Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening as you go about your day — but Apple may be risking a Meta Glasses-style backlash
a month ago by fusspilz to c/technology
Corporations are allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want. There might be a few tiny consequences 10-20 years later that shaves a couple months of profit down, but that is just the cost of business and massive profits for the rest of the time.
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Just like all these AI companies tracking people, totally illegal and gross violation of privacy but the government could give a rip.
You break a law? Go straight to jail!
Corporation breaks a law? Ohhh well!
Not every country or country subdivision has two party consent. Canada is a one party consent legislation.
I'm guessing they'll put the responsibility on the user to only activate it when it has the consent of people around it or something...
Won’t exist there
They can disable it based on geolocation, or like others said, put the onus on the user to know best.
The question was not "what countries do not have two party consent?" The question was "how does this not violate two party consent?"
It violates it
There is probably some technicality in that since it doesn’t record audio, but rather just keeps a transcription - that it might not fall afoul of two-party consent?
It probably wouldn’t meet the strict legal definition, as no copy (physical or digital) is left behind for any period of time - as RAM is volatile and its contents disappear on power cycle.
Surveillance capitalism fucking sucks. Can we all go back to the 90's or early 2000's?
The worst thing about this is how ubiquitous Apple watches are. Now everybody who has one is going to have people suspecting them of being unwitting surveillance meat drones.
I have an older smart watch and it's starting to get a little tired, I'll be replacing it with an actual watch that only tells the time and date, so sick of all smart things
Just did this myself. I had a collection of regular watches that I went back to and I’m loving it.
I also just bought a DAP for music and already have an XTEink X4 ereader. Slowly moving to get rid of a mart phone all together.
Same here! I've been moving away from all-in-one tech to devices that only do one thing and do it well, usually with wires lol. Wired headphones in a DAP (Hi-Fi Walker) that I also plug into the car, old Sony e-reader that still holds a battery charge for a month, analogue watches, disconnected TVs, pen and paper notebooks, etc. I plug in when I can and avoid bluetooth.
It's interesting, I've since changed my behaviour from buying the flashiest, coolest-looking items to focus on how well they work over how they look. Function over form. Sure, my things are less flashy and uglier, but I see a real charm to them now. It's also driven me to retro-tech and loving using things that get worn looking and used.
I use wall clocks and computers. Haven't worn a watch in forever.
Man, my work is going to ban apple watches so fast based on this.
How many times has Strava leaked secret military base coordinates?
But add an always-listening AI assistant into the mix who's taking notes on your day-to-day, including your conversations with others who may not know they're being surveilled, and suddenly Apple's latest handy feature starts to look a lot creepier. Apple's other big new Audio Intelligence feature for watches is Live Rewind, which can produce a transcript of the last 15 seconds of audio on your watch face — whether a wake word was said, or not.
You can't trust any corporation to keep your data safe and local. They lie about not sending it elsewhere, and even when they don't, all it takes is one security breech, which every company has all the damn time.
Ok, but prior to this, the listening thing was at least a separate device. Now it can be a watch or sun glasses or your tv...
Yes and no company has ever broken its promise or gotten hacked. Nothing stays safe forever. As soon as some AI company makes a future deal for that data your privacy does not matter. Apples been caught before violating privacy laws.
Plus is doesn’t store the audio nor an infinite log. It just continuously stores the last 15 seconds to my understanding. Meaning, what was said and transcribed 30 seconds ago is no longer accessible.
The Live Audio is only 15 seconds before it is overwritten. The Transcribe is 7 days before it is overwritten.
It’s pretty much the expected response when talking about Apple on here. No one cares for actual discussion and nuance.
Considering the amount of Apple devices in the wild, I guess what I talk physically to people will be mostly recorded then, not to mention that Google assistant or smth like that maybe doing the same, what a Brave New World.
It isn't enough to be privacy conscious. Now the spying follows you anywhere you have contact with other people
You’ve been able to just record audio with a watch forever now I don’t see how this is significantly worse than that.
Because I can tell it to record what I want when I want, not let it listen all the time. This fucking thing is a shackle now.
Keeping a transcript is definitely new behavior. Siri didn't keep 7 days of anything.
The comment I replied to said it was different from recording audio because when recording, they can tell it when to record instead of listening all the time, so that’s the only part I’m arguing with.
In this regard nothing changed:
- You can still tell it when to record, because you can turn the feature off
- If you didn’t turn off other Siri features before, it was already listening all the time
I feel like half this thread doesn’t understand what their devices are doing. Latching on to a new way in which it can record all the time, while dismissing all the existing ways it can already record all the time. How are you going to protect yourself from anything if you can only recognize this when there’s something like a transcript that you can see that makes it super obvious? Most people here are probably already carrying two or three devices around that can record them but just don’t produce a transcript.
Because just recording audio is illegal in two-party consent states. This may or may not be illegal, depending on how judges interpret "recording" vs AI transcriptions of ephemeral recordings.
Additionally, even in one-party consent states, doing that is creepy and weird. This makes it even easier for weirdos to be creepy and weird. It also sends the audio to a cloud platform to perform the AI transcription. That is new.
I’d err on the side of it being illegal in two consent states as well but I agree that hasn’t been litigated yet and there’s lots of bought and paid for judges.
It doesn’t actually send the audio to apple though, according to them it’s sent to the phone, transcribed and “condensed” there with that condensed transcription and some context being what is sent to their servers for summarizing.
https://www.privacyguides.org/...
"Siri Recap, the most interesting of the new features, stores a high-level summary of conversations throughout your day. The raw audio never leaves the Secure Exclave, but a condensed transcript of it is generated on-device and then sent encrypted to Apple's servers running Private Cloud Compute, the same technology that powers their cloud AI features.
The claim is that Apple can't access data sent to PCC, but the way the technology works at some point the data must be decrypted in order to be processed. This makes it distinctly less secure than purely on-device processing. Data is included about context like whether the speech was from a song, whether you were at an event based on your calendar data, and even some location information like your city, state, and country.
The summary is then sent back to your phone, encrypted, where it will be stored for 7 days unless you choose to save them."
Yes that’s basically what I said
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