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Mordikan 133 points 25 days ago

Denuvo's CEO (I think it was) tried to explain that it couldn't impact performance, but that's basically impossible. They are pushing parts of the game through a VM and doing encryption/decryption on the fly. That's going to generate significant overhead. Whether it were to get pushed to GPU over CPU, blah blah, their DRM is still adding additional hoops for the machine to jump through.

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Cethin 35 points 25 days ago

Even if it were incredibly straightforward and performant, it's still impossible to add no overhead. Is the process doing something? Ok, then something else has to not happen in that time

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Liz 3 points 24 days ago

That's not strictly true, since your frame rate could be either CPU or GPU limited. If your process is light and running on the thing that has compute to spare, well then it's running on "free" compute time.

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Cethin 3 points 24 days ago

I guess, but it isn't shifting between GPU or CPU depending on what's free. It might happen to not have a significant effect (heat is still an effect), but doesn't know.

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Liz 1 point 23 days ago

No I'm just saying that, as a concept, it's fair to say you can add a background process without impacting game performance. I'm not at all saying that's what is happening here, it's obviously not. Generally speaking, if your game isn't hitting the maximum refresh rate on your screen, it's probably GPU limited, but there can be games that are CPU limited, like flight simulators. It seems like this process is adding so much to the stack that it's got a huge effect.

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TemplaerDude 14 points 24 days ago

So he lied.

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dalekcaan 10 points 24 days ago

Do you really think a CEO would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

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athatet 5 points 24 days ago

No. I don’t think they would lie JUST on the internet. I think they would also do it in real life.

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Hazzard 9 points 24 days ago

This just in: Doing something takes longer than not doing that thing. Only Denuvo stupid enough to act surprised.

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Mordikan 4 points 24 days ago

Denuvo CEO: "Well, actually, it makes things faster. We streamline the process through several other processes to output the same result. We like to think of it as a fun multiplier. That's how Denuvo math works here."

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halcyoncmdr 73 points 25 days ago

This isn't news to anyone that's paid attention over the years. Nearly every game that had Denuvo and removed it sees a measurable performance bump. Way more than what general optimizations would do, despite what the developer/publisher and the online propaganda repeaters always claim.

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Bluegrass_Addict 46 points 25 days ago

why even bother playing aaa trash. it's garbage even without the performance of crippling junk they throw in

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NuanceDemon 40 points 25 days ago

I mean people play what they enjoy and not everybody cares about chasing frames.

Denuvo making games run worse is fucking garbage, but two things can be true at once.

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warm 9 points 25 days ago

We would have much better games overall if people actually had a lick of restraint.

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NuanceDemon -1 points 25 days ago

Unlikely, most gamers are kids, most kids are totally agnostic to anything beyond the consumption of games.

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warm 16 points 25 days ago

That's just false. Most gamers are adults and if we narrow that to just PC, you will find the average age is over 30.

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Tattatta 28 points 24 days ago

""""It does not affect performance""""

- commented by many shills all over the internet

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phoenixz 6 points 24 days ago

Which is obvious bullshit

Any additionally software and or layers will affect performance, be it by a few clock cycles to 100%, but some performance will be lost; its just a matter of how much. Its the same with a car; every piece you add to it will increase weight and decrease performance.

Saying its 0 is automatically bullshit and in this case its an outright lie

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Souvenir 26 points 25 days ago
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M137 25 points 25 days ago

"What do y'all make of this?"

No surprise at all, it's well known that Denuvo has a major performance impact.

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sp3ctr4l 22 points 24 days ago

Corporate malware is corporate malware.

Water is wet.

Things tend to fall downward.

-yawn-

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warm 19 points 25 days ago

How has Denuvo even managed to convince the AAA market to purchase it's products when they are cracked almost immediately anyway?

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halcyoncmdr 33 points 25 days ago

Because not having a DRM solution makes shareholders nervous. So a pointless system that actively makes the game worse, is a positive still.

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warm 20 points 25 days ago

Always the damn shareholders

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Geologist 17 points 25 days ago

Most games make the largest amount during the first week or two, so if it takes longer then that for someone to crack it, then it was probably worth it to the publishers. I don’t follow all the denovo news, so maybe with the new hypervisor stuff this is a moot point, but most games haven’t been cracked immediately.

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muhyb 13 points 25 days ago

Did Ubisoft actually remove Denuvo from a game or is this some cracked version?

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barooboodoo 6 points 25 days ago

I haven't had time to look into it so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe it was like a test version of the game that leaked? Someone please weigh in if they know better.

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muhyb 3 points 25 days ago

Ah, that's fine. I just wondered if they removed it themselves because if so that would be first, as far as I know they never removed Denuvo from their games before.

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Matty_r 6 points 25 days ago

Cracked

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huquad 10 points 25 days ago

Isn't this a single player game too?

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halcyoncmdr 12 points 25 days ago

Yeah. Denuvo is DRM, not anti-cheat.

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gankouskhan 3 points 25 days ago

I don't think they mean they want to cheat, just that they would expect a single player game to be offline entirely and maybe a dose of "fuck you I bought this it's mine". Could be wrong tho

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halcyoncmdr 2 points 25 days ago

I was thinking along the lines of wondering why a single player game would need anti-cheat.

Required online check-ins and similar were a thing before Denuvo came on the scene, so I didn't even consider that aspect. Especially since the online portion of Denuvo is secondary to the encryption crap.

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huquad 2 points 25 days ago

Yes that's my point. The performance impacts are especially egregious considering it's not even anti cheat.

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brax 1 point 24 days ago

anti-cheat

Aren't those all rootkits?

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Mwa 6 points 24 days ago

i dont buy video games that uses Denuvo (and maybe from companies that use it too)
i dont want that malware on my PC

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Joejoe582 3 points 23 days ago

I've seen other comparisons that found little difference between RUNE cracked version and the official Ubisoft version with Denuvo.

This comparison is between RUNE and voices38, so the only thing you can infer from this is that voices38 crack is worse than the Ubisoft version.

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barooboodoo 0 points 23 days ago

Would you mind sharing those comparisons?

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Joejoe582 3 points 22 days ago path: 0 25950638 25961211 25964417, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0

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