidName2 -8 points 2 months ago

Loving this low effort controversy bait! LOVING IT. LOOOOOOOVE IT. NOT.

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davel 15 points 2 months ago

NOT.

1992 called; they want their sarcasm back.

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teagrrl 14 points 2 months ago

it's bait for the nazi sympathizers to reveal themselves so they can catch a ban

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pinto -7 points 2 months ago
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RiverRock 5 points 2 months ago

Nazism is when anti nazism

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