Stop the tracking circus. Kill the cookie banner!

a month ago by taco_shale032 to c/privacy

Tired of misleading cookie banners? The EU Commission has finally proposed a solution: set your privacy preferences in the browser once, and never see another banner. Unfortunately, the tracking industry is pushing back – and so far, they’ve been successful. We need YOUR help to #KillTheCookieBanner!

dreadbeef 50 points a month ago

The EU back when they were deciding GDPR decided not to use the browser's "do not track me". The W3C even tried to help them and during the making of GDPR a commission even recommended using DNT signals.

Capitalism and advertisers won of course and they decided not to follow DNT signals from the browser. Why will they change their mind this time?

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cheat700000007 6 points a month ago

Because it actually impacts themselves in a visible way

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moldy_rice 2 points a month ago

Maybe because before it was out of sight and out of mind. But now it's in all their constituents' faces, and we're annoyed

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slazer2au 39 points a month ago

I am in favour. Until then you can use consent-o-mattic to actively deny cookies instead of just hiding the element.

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GalacticGrapefruit 16 points a month ago

I was about to recommend Consent-O-Matic! Digi-gods bless Aarhus University and their compsci students for building something so wonderfully useful.

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huppakee 8 points a month ago path: 0 25754430 25757377, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
SirLeToet 21 points a month ago

I would wish the EU would be more strict in its laws. Cookiebanners are NOT required when you only use functional cookies that the website technically needs to work. I never had to show the banner for my websites, because I simply don't include 3rd party bullshit, no ads, no tracking.

Same with the new age rating rules, websites and communities that aim at CHILDREN are required to not be invasive when checking for age (ID checks are last fucking resorts!). If your website or community is obviously 18+, like porn, gore and such websites. There is no requirement for an age check!

Fuck the companies abusing our EU systems and that put the EU in a bad spotlight because of RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE social media ragebait.

Why the fuck is it socially acceptable for billion dollar (foreign!) tech companies to manipulate our children?

Why did we normalize getting our asses spied on? And why are we accepting the excuse of these tech companies to scan our ID's and passports?

The GDPR does not allow scanning of identity cards/passports except for a very limited section. Like: banks, your employer, your health insurance and your government. These tech companies are not on the GDPR VIP list.

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umbrella 21 points a month ago

it's all done with fingerprinting now anyway

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Squizzy 2 points a month ago

Time to find the most restrictive browser in terms of shared info

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umbrella 3 points a month ago

tor.

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Squizzy 1 point a month ago

Isnt that like a whole other network though. Its own domains and browsers unreachable by traditional browsers

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umbrella 2 points a month ago

you can access the regular clearnet through tor.

every tor browser is standardized therefore resistant to fingerprinting, plus you get a different IP every time.

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catdog 1 point a month ago

Share nonsense and periodically change it. Restrictions are a fingerprint itself.

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_MadBits 13 points a month ago

For the past 10 years or so tracking is done with hardware fingerprinting anyways. Cookies are of the past.

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Skasi 13 points a month ago

I understand the argument, but afaik the laws that made poeple create cookie banners do not really care whether it's a cookie or some other identification. Consent has to be granted for any sort of tracking.

However, as far as I understand, at least in some parts of the world, this is only true for 3rd party tracking solutions. So long as people can't be identified and everything stays with your own host, consent would legally be unnecessary anyway.

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blackbeans 20 points a month ago

More accurately, there has never been a EU law that forced people to create cookie banners.

The EU law required websites to have the users' consent to use personal data and tracking. The law never even mentioned the word "banner" but this is what the industry chose as a solution.

Furthermore consent is not needed for functional cookies. So all websites that enforce cookie banners upon users do really use tracking/data sharing or their partners (such as Google Analytics) do.

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_MadBits 2 points a month ago

I am not against cookie banners, I own a few web apps and each of them have proper configurable cookie settings (including the banner).

All I am saying is that most companies (especially one's that do not reside in EU) do not care and will track you across websites by fingerprinting your hardware when visiting their website. Some do not even use cookies at all.

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grue 2 points a month ago

I own a few web apps and each of them have proper configurable cookie settings (including the banner).

Configurable cookie settings are not "proper." Unconfigurable eschewing of not-strictly-functional cookies is "proper."

Don't delude yourself into thinking your malicious compliance is "proper!"

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_MadBits 2 points a month ago

My web apps lack any telemetry, the only cookies that get set are for sessions, users settings and various redux like storage on client side which can be opted out. It's more than proper. :)

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yes_this_time 4 points a month ago

Genuinely curious, why can't browsers add some (non meaningful to users) jitter to values used in fingerprints such that fingerprints become random for a single user?

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dubs 6 points a month ago

They totally can. They just don't really care, because they are mostly funded by advertisers.

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SnotFlickerman 2 points a month ago

And technically since very few people do such things, they are usually fairly obviously not the real details and the faked details end up being unique enough to just dump you into the "hates advertising" ad bucket which just means they try (and often succeed) at marketing to you through other means.

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grue 1 point a month ago

Laws don't care about technical 'gotchas'. If the law says tracking is illegal, it's illegal whether it relies on cookies, fingerprinting, magic pixie dust, or literally any other applied phlebotinum you could possibly think of. It simply does not matter what the means are if the intent is to track.

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_MadBits 1 point a month ago

That's not how the industry works.

Also, here, fixed your statement for you: Privacy laws generally don't let you evade a restriction simply by changing the technical mechanism used to achieve the same tracking or identification. Whether something is a cookie, fingerprint, local-storage identifier, or another technique is often less important than what the technique does and what legal rule applies to that activity. However, the mechanism can still matter because different laws and provisions regulate different technical activities, and lawful tracking is not necessarily prohibited merely because its purpose is to track.

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moldy_rice -2 points a month ago

Hardware fingerprinting doesn't work very well when the hash changes significantly when your battery charge changes one percent.

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boonhet 6 points a month ago

Which hash exactly? They don't have to include your battery percentage if they don't want it.

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_MadBits 2 points a month ago

First of all, you're the one to choose what you're fingerprinting for, and if you include the battery or such changing factors maybe you should rethink your career as an engineer.

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kehet 11 points a month ago

I hope this becomes mandatory, I think DNT failed because it wasn't

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lime 8 points a month ago

dnt failed because it relied on you sending more information to sites you visited.

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blackbrook 4 points a month ago

Why just email one? It would be nice if they gave you a comma separated list of them all...

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Fmstrat 3 points a month ago

Woa, fun to see this on Lemmy. I've got an IETF draft out and am working with some people on an option to solve this (including a major cookie banner provider).

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yxc999 0 points a month ago

Well I mean I support the message, but please pay an artist instead of using these ugly AI generated images.

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taco_shale032 2 points a month ago

What AI generated images are you talking about?

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yxc999 0 points a month ago

First image: why is she typing on the edges of the keyboard, why is the keyboard just one rectangle, why is the trackpad split in two

Second image: the server is the most unsymmetrical thing I have ever seen and her hands don't make sense

Third image: the guy is just holding the sign with his wrist, not with his hand and the sign itself is so straight it looks photoshopped in. Well or just placed in by an AI. Also, the backglow of the sign appears behind the people, not behind the sign

Fourth image: the guy had five fingers on the megaphone, the woman only has four. The woman has five fingers on the paper, the guy has a crab hand

This is some mayor fucking AI slop.

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taco_shale032 0 points a month ago

I could be wrong but I don’t believe the art is generated and I’d say I’m pretty good at spotting that type of content.

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